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30 Apr 2007, 2:14 pm

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How can I be 43% ADHD though, when I only kind of match two of the roughly ten criteria?


3 + 2(1/2) = 4 /7 ASD 3/7 ADHD
57% ASD 43% ADHD

I guess it depends on how I compute maybe this would be better.

4/11 ASD 3/11 ADHD 4/11 Uncertainity.

36% ASD 28% ADHD 36% Uncertain



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30 Apr 2007, 2:16 pm

Yeah, but I mean I seem to fit AS really well, and ADHD not at all, but the test makes it look like they're almost even.



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30 Apr 2007, 2:24 pm

If I talk enough I can usually not get my point across. Ah crap how true is that?
Unless completely thought out to my standard of perfect, blah blah.

Where are the .2's and .5's? I have many questions where I'm not "somewhere in the middle" I'm "occasionally does b but normally does a." See this is what nags me about tests and screening tools. Sometimes in my mind 3 plus 3 equals 6 and sometimes it equals a picture of a hamburger.

With this aside..

a=5
b=1
c=5



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30 Apr 2007, 2:35 pm

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Yeah, but I mean I seem to fit AS really well, and ADHD not at all, but the test makes it look like they're almost even.


Yeah no test is as good as your own observation. Though how well do you understand the criteria of both ASD and ADHD? What is your personality type?

INTP INFP (more ADHDish) INTJ INFJ (more ASDish)

If your ***J that tends to make me think your right and my test is major flawed :)



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30 Apr 2007, 2:45 pm

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If your ***J that tends to make me think your right and my test is major flawed :)


Because INTJ ARE the epitome of ASD.
Go us!



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30 Apr 2007, 2:45 pm

I'm INFJ. We had to take it for work, and everyone was surprised that I was an F rather than a T, since I think they think I'm cold since I don't talk to anyone.



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30 Apr 2007, 2:47 pm

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TheMachine1 wrote:
If your ***J that tends to make me think your right and my test is major flawed :)


Because INTJ ARE the epitome of ASD.
Go us!


*N*P is highly associated with ADHD.

INTP and INTJ are the two major personality types assocaited with ASD. So those with
INTP will be more ADHDish. (oh I'm INFP).

Oh one simple thing that my test does not do is ask precise questions related to ADHD or ASD all the questions are designed to address factors that ADHD and ASD have very
different outcomes in.



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30 Apr 2007, 2:50 pm

Wolfpup wrote:
I'm INFJ. We had to take it for work, and everyone was surprised that I was an F rather than a T, since I think they think I'm cold since I don't talk to anyone.


I think its the idea that a lot of F's are very undeveloped in much other aspects than their F function. A properly developed F like INFP or INFJ can be just as incredible and bright. The fact that they can use their heart, can see others point of view from an emotional level is such a good talent. F's are NOT stupid, just a lot of them are irrational and don't make sense to those who are T extremists.

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*N*P is highly associated with ADHD.

INTP and INTJ are the two major personality types assocaited with ASD. So those with
INTP will be more ADHDish. (oh I'm INFP).


I can definitely see the collation between *N*P and ADHD, it really doesn't take a genius to see how they'd be a bit scatter brained. ( not always in the bad way either. :D I love most INTP's, the idea's they come up with that I can pursue and play with. Its fantastic. )

Damn typo's.



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30 Apr 2007, 2:57 pm

Well I'm not stupid, I just feel some things very strongly. If anything I'm probably "emotionally ret*d" though (I just made that term up :D )



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30 Apr 2007, 3:06 pm

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Well I'm not stupid, I just feel some things very strongly. If anything I'm probably "emotionally ret*d" though (I just made that term up :D )


Didn't mean stupid, I fixed it now. I meant not stupid. Surely there are some dumb INFJ's and as godly as I'd like to think all INTJ's are the likelihood of there being some pretty dense one's out there is equally just as high.


Nevertheless, I guess my ratio is void. :D



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30 Apr 2007, 9:49 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
Wolfpup wrote:
Yeah, but I mean I seem to fit AS really well, and ADHD not at all, but the test makes it look like they're almost even.


Yeah no test is as good as your own observation. Though how well do you understand the criteria of both ASD and ADHD? What is your personality type?

INTP INFP (more ADHDish) INTJ INFJ (more ASDish)

If your ***J that tends to make me think your right and my test is major flawed :)


I'm INTJ myself.



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01 May 2007, 12:01 am

MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
Wolfpup wrote:
Yeah, but I mean I seem to fit AS really well, and ADHD not at all, but the test makes it look like they're almost even.


Yeah no test is as good as your own observation. Though how well do you understand the criteria of both ASD and ADHD? What is your personality type?

INTP INFP (more ADHDish) INTJ INFJ (more ASDish)

If your ***J that tends to make me think your right and my test is major flawed :)


I'm INTJ myself.


Yes and others who have scored about 50% ADHD also are ***J's so I'm still trying to ponder that.



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01 May 2007, 1:12 am

1. a
2. b
3. c
4. a
5. a
6. c
7. c
8. d
9. b
10. a
11. c


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01 May 2007, 1:17 am

I am an INTJ. But I got 82% ASD.



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01 May 2007, 1:27 am

Avian wrote:
1. a
2. b
3. c
4. a
5. a
6. c
7. c
8. d
9. b
10. a
11. c


a = 4
b = 2
c = 4
d = 1

ASD = ( 4 + 4(1/2))/11 = 55%
ADHD = (2 + 4(1/2)/11 = 36%
Uncertain = 9%




Graelwyn wrote:
I am an INTJ. But I got 82% ASD.


Yeah intuitively that what I would expect.

Quote:
1: Brain Cogn. 2006 Jun;61(1):25-39. Epub 2006 May 6.
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Executive function deficits in autism spectrum disorders and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: examining profiles across domains and ages.
Happe F, Booth R, Charlton R, Hughes C.

MRC Social, Genetic and Developmental Psychiatry Centre, Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London, UK. [email protected]

Deficits in 'executive function' (EF) are characteristic of several clinical disorders, most notably Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). In this study, age- and IQ-matched groups with ASD, ADHD, or typical development (TD) were compared on a battery of EF tasks tapping three core domains: response selection/inhibition, flexibility, and planning/working memory. Relations between EF, age and everyday difficulties (rated by parents and teachers) were also examined. Both clinical groups showed significant EF impairments compared with TD peers. The ADHD group showed greater inhibitory problems on a Go-no-Go task, while the ASD group was significantly worse on response selection/monitoring in a cognitive estimates task. Age-related improvements were clearer in ASD and TD than in ADHD. At older (but not younger) ages, the ASD group outperformed the ADHD group, performing as well as the TD group on many EF measures. EF scores were related to specific aspects of communicative and social adaptation, and negatively correlated with hyperactivity in ASD and TD. Within the present groups, the overall findings suggested less severe and persistent EF deficits in ASD (including Asperger Syndrome) than in ADHD.

PMID: 16682102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


I need to ask people ages and get some questions to measure EF.



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01 May 2007, 7:55 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

Yes and others who have scored about 50% ADHD also are ***J's so I'm still trying to ponder that.


An INTJ is a self assured analyst and judge. Unlike others they don't NEED clarity or validity for their judgments (unless seen absolute necessary) they are built to observe, connect, judge. Because they are constantly gathering information, making associations and putting them to use or concluding their use they quickly dismiss things that are not necessary in the 'grand scheme of life.' An INTJ is always open to new idea's theories and concepts, in the sense that they will learn everything possible about the object, idea, theory or what have you and tear it apart completely to see how it works, if it works, or just for curiosity sake which is usually because they want to know the secrets of said idea, how it works, ect. Thus with AS these new idea's or, obsessions can come and go in a flash. Take for example an obsession with a character from a book, you'll completely decomposed the character, learn everything there is to know, realize and conclude that the character has absolutely nothing to give to you in your world of concepts and idea's and just as quickly disregard it a move on to something new.

It isn't as much of an attention span problem as it is egocentricity. If it doesn't do anything for anything you have an idea of, or anything pertained to your world, your idea's, its useless and time to move on. (of course minutia is a HUGE thing for INTJ's when stressed. This is actually where INTJ's normally hold on to their petty little obsession SO STRONG that it can sometimes become lethal.)

They are very future oriented with great ideals on what could be, what might be, and have an incredible knack on making these 'coulds' and 'mights' reality with applying some obscene abstraction that make most people go "what the f**k was that and how the hell did they make it work?" With this a lot of INTJ's (including myself because I was SO SOOOO self assured that I was godly and incredible and everyone else was incompetent buffoons) will overlook a good amount of important details because they are so driven to come to the end of things. This happens a lot in mathematics, they know the answer but they got the answer their own way rather than the typical formula that's on the paper for them. In writing, I often KNOW the ending and have to build towards it. Ect.