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13 May 2007, 10:13 am

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Ignorance is bliss, but I still wouldn't want to be ignorant.


Isn't that a paradox?

No, what I meant was: Ignorance makes your life easier in a lot of ways. But that doesn't mean that just because I would find things easier, I would prefer to be ignorant.

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Yes, having AS is hard, but I wouldn't want to kill my personality.


Why do you assume that you would suddenly lose your personality?

Because AS is part of my personality. It's the part of my personality that is the most different to the majority of society and therefore it is wrongly classed as a disorder.



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13 May 2007, 10:14 am

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You forget that NT's have the ability to understand things in both ways


Not necessarily :lol:
I'd say it causes more problems to be NT and average-dumb than to be an Aspie with normal intelligence. And I noticed often NTs experience difficulties using their logic when something society-related gets in their way. Talk about cattle mentality.



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13 May 2007, 10:16 am

Logic > Intuition
(at least in this context)



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13 May 2007, 10:22 am

Sopho wrote:
Logic > Intuition
(at least in this context)


Does that rule apply when you are in an unfamiliar social situation?
What about when somebody does or says something unexpected?

Intuition is a common, base understanding. Logic then builds on top of it. Those acting purely on instinct would be animals, while those of us acting purely on logic are robot-like. I think a balance is best.

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I'd say it causes more problems to be NT and average-dumb than to be an Aspie with normal intelligence. And I noticed often NTs experience difficulties using their logic when something society-related gets in their way. Talk about cattle mentality.


Can you explain this a bit more?


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13 May 2007, 10:25 am

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Can you explain this a bit more?


I'll use the words of a very famous German writer: If it's fashionable to solder their a**es, they'd do it.



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13 May 2007, 10:27 am

Sounds like your trying to use CBT to treat aspergers JCJC777?

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1: J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 2005 Nov;46(11):1152-60.
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A randomised controlled trial of a CBT intervention for anxiety in children with Asperger syndrome.
Sofronoff K, Attwood T, Hinton S.

School of Psychology, University of Queensland, Australia. kate.psy.uq.edu.au

BACKGROUND: The aim of the study was to evaluate the effectiveness of a brief CBT intervention for anxiety with children diagnosed with Asperger syndrome (AS). A second interest was to evaluate whether more intensive parent involvement would increase the child's ability to manage anxiety outside of the clinic setting. METHODS: Seventy-one children aged ten to twelve years were recruited to participate in the anxiety programme. All children were diagnosed with AS and the presence of anxiety symptoms was accepted on parent report via brief interview. Children were randomly assigned to one of three conditions: intervention for child only, intervention for child and parent, wait-list control. RESULTS: The two intervention groups demonstrated significant decreases in parent-reported anxiety symptoms at follow-up and a significant increase in the child's ability to generate positive strategies in an anxiety-provoking situation. There were a number of significant differences between the two interventions to suggest parent involvement as beneficial. CONCLUSIONS: The sample of children with AS in this study presented with a profile of anxiety similar to a sample of clinically diagnosed anxious children. The intervention was endorsed by parents as a useful programme for children diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and exhibiting anxiety symptoms, and active parent involvement enhanced the usefulness of the programme. Limitations of the study and future research are discussed.

PMID: 16238662 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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13 May 2007, 10:39 am

Not sure what CBT is - will try and check into it - maybe also if you check out my site, which gives some more background, you could see if does overlap... all best



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13 May 2007, 10:40 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Logic > Intuition
(at least in this context)


Does that rule apply when you are in an unfamiliar social situation?
What about when somebody does or says something unexpected?

Maybe not but I'm not trying to suggest that having Aspergers is easy, far from it. I just wouldn't want to give in to it all and become NT.



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13 May 2007, 10:42 am

JCJC777 wrote:
Not sure what CBT is - will try and check into it - maybe also if you check out my site, which gives some more background, you could see if does overlap... all best


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_ ... al_therapy



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13 May 2007, 10:45 am

Sopho wrote:
Mitch8817 wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Logic > Intuition
(at least in this context)


Does that rule apply when you are in an unfamiliar social situation?
What about when somebody does or says something unexpected?

Maybe not but I'm not trying to suggest that having Aspergers is easy, far from it. I just wouldn't want to give in to it all and become NT.


I think we can agree that both NT's and AS's have their good and bad points. The only reason we have so many difficulties is the lack of understanding, acceptance and knowledge that society exhibits towards us and our shortcomings. It's hard having to play by NT rules.


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13 May 2007, 10:46 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
Logic > Intuition
(at least in this context)


Does that rule apply when you are in an unfamiliar social situation?
What about when somebody does or says something unexpected?

Maybe not but I'm not trying to suggest that having Aspergers is easy, far from it. I just wouldn't want to give in to it all and become NT.


I think we can agree that both NT's and AS's have their good and bad points. The only reason we have so many difficulties is the lack of understanding, acceptance and knowledge that society exhibits towards us and our shortcomings. It's hard having to play by NT rules.

I agree. That is mostly what causes the majority of problems I have.



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13 May 2007, 10:51 am

And the solution seems so clear and simple: educate the NT masses. We really need awareness. Take it out of the forums and into the streets! Why hasn't this been done?


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13 May 2007, 10:51 am

I think JCJC is mistaken. It is not possible to "fix" the mirror neurons so Aspies can intuitively understand NTs. These things are inborn and either exists in a particular form or not. The best evidence of this is the inability of NTs to understand Aspie communication. Because they are a majority they can easily dismiss Aspie communication as tics or stiming, while it is not as easy for an Aspie to dismiss NT communication in a similar manner (after all, almost everybody agrees that NT communication works in a certain way).

I would say that if any "Aspie" has been "cured" and has adapted NT intuition without logical reasoning, they were not Aspies to begin with.

And this is not possible to cure genetically either without destroying the personality of the Aspie. So many of the Aspie preferences are things that NTs dislike, and thus would need to go if the Aspie would be cured. A partial "cure" is probably the worse option because the Aspie will be all "mixed-up" in his/her preferences.



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13 May 2007, 10:55 am

All this talk of a 'cure' is counter-intuitive anyway. The only cure that needs to be applied here is to the society that makes it so difficult for us. Think of why life for those with Aspergers is so hard anyway...

I say again: disability lies in the environment, not in the individual.


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13 May 2007, 11:01 am

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All this talk of a 'cure' is counter-intuitive anyway. The only cure that needs to be applied here is to the society that makes it so difficult for us.

That is exactly how I see it. Apart from being hypersensitive to everything etc, all the Aspergers-related problems I've had in my life haven't actually been a direct cause of having AS. They've always been caused by having AS in a society that doesn't understand or accept it.



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13 May 2007, 11:02 am

Sopho wrote:
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All this talk of a 'cure' is counter-intuitive anyway. The only cure that needs to be applied here is to the society that makes it so difficult for us.

That is exactly how I see it. Apart from being hypersensitive to everything etc, all the Aspergers-related problems I've had in my life haven't actually been a direct cause of having AS. They've always been caused by having AS in a society that doesn't understand or accept it.


I doubt alot of them even know what it is - they just see us as weirdo NT's.


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