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04 Jan 2017, 5:11 am

EzraS wrote:
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I think it's a fair conclusion that those who have been without a diagnosis until later in their lives have had opportunities that early diagnoses have been without due to labelling and the whole psychosocial side of that. It might not be correct, but it is a natural conclusion all the same.

That's the flip side of the coin. Nothing is ever perfect.

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The situations I've witnessed are basically an older later diagnosed person basically describing how their Aspergers effects their lives and bring up examples or situations involving spouse, kids, career etc, and a younger person will ask how that person can have a spouse and kids and so on, when that younger person can't even stand to have someone touch them and so on. Which I think might have something to to with the perceived elitist and or envious attitude this thread is about.

You are envious of someone's ability to cope with their challenges? Why? I am sure you cope with challenges and will do so all your life.


Once again, androbot01, for the second time, I am talking about encounters I have witnessed, rather than speaking about myself, which may pertain to the subject at hand. Please stop making it personal. Thanks.


But you yourself failed to drop the other shoe,and finish your explanation.

You explained why you think that people like yourself (young early dxers) rightly, or wrongly, envy older late dxers. But you didnt follow through to state whether or not you agreed with your fellow young early dxers. You never said "young folks like me often jump to the said conclusion, even though its wrong". Since you failed to put that last disclaimer(that its a wrong conclusion) on your opinion then you have to expect the reader to assume that your opinion about what other folks in your own group tend to think ALSO APPLIES TO YOU YOURSELF. That you yourself think that.

So...which is it?

Do you agree that later dxers are to be envied? Or not?


If you are saying one must have the same thoughts, attitudes, feelings etc as a particular group one is referring to, in order to postulate why they behave a certain way, I don't believe that's how it works.
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I said nothing of the sort.

you're not kidding about being autistic!

I was giving you advice on how to communicate in an NT world.



NTs lay things between the lines, and will read things between the lines whether they are there or not. So beware of that.My point was that you often need disclaimers to show that you're not laying things between the lines.

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04 Jan 2017, 5:42 am

naturalplastic wrote:
EzraS wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
voidofcontext wrote:
I think it's a fair conclusion that those who have been without a diagnosis until later in their lives have had opportunities that early diagnoses have been without due to labelling and the whole psychosocial side of that. It might not be correct, but it is a natural conclusion all the same.

That's the flip side of the coin. Nothing is ever perfect.

EzraS wrote:
The situations I've witnessed are basically an older later diagnosed person basically describing how their Aspergers effects their lives and bring up examples or situations involving spouse, kids, career etc, and a younger person will ask how that person can have a spouse and kids and so on, when that younger person can't even stand to have someone touch them and so on. Which I think might have something to to with the perceived elitist and or envious attitude this thread is about.

You are envious of someone's ability to cope with their challenges? Why? I am sure you cope with challenges and will do so all your life.


Once again, androbot01, for the second time, I am talking about encounters I have witnessed, rather than speaking about myself, which may pertain to the subject at hand. Please stop making it personal. Thanks.


But you yourself failed to drop the other shoe,and finish your explanation.

You explained why you think that people like yourself (young early dxers) rightly, or wrongly, envy older late dxers. But you didnt follow through to state whether or not you agreed with your fellow young early dxers. You never said "young folks like me often jump to the said conclusion, even though its wrong". Since you failed to put that last disclaimer(that its a wrong conclusion) on your opinion then you have to expect the reader to assume that your opinion about what other folks in your own group tend to think ALSO APPLIES TO YOU YOURSELF. That you yourself think that.

So...which is it?

Do you agree that later dxers are to be envied? Or not?


If you are saying one must have the same thoughts, attitudes, feelings etc as a particular group one is referring to, in order to postulate why they behave a certain way, I don't believe that's how it works.
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I said nothing of the sort.

you're not kidding about being autistic!

I was giving you advice on how to communicate in an NT world.

NTs lay things between the lines, and will read things between the lines whether they are there or not. So beware of that.My point was that you often need disclaimers to show that you're not laying things between the lines.


Riiiiiigt. Okay sure thing. Thanks for the tip. :wink:



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04 Jan 2017, 7:21 am

EzraS wrote:
Well perhaps that depends on where you are encountering these young people. If it's been on a public social media format, I have witnessed such occurrences as you described taking place. If you were describing private encounters you've had with young people or even imaginary ones, I have still seen the scenario you described, play out on public social media formats. Now I'm sure given your pattern, this will go several more rounds, so give me your next shot.

The difference is these are experiences I have had, whereas you are talking about witnessing others' behavior during their experiences.



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04 Jan 2017, 8:45 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Well perhaps that depends on where you are encountering these young people. If it's been on a public social media format, I have witnessed such occurrences as you described taking place. If you were describing private encounters you've had with young people or even imaginary ones, I have still seen the scenario you described, play out on public social media formats. Now I'm sure given your pattern, this will go several more rounds, so give me your next shot.

The difference is these are experiences I have had, whereas you are talking about witnessing others' behavior during their experiences.


That I witnessed them is all that matters regarding the question you asked. Okay next spin around the mulberry bush...round and round....round and round.....



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04 Jan 2017, 9:07 am

EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
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Well perhaps that depends on where you are encountering these young people. If it's been on a public social media format, I have witnessed such occurrences as you described taking place. If you were describing private encounters you've had with young people or even imaginary ones, I have still seen the scenario you described, play out on public social media formats. Now I'm sure given your pattern, this will go several more rounds, so give me your next shot.

The difference is these are experiences I have had, whereas you are talking about witnessing others' behavior during their experiences.


That I witnessed them is all that matters regarding the question you asked. Okay next spin around the mulberry bush...round and round....round and round.....

Dude, I'm not even sure what we're talking about.



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04 Jan 2017, 9:32 am

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Well perhaps that depends on where you are encountering these young people. If it's been on a public social media format, I have witnessed such occurrences as you described taking place. If you were describing private encounters you've had with young people or even imaginary ones, I have still seen the scenario you described, play out on public social media formats. Now I'm sure given your pattern, this will go several more rounds, so give me your next shot.

The difference is these are experiences I have had, whereas you are talking about witnessing others' behavior during their experiences.


That I witnessed them is all that matters regarding the question you asked. Okay next spin around the mulberry bush...round and round....round and round.....

Dude, I'm not even sure what we're talking about.


I know.



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04 Jan 2017, 9:14 pm

I'd be lying to say I was prejudiced on the matter.
I don't think individuals with Aspergers see things or treated the same as those with high functioning, classic, and low-functioning autism. Please don't kill me, I don't write the script, I don't do the game, you can't send me to jail. :cry:
I also say this out of personal experience. Those with Aspergers that I know personally I find particularly unrelatable. Either their special interests baffle me or they are overwhelming to be around. But I also find it tragic that it is much harder for them to get help or support. From my experience, it has been much easier for me to get support than it is for any of the Aspies I know.
The label is honestly a curse, but I acknowledge that knowing the difference between these four is important.


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