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03 Jun 2007, 11:16 pm

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I think the comment about dwarfs not having children is offensive to dwarfs - who gets to decide who can/can't have children and what is/isn't an acceptable human being?

How was my comment offensive? They are selfish to put children through that life just so THEY can have kids. This makes them cruel.

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wheeee! whoopeee! it's fun to ridicule a 12 year old!

He's 13. At his age I was no differant than I am now. He can handle what's being said.

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after all it's an Asperger's Syndrome child and everyone knows they are defective!

So.. you're calling all children with AS defective? Wow, you are a thousand times more ignorant than you claim I am.

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tell a mother her children don't deserve to live and how selfish she is to have defective children

If you create a life, knowing it will be flawed and tormented, you are doing it for your own selfish desire to bear children. Period.

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you should see how my parent think about ME!

Here you go.. assuming you or your life actually matters to anyone here.. Tsk.

It has been brought to my attention, Ramsus, that you have been trolling. I have read this thread, and you consistently put down the opinions of others, without letting them say anything to support their opinion. Just because you have a right to an opinion does not mean you also have the right to suppress other's opinions.

Point one: Most people choose to have kids. It is alright to choose so, and as long as the potential condition is not a debilitating one (dwarfism or AS really aren't), then they have a right to have children.

Point two: Just because you were 'mature' at 13 (a state I highly doubt, though I do not doubt your maturity state has been consistent since 13) does not mean the person you insulted has the ability to deal with it.

Point three: The poster about 'defective' children was being satirical.

Point four: And if they give much of their life to helping that child have a life? Is that so selfish? That is a fairly selfless act!

Point five: Every life matters, except those who do not consider other's lives. In other words, it is your life that will not matter, unless you get an attitude change.

So Ramsus, either keep your opinions to yourself, or futue te ipsum.

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04 Jun 2007, 1:54 am

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He is probably totally disgusted with himself and hopes to ease his pain by lashing out on others that have come to terms with their own suffering because he hasn't gotten to that place of acceptance yet!

Or maybe I find it fun. :-D

A direct admission of trolling?
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04 Jun 2007, 5:32 am

Rasmus, theres a world of difference between being a young person with a lifelong neuro-biological difference that provides not only difficulties to be overcome but also advantages that NTs just dont have.. and just being an emo. Its becoming rapidly evident which camp you fall into.

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04 Jun 2007, 6:55 am

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I fully intend to have a large family.

I wish you to succeed

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04 Jun 2007, 9:07 am

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Macbeth must think it's fun to throw the lowest insult possible on this forum.. You know, the common "I DON'T LIKE YOU SO I'M GOING TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ASPERGERS, HAH!" BS.

Is it fun being a blatant moron? OH NO! Did Ramsus just throw an insult? GEEE... Maybe it is because he was insulted first.. hmm? :shameonyou:

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04 Jun 2007, 9:11 am

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04 Jun 2007, 10:08 am

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What is an EMO, please?

Kris94-

You said you'll be 13 this Wednesday -- Happy Birthday!

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04 Jun 2007, 10:12 am

Rasmus, what you are going through now is a fairly common stage in any neuro-biological disorder. It's the conviction that no one else understands what you are going through, that no one else could ever ever possibly contemplate knowing what its like to deal with one of the less debilitating issues in this arena. Just count the number of users on this forum alone, never mind all the others. Take a guess at how many of them have problems brought about by having AS. Then consider how many of them are whining and bitching about it like its the ultimate worst thing in the world to ever ever have to deal with ever, worse than cancer and having no legs and eyes. For that matter, consider how many young people have to deal with all sorts of issues in their lives, like having no social skills, or being a bit weird, who do not have AS at all, or in fact anyything other than a bad case of acne. Yes, fine, AS can be a sh***y thing, but it also has plenty of benefits going for it. Ranting at someone who for all you know deals with their AS perfectly well just because they might want to have children at some point is rude, obnoxious, and most of all, utterly pointless. Just like ADHD can be a serious affliction for small children, so it can also be used as an excuse for crappy parenting and just being a naughty little shite. AS can be used in exactly the same way. "OO I know, Ill go act like a c*ck on a forum, but I'm allowed to do that because I have no social skills. The doctor said I dont." Just because you have AS, doesnt mean you cant be a whiny emo git as well yknow. IF you really do have that much of a problem dealing with it, try getting some help. Its quite possible, thousands of us manage it every day, despite godawful mental health services. Incidentally, a lot of basic social skills are learned behaviour, and anyone with AS can pick them up. Most of us learn how to say please and thankyou, and most of us are only rude or objectionable by accident, not by deliberate intent.

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04 Jun 2007, 10:20 am

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Macbeth-

What is an EMO, please?

Kris94-

You said you'll be 13 this Wednesday -- Happy Birthday!

Emo is short for Emotional. Its a fairly recent music phenomena, a bit like Goth without the style. Its fans are usually characterized by wearing womens jeans, having fringes that effectively cover the whole face, and moaning constantly about how unfair the world is, how much they hate their parents/are hated by their parents and a great deal of other similar stuff. Its sort of a punk spinoff, but lacking the aggression. A quick google search should cover the broader details for you, but otherwise its just another variation on teen rebellion and angst. (Though it does actively promote self-harm, which is frankly f**king stupid, worrying, and wrong.)

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04 Jun 2007, 10:24 am

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Do you like playing psychologist? You suck at it. I'm going through a stage huh? Hrm, that's one hell of a stage. It's lasted sixteen years! I'll throw in my own psychological wisdom: I'm a cruel as*hole. It's that simple.

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Just count the number of users on this forum alone, never mind all the others. Take a guess at how many of them have problems brought about by having AS. Then consider how many of them are whining and bitching about it like its the ultimate worst thing in the world to ever ever have to deal with ever, worse than cancer and having no legs and eyes.

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Ranting at someone who for all you know deals with their AS perfectly well just because they might want to have children at some point is rude, obnoxious, and most of all, utterly pointless.

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AS can be used in exactly the same way. "OO I know, Ill go act like a c*ck on a forum, but I'm allowed to do that because I have no social skills. The doctor said I dont." Just because you have AS, doesnt mean you cant be a whiny emo git as well yknow. IF you really do have that much of a problem dealing with it, try getting some help.

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Yes, fine, AS can be a sh***y thing, but it also has plenty of benefits going for it.

Like?

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04 Jun 2007, 10:40 am

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Mind you, a number of individuals on this forum DO complain about having AS. Regardless, you're focusing the subject onto me. Have I complainted about having AS? Nope. If you want to keep pushing this subject though, go get a quote that you believe shows me complaining.

Calling it painful sh*t isnt complaining about it? Deciding that people shouldnt have kids in case they are cursed with AS isnt having a problem with it? Do you even read what you post? Also, see your response below.

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Ranting at someone who for all you know deals with their AS perfectly well just because they might want to have children at some point is rude, obnoxious, and most of all, utterly pointless.

I didn't limit it to only AS. I'll reiterate what I've said in an earlier post: If you create a life, knowing it will be flawed and tormented, you are doing it for your own selfish desire to bear children. Period.

And as people KEEP telling you over and over again.. AS doesnt automatically equal flawed and tormented like you seem to believe it does. SOME diseases, disorders and the like are actually so utterly dire that no-one should be forced to go throuhg them, yes, but AS isnt one of them.

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I'm an opionated person who stands behind what he says. You, however, are a nazi little b***h who opposes free speech whenever it goes against any of your beliefs. Why did I just call you a b***h? You called me a cock.

So if you have a sound basis on which you have formed your opinion of breeding with AS, lets hear it. WHY is it such a godawful thing exactly.. in your opinion? And Im not even going to dignify the nazi/belief thing with a response.

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Yes, fine, AS can be a sh***y thing, but it also has plenty of benefits going for it.

Like?

Variously,and varying from person to person: Higher than average intelligence, the ability to focus on a task more intently than most NTs. A gift for specialization. Greater degrees of logic and common sense. An ability to deal with situations from an objective rather than emotion-driven point of view, and in some, a talent so outstanding that it makes a mark in history itself. Theres a few to be going on with.

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04 Jun 2007, 10:55 am

Macbeth:

"Goth without the style" -- LOL! Thanks for the explanation.

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04 Jun 2007, 11:03 am

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i have been thinking, and i have an idea :idea:

people with aspergers are in the minority, which leaves us open to discrimation.
but if we were in the majority, wouldn't there be no discrimination?
people are strange and confuse me. do they confuse you and is this an interesting thought? :roll:

In a long and convoluted fashion, this chain of posts has delivered an interesting answer to the original question. Even in a place where AS is in the majority we still get all the fighting, arguing, backbiting and insult throwing that happens anyway. What do you get when you gather together a million people who are all egocentric and all think they are right and everyone else is wrong? Open f**king warfare. Discrimination and its ilk are part of the human condition, and even Aspies aren't advanced enough to have moved away from it completely yet. We just do it with harsh logic rather than misguided gibberish. (Well, mostly.

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04 Jun 2007, 1:10 pm

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- AS doesn't always imply above average intelligence. Look at the individuals on this forum.
- When it's a subject of interest. The downside is you push away everything else.
- NTs have greater common sense. Again, look at the people on this forum.
- AS doesn't make one a savant.

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An ability to deal with situations from an objective rather than emotion-driven point of view

Either this board is made up 90% of NTs, or that statement isn't true. People's responses to my morality lacking posts stem from their emotions and morals being in disagreement with what has been said. My entire time on this forum, I have seen VERY FEW people attempt to prove me wrong via statistics and logic rather than just say, "That is wrong".. or.. "You are sadistic", and so forth. Those are emotional driven responses.

There goes your whole "AS has benefits" BS. Additionally, I like how you completely dodged every other topic I shot you down in. At a loss of words? >)

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04 Jun 2007, 1:15 pm

Do you read what is posted? I NEVER said that all of these things are evident in ALL aspies AT ALL. These are merely various upsides that CAN be present in AS.

Also, I responded to all your points, except the nazi b***h one. I can respond to that if you really like, but it probably isnt wise in this medium. Just because you dont like the answers or cant think of a cheap crack to make to my responses, doesnt mean Im lost for words. If anything, Im waiting for you to prove that you are capable of actually noticing what people are telling you.

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04 Jun 2007, 1:20 pm

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Do you read what is posted? I NEVER said that all of these things are evident in ALL aspies AT ALL. These are merely various upsides that CAN be present in AS.

Given those traits can be equally as noticeable within NTs, they are not limited to AS. Therefore, AS is not benneficial. Those traits themselves are benneficial.

So! Now that every last point of yours has been destroyed, I see this arguement as ending.. Unless of course you choose to broaden the subject. It's probable I'd beat you again, but one can always hope..

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