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Should people be allowed to sleep on the table in the restaurants
Yes 21%  21%  [ 11 ]
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Eller
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06 May 2007, 4:07 pm

Why don't you sleep at home anyway? This discussion is weird.



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06 May 2007, 4:28 pm

Eller wrote:
Why don't you sleep at home anyway? This discussion is weird.


I do sleep at home. But I study till very late and hten put alarm clock very early in order to get most done, and this keeps me sleepy. No I don't sleep in restaurants ever since I was told not to but it is a bit inconvenient because once I sit for a long period of time I would start falling asleep so I have to wake myself up by going to the bathroom just because it would be an excuse to walk around in order to wake myself up.

Anyway, even if I did find a way to be wide awake during the day, I still object to it OUT OF PRINCIPLE. I believe that the policy about not sleeping in a restaurant is very similar to the way NT-s treat aspies. Just like aspies do no harm to society other than the fact that htey are "different", in the same way people who sleep in restaurants do no harm other than they are "different".

And also some of you were saying that it is not discrimination to not allow you to sleep because it is what you DO as opposed to who you are. This line of argument would open a door to all kind of discrimination against aspies because then people can argue that htey don't discriminate them for BEING aspies but rather htey discriminate them for DOING X, Y and Z even though X, Y and Z happened to be symptoms of Asperger. In fact I don't remember a single time in my entire life when soemone were not liking me because I have asperger; it was always because I DO certain things and these things HAPPENED to be symptoms of Asperger.

And when I am talking about symptoms of Asperger I am talking about the ones harmless to society, just like sleeping in restaurants is. So, as aspies, don't you guys see the similarity betwen the two? Well even if you tell me that sleeping in restaurant is not a symptom of Asperger, well in a sense it is. After all, it is part of Asperger that I couldn't organise myself well enough to have enough accomplished during the day. I agree that it is not a clear cut aspie trait. But is there anything else that is? Every single simptom of Asperger, if singled out on its own, can be argued as "bad behavior" that is unrelated to it. So the root of the problem is NOT whether or not society can ISOLATE aspie traits and be tolerant JUST about them (there is no line to draw is there), but rather can society be tolerant in general about behaviors that are "unusual" but harmless.



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06 May 2007, 4:37 pm

Roman wrote:
Eller wrote:
Why don't you sleep at home anyway? This discussion is weird.


I do sleep at home. But I study till very late and hten put alarm clock very early in order to get most done, and this keeps me sleepy. No I don't sleep in restaurants ever since I was told not to but it is a bit inconvenient because once I sit for a long period of time I would start falling asleep so I have to wake myself up by going to the bathroom just because it would be an excuse to walk around in order to wake myself up.

Anyway, even if I did find a way to be wide awake during the day, I still object to it OUT OF PRINCIPLE. I believe that the policy about not sleeping in a restaurant is very similar to the way NT-s treat aspies. Just like aspies do no harm to society other than the fact that htey are "different", in the same way people who sleep in restaurants do no harm other than they are "different".

And also some of you were saying that it is not discrimination to not allow you to sleep because it is what you DO as opposed to who you are. This line of argument would open a door to all kind of discrimination against aspies because then people can argue that htey don't discriminate them for BEING aspies but rather htey discriminate them for DOING X, Y and Z even though X, Y and Z happened to be symptoms of Asperger. In fact I don't remember a single time in my entire life when soemone were not liking me because I have asperger; it was always because I DO certain things and these things HAPPENED to be symptoms of Asperger.

And when I am talking about symptoms of Asperger I am talking about the ones harmless to society, just like sleeping in restaurants is. So, as aspies, don't you guys see the similarity betwen the two? Well even if you tell me that sleeping in restaurant is not a symptom of Asperger, well in a sense it is. After all, it is part of Asperger that I couldn't organise myself well enough to have enough accomplished during the day. I agree that it is not a clear cut aspie trait. But is there anything else that is? Every single simptom of Asperger, if singled out on its own, can be argued as "bad behavior" that is unrelated to it. So the root of the problem is NOT whether or not society can ISOLATE aspie traits and be tolerant JUST about them (there is no line to draw is there), but rather can society be tolerant in general about behaviors that are "unusual" but harmless.


I only see incoherent, pissed-off babble. You would'nt want to be wide awake during the day?! Look, if we all acted like YOU are right now, I'd say we deserve discrimination. Just follow the societal rules, and I'm sorry they don't revolve around you. Don't like it? Open your own restaurant, and let people sleep. See how long you stay in business. And TRY STUDYING INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME HERE!


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06 May 2007, 4:41 pm

Why should they care if you have Asperger's, or black, or a Catholic, or anything? They are in the business of selling people food.

If what I was doing was disruptive to their business they'd either tell me not to do it or, if it was serious enough, throw me out. At the end of the day, it's their property. If you were in my house and you were doing something I didn't like I could either tell you to stop or demand that you leave. You have no case and you seem to think that only you matters.

Anyway, I'm sick of arguing about this. You aren't going to convince anyone. If you were a greater person you'd realise and learn from your mistakes. It's painful but we all have to do it.

Like the last poster said... I thought you were supposed to be studying? Do that. Or have a drink. Just let it lie.



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06 May 2007, 10:11 pm

Eller wrote:
Why don't you sleep at home anyway? This discussion is weird.


Your home is your castle right?

That's why humanity is dictated by its lowest...one "genius" is never worth more than ninety nine "morons". Idiocy is no worse than apathy. Society is a beautiful menagerie of a moronic mess that measures “genius” in the moronic majority.

People think that what's "theirs" is really “theirs” so they can dictate its meaning and exclusiveness until the mob (i.e., government) takes it away from them: then they're suddenly victims….

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07 May 2007, 5:19 am

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I am a graduate student in physics and I often study in restaurants. Due to the fact that I am sleep deprived as a result of studying so many nights, sometimes I have to sleep on a table for a while before continuing reading. Everyone gets mad at me when i sleep on the table and I have no idea why. I know it has nothing to do with keeping others from using the table -- after all it is okay if I *study* for many hours straight, the only thing that is not okay is if I sleep, even for 10 minutes. Does anyone have any ideas of why is it so wrong? And do you think people should be more tolerant?


Zzzzzz.... Zzzzzz....

Eh? Oh,sorry Roman,I wasn't really interested in this topic but I just thought this would be a
nice thread to come in and have a little nap. Excuse me.

Zzzzzz...


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07 May 2007, 10:00 am

TruenoBlues wrote:
I only see incoherent, pissed-off babble. You would'nt want to be wide awake during the day?!


I do. But sometimes I can't help when I feel like I have to finish something before going to bed which forces me to go to bed really late.

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Just follow the societal rules!


But Asperger is about not knowing social rules.

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and I'm sorry they don't revolve around you.


I never said I should be the only person allowed to sleep in restaurants. I said htat everyone should be allowed to do that.

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Don't like it? Open your own restaurant, and let people sleep. See how long you stay in business.


Why would it get restaurant out of business. If someone could answer THAT then I would understand why they don't allow sleeping. But that is the one thing I don't see, I simply don't know how sleeping in restaurant would affect their business.



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07 May 2007, 10:02 am

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Why should they care if you have Asperger's, or black, or a Catholic, or anything? They are in the business of selling people food..


Yes, and I bought food. I first ordered food and then I stareted to sleep. So how do I hurt their business?

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If what I was doing was disruptive to their business they'd either tell me not to do it or, if it was serious enough, throw me out.


How is sleeping disrupts their business?



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07 May 2007, 10:03 am

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Zzzzzz.... Zzzzzz....

Eh? Oh,sorry Roman,I wasn't really interested in this topic but I just thought this would be a
nice thread to come in and have a little nap. Excuse me.

Zzzzzz...


Okay this analogy would of worked if I didn't order any food. BUT I DID! I ordered plenty of food and then fell asleep.



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07 May 2007, 11:48 am

Roman wrote:
pluto wrote:

Zzzzzz.... Zzzzzz....

Eh? Oh,sorry Roman,I wasn't really interested in this topic but I just thought this would be a
nice thread to come in and have a little nap. Excuse me.

Zzzzzz...


Okay this analogy would of worked if I didn't order any food. BUT I DID! I ordered plenty of food and then fell asleep.


Just go home to sleep. End of discussion. And go study now!


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07 May 2007, 12:26 pm

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You don't have to understand the rules. You do have to follow them. Your inability to appreciate why the rules are as they are will not make them change to suit you better.



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07 May 2007, 12:36 pm

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You don't have to understand the rules. You do have to follow them. Your inability to appreciate why the rules are as they are will not make them change to suit you better.

YES!! !! !! !!


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07 May 2007, 12:46 pm

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But Asperger is about not knowing social rules.


I have to disagree. Maybe Asperger is about not instinctively knowing or understanding social rules, but it's NOT about knowing perfectly well what the rules in a certain place are and consciously deciding to ignore them. If you don't even make the effort to behave appropriately, it's NOT discrimination if someone throws you out. You can't excuse everything with Asperger.



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07 May 2007, 2:08 pm

Eller wrote:
Roman wrote:
But Asperger is about not knowing social rules.


I have to disagree. Maybe Asperger is about not instinctively knowing or understanding social rules, but it's NOT about knowing perfectly well what the rules in a certain place are and consciously deciding to ignore them. If you don't even make the effort to behave appropriately, it's NOT discrimination if someone throws you out. You can't excuse everything with Asperger.


Quite. If you know what the rules are and you then decide to ignore them that's you being a dick.



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07 May 2007, 2:10 pm

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How is sleeping disrupts their business?


They see it as disrupting their business. And I'd be inclined to agree with them. They run it, so what they say goes. If you can't accept that then that's your problem, not theirs.



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07 May 2007, 2:10 pm

Maybe you should change your major if it requires sleeping on public tables.

I'm a graduate student also, and my major allows me plenty of time to post-whore on WrongPlanet.