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Tripodologia
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11 Sep 2017, 1:13 am

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Does stress cause OCD like symptoms?
How long does a person needs to be sad for him/ her to say that they are depressed. Can a person just say that I am not depressed I am just really sad and tired for more than a year now? By the way I'm not talking about clinical depression, I'm just talking about normal depression. Which I think everybody is bound to have at some point in their life.

Yes, stress can in fact cause a lot of symptoms from many different disorders, but that doesn't mean that the person who is under stress has a disorder that can be diagnosed (one symptom doesn't make for a disorder). I personally develop symptoms that are present in OCD when I'm under a lot of stress - I get intrusive thoughts; during a period of my life they were so bad that I couldn't sleep, and I would have to get out of bed, covered in sweat, and sit on the floor to try and prevent a panic attack from happening. I also get compulsions that make me do things over and over because they're not "right" (i.e. folding clothes from laundry, and having to do it again and again until it's folded properly and if I don't -> anxiety). However, that has happened during specific, punctual periods of my life and it's not an ongoing struggle, thus I wouldn't be diagnosed as OCD. A person may even experience a psychotic episode during their lifetime and not get a schizophrenia diagnosis. Also, being sad is not depression; someone may not even experience sadness and be depressed (covert depression) having symptoms such as fatigue, alexithymia, sleep problems, lack of appetite, etc. Dysthymia is another condition in which the person has a long-lasting form of "mild" depression, but can do things like work and have a social life (even though it's a constant struggle) - I do have this condition and it impairs my quality of life, which is also one of the core aspects considered when giving a clinical diagnosis. [Talking from my perspective as a ND psychologist]

This is what I don't understand, I have seen OCDers say on the OCD forum theirs comes and goes or they have OCD when they are under stress or when they have certain triggers and I have read in my paper written about me that I get more obsessive compulsive when my anxiety is bad. That I was not even aware of and I wonder what obsessive compulsive stuff I got. I also know for a fact my anxiety comes and goes and my mom says the same about my autism too and I see it as yeah everyone's autism gets worse when they are tried or stressed and then on a good day, theirs might be mild because their symptoms are not as severe so I guess that makes sense when my mom says mine comes and goes. So what is the difference then for everyone else and for others with the actual disorder that comes and goes?

Does this have to be a continuous thing and not something that happens once in a life time?

Sure if someone has never experienced these symptoms, then their diagnoses could be adjustment disorder? Does it also depend on the doctor too so some might give out a anxiety diagnoses or OCD diagnoses or even autism even if theirs comes and goes and it's not like it only happened once for a situation and then never again?

My point is not that a given disorder / neurodiversity has to have the same level of intensity all throughout the lifespan of a person, but rather that such symptoms are always there in one form or the other whether there is a stressor or not.

On top of that, stress can have a complex relationship with those symptoms and exacerbate them, generating that "coming and going" aspect that you mention in your comment. You (and I) don't stop being autistic when we're not under stress; being under stress just exacerbates certain issues. That being said, if someone has no compulsions (or the thought of doing something repetitively even if it's not acted upon), and / or obsessions (intrusive thoughts, etc.) that impact their quality of life, and only happen to get certain symptoms when under severe stress, they don't require a diagnosis of OCD. If someone becomes socially awkward under severe stress, but otherwise shows no other symptoms, they won't require a diagnosis of autism.

Severe stress can mess up the balance of any otherwise "healthy / NT" brain, but it'll be something punctual and not something that persists even when the stressor is gone. Someone who is ND / has a disorder like a personality disorder / OCD, etc., will worsen under severe stress, but won't become NT when they're no longer stressed (they will just be able to manage their symptoms / difficulties better). Does this make better sense?

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11 Sep 2017, 2:07 am

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if your issues are caused by the environment like being singled out or bullied or treated different by society.

This seems to be rather simplistic thinking. What if being bullied or singled out is due to how you are but that in turn leads to further issues ?
I was bullied and singled out because I was physically and socially awkward that in turn lead to quite severe social anxiety and a fair degree of fear and paranoia.
Certain children are more likely to be bullied and singled out than others ,IMO ,more than children randomly get bullied/singled out and then develop issues.

Yes bullying can cause psychological issues like PTSD, and anxiety. It is no different than abuse. Autistic people can also have this affect too from being bullied and I think the reason for why a kid is being singled out and bullied is a thing to look at so you know if the child is normal or not. I also find it a pity that this is what has to happen sometimes for parents to actually notice and doctors too.

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11 Sep 2017, 2:24 am

This is a response to Tripodologia to his or her post:

My mom is NT so she probably wouldn't know what she is talking about so to her it will look like mine comes and goes. By her logic I guess my cousin's Bipolar would come and go and my nephew's ADHD because they can all act normal and not display the symptoms of those disorders always whenever I see them. Same goes for aspies too so by her logic, theirs also comes and goes. My husband describes mine as waves. I have seen the same being said about OCD too on the Reddit forum and anxiety forum there. But to me it really does feel like everything is gone and then it comes back. But I have noticed how certain things might bother me more or upset me more depending on my mood and day or how I can handle something but then can't anymore if it keeps happening over and over like if someone touches my stuff. First time annoyance, second time, stronger annoyance, and keep repeating and then I start to feel anger and then feel like screaming and ripping the whole house apart. It's like the glass slowly fills up as the book described I think it was called "My Dad Has Asperger's" and it was written for children to help them understand it better. And if my anxiety gets bad enough, then I have a harder time controlling it. But to my mother it's the anxiety that causes me to have autism and it makes me slip into it and says that is what got me that diagnoses.

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11 Sep 2017, 2:25 am

Finally I was able to post my response but I had to delete all the quotes from my post to make my post because it wouldn't let me post it. :roll:

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11 Sep 2017, 3:06 am

People are discussing Autism and OCD as if if you have one you can't have the other. That is just very wrong.

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and Autism Spectrum Disorders: Longitudinal and Offspring Risk

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Individuals with OCD had a 13 times higher risk of having a comorbid autism spectrum diagnosis (6.6%) compared with individuals without OCD (0.5%).

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11 Sep 2017, 3:24 am

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Yes bullying can cause psychological issues like PTSD

Since when? Childhood dramas and mild traumas does not equal PTSD. I think people seem to be misrepresenting or misunderstanding this term.

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11 Sep 2017, 4:10 am

I'm just curious. When Hans Asperger put his name before a syndrome, did he ever mentioned it as a disability? Because autism is almost synonymous with having certain disabilities but I don't know about aspergers syndrome though. :?:

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11 Sep 2017, 4:22 am

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Yes bullying can cause psychological issues like PTSD

Since when? Childhood dramas and mild traumas does not equal PTSD. I think people seem to be misrepresenting or misunderstanding this term.

I think when people use the term PTSD they often may mean complex PTSD, which can arise due to ongoing, constant traumatic events that may not be as acute as other forms of trauma (i.e. war), but are persistent enough for some people to develop symptoms later on in life; for instance when the child is subjected to intense bullying, an abusive family, ongoing sexual abuse, etc. Symptoms of c-PTSD and PTSD may overlap in some instances but are different disorders. There are articles out there on the internet that can explain this much more eloquently than I can.

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11 Sep 2017, 6:43 am

PTSD is a serious disorder. It is a form of anxiety (so is OCD). I have been diagnosed with PTSD. It's like living in a 'nightmare' and cannot wake up (nightmares during sleep, flashbacks when awake, intrusive thoughts about the traumatic events). I was terrified when anything or anyone triggered those awful memories, so I tried to avoid them. I successfully hid my misery for several weeks until the anxiety got so severe that I vomited a lot after encountering triggers in my area. I suffered many other debilitating symptoms that I have not mentioned here. Of course, I ended up in a psychiatric ward and stayed there for a few days.

Any form of life-threatening event or ongoing abuse (including bullying that involved real threat and psychological damage) of any form can cause PTSD. Not everyone who experiences traumatic events will develop PTSD.

Prolonged severe stress can cause a relapse. I had the worst PTSD episode because of tremendous pressure I was under at that time.

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11 Sep 2017, 7:21 am

Tripodologia wrote:

That being said, if someone has no compulsions (or the thought of doing something repetitively even if it's not acted upon), and / or obsessions (intrusive thoughts, etc.)

Lucky people.

I don't even get some of the compulsions and obsessions I have, why do I feel the need to do certain things to make sure I don't become a murder? It makes no sense! I know I'm not going to become a murderer, yet that's a thought that sometimes plays on my mind. You read a couple articles about people murdering others in horrific ways, and it bothers your mind to the point that you're checking cooking equipment just in case you end up hurting others even though you would never do that. What on Earth, brain? Why do you do this to me?

My friend once asked me what it would be like if my thoughts became real (he doesn't know about some of the more disturbing ones) and I just replied "PLEASE NO, PLEASE". He was so confused lol.

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11 Sep 2017, 2:37 pm

C2V wrote:

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Yes bullying can cause psychological issues like PTSD

Since when? Childhood dramas and mild traumas does not equal PTSD. I think people seem to be misrepresenting or misunderstanding this term.

Oh so those people also pinned that label on themselves? The whole time I thought they were diagnosed by an actual doctor or therapist. If they have flashbacks, if they are still affected by their childhood bullying, how is that not PTSD? I have even seen ASD people claim this too from being bullied.

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11 Sep 2017, 3:33 pm

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Hans Asperger called it "autistic psychopathy ". It was named "Aspergers" decades later. He thought of Autistic Psychopathy as a "continuum", what we call today a spectrum.

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11 Sep 2017, 3:33 pm

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Individuals with OCD had a 13 times higher risk of having a comorbid autism spectrum diagnosis (6.6%) compared with individuals without OCD (0.5%).

Maybe this is a real stupid question but can someone please explain to me how a comorbid is decided.

I didn't think you could have OCD with a comorbid of ASD , I thought you had ASD with a comorbid of OCD.

Does it actually matter which way round it is ? I don't know why but I thought ASD was the trump card and other disorders were the kicker ( sorry for the card game analogy ).

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11 Sep 2017, 3:45 pm

SaveFerris wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

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Individuals with OCD had a 13 times higher risk of having a comorbid autism spectrum diagnosis (6.6%) compared with individuals without OCD (0.5%).

The interwebz says:
* "In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional diseases or disorders co-occurring with (that is, concomitant or concurrent with) a primary disease or disorder; in the countable sense of the term, a comorbidity (plural comorbidities) is each additional disorder or disease."

* "“Any distinct additional entity that has existed or may occur during the clinical course of a patient who has the index disease under study.”

etc, etc.

I have never read anything that indicated ASD as secondary. It seems to always be considered primary. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

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11 Sep 2017, 4:35 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

neurotypicalET wrote:

Hans Asperger called it "autistic psychopathy ". It was named "Aspergers" decades later. He thought of Autistic Psychopathy as a "continuum", what we call today a spectrum.

So. Even aspergers itself is a spectrum that ends up being part of greater spectrum. No wonder ASD is such a broad spectrum. :lol:

The more I type spectrum the dumber I feel.

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11 Sep 2017, 8:12 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

neurotypicalET wrote:

Hans Asperger called it "autistic psychopathy ". It was named "Aspergers" decades later. He thought of Autistic Psychopathy as a "continuum", what we call today a spectrum.

So. Even aspergers itself is a spectrum that ends up being part of greater spectrum. No wonder ASD is such a broad spectrum. :lol:

The more I type spectrum the dumber I feel.

The largeness of the Autism spectrum causes confusions and problems.

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