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01 Oct 2018, 9:02 pm

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I read these complaints on WP and can't help but think "Then why don't you try treating your symptoms differently, then?" as I've been sharing here for more than 5 years how I treat my own symptoms & function as highly as I do. But it seems people here just want to complain vs. actually do anything that helps themselves. SO bizarre!


They just don't have faith in what you're telling them. There's a lot of people who don't have faith in and or are leery of a lot of medications, treatments and therapies et al. That plus a lot of autistic people being highly resistant to change and trying something new.


*shrug* Obvi they can do as they please, but they can’t truly be “SO TIRED OF IT,” or otherwise at their wits end if the remain unwilling to try a different approach that has worked for others (more than just me) & have faith in their own experience. They’d find out right quick if it’s going to benefit them or it’s not. Instead they choose to continue suffering and complaining. That’s the bizarre part to me, and also why I have an ever increasing difficulty feeling bad for any of the long time complainers on this forum. It’s not as if no one has ever told them what they can do about their condition, they simply choose to continue to do nothing about it.


Most people aren't going to try something they don't believe is going to work for them. Especially if it's anything that requires more involvement than taking a pill. Could be the more miserable ones view treatment as a false hope. Human psychology often defies logic.


Mmhmm. Not willing to do the work? Then you don’t get the results. Simple as that.

It’s very much like fat people complaining about being fat while being 100% opposed to changing their diet and exercise routines. GIGO.

If only it were as simple as swallowing a pill I would be doing that, but, it isn’t, so I put in the effort & benefit from the results.


Right I was thinking the same thing. I have a relative who says she's sick and tired of being sick and tired. But she stays sedentary and eats junk. Too set in her ways I suppose.


I’m far more understanding of senior citizens on the spectrum saying “Aah well, f**k it, I’m old anyways - it’s not like I’m going to start a new career or get married and have kids, so I’m just gonna carry on existing as I do,” kind of thing. It’s everyone younger with unfilled potential to exploit that I take issue with their reluctance to want to do the work it takes to forge better lives for themselves going forward.


Well to be blunt. Obviously since it's been stated many times by many people, they don't have faith in what you're telling them because they feel that you display unfavorable personality problems. If I recall correctly some have even suggested you should see a psychologist. I think that's why they're not accepting what you're telling them. And I think you probably should have figured that out by now.



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01 Oct 2018, 9:19 pm

EzraS I know you are autistic but stop banging your head against a brick wall :wall: :P


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01 Oct 2018, 9:30 pm

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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I read these complaints on WP and can't help but think "Then why don't you try treating your symptoms differently, then?" as I've been sharing here for more than 5 years how I treat my own symptoms & function as highly as I do. But it seems people here just want to complain vs. actually do anything that helps themselves. SO bizarre!


They just don't have faith in what you're telling them. There's a lot of people who don't have faith in and or are leery of a lot of medications, treatments and therapies et al. That plus a lot of autistic people being highly resistant to change and trying something new.


*shrug* Obvi they can do as they please, but they can’t truly be “SO TIRED OF IT,” or otherwise at their wits end if the remain unwilling to try a different approach that has worked for others (more than just me) & have faith in their own experience. They’d find out right quick if it’s going to benefit them or it’s not. Instead they choose to continue suffering and complaining. That’s the bizarre part to me, and also why I have an ever increasing difficulty feeling bad for any of the long time complainers on this forum. It’s not as if no one has ever told them what they can do about their condition, they simply choose to continue to do nothing about it.


Most people aren't going to try something they don't believe is going to work for them. Especially if it's anything that requires more involvement than taking a pill. Could be the more miserable ones view treatment as a false hope. Human psychology often defies logic.


Mmhmm. Not willing to do the work? Then you don’t get the results. Simple as that.

It’s very much like fat people complaining about being fat while being 100% opposed to changing their diet and exercise routines. GIGO.

If only it were as simple as swallowing a pill I would be doing that, but, it isn’t, so I put in the effort & benefit from the results.


Right I was thinking the same thing. I have a relative who says she's sick and tired of being sick and tired. But she stays sedentary and eats junk. Too set in her ways I suppose.


I’m far more understanding of senior citizens on the spectrum saying “Aah well, f**k it, I’m old anyways - it’s not like I’m going to start a new career or get married and have kids, so I’m just gonna carry on existing as I do,” kind of thing. It’s everyone younger with unfilled potential to exploit that I take issue with their reluctance to want to do the work it takes to forge better lives for themselves going forward.


Well to be blunt. Obviously since it's been stated many times by many people, they don't have faith in what you're telling them because they feel that you display unfavorable personality problems. If I recall correctly some have even suggested you should see a psychologist. I think that's why they're not accepting what you're telling them. And I think you probably should have figured that out by now.


Not liking my personality changes nothing in terms of what I do raising my AS functioning level significantly, allowing me to work & function in life and the social world as I do.

Others not doing it for themselves doesn't harm me or my progress any, only theirs.

Ah well, it's not like I didn't do my part and tell them 5+ years ago - which is why I don't feel bad for those who've been around here that long that still have the same complaints. There are many here who don't really complain at all, I'm only talking about the few who complain constantly yet still refuse to try anything different to see if it helps them. Oh well, kinda sad, but it's their lives, not mine.


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01 Oct 2018, 10:16 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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I read these complaints on WP and can't help but think "Then why don't you try treating your symptoms differently, then?" as I've been sharing here for more than 5 years how I treat my own symptoms & function as highly as I do. But it seems people here just want to complain vs. actually do anything that helps themselves. SO bizarre!


They just don't have faith in what you're telling them. There's a lot of people who don't have faith in and or are leery of a lot of medications, treatments and therapies et al. That plus a lot of autistic people being highly resistant to change and trying something new.


*shrug* Obvi they can do as they please, but they can’t truly be “SO TIRED OF IT,” or otherwise at their wits end if the remain unwilling to try a different approach that has worked for others (more than just me) & have faith in their own experience. They’d find out right quick if it’s going to benefit them or it’s not. Instead they choose to continue suffering and complaining. That’s the bizarre part to me, and also why I have an ever increasing difficulty feeling bad for any of the long time complainers on this forum. It’s not as if no one has ever told them what they can do about their condition, they simply choose to continue to do nothing about it.


Most people aren't going to try something they don't believe is going to work for them. Especially if it's anything that requires more involvement than taking a pill. Could be the more miserable ones view treatment as a false hope. Human psychology often defies logic.


Mmhmm. Not willing to do the work? Then you don’t get the results. Simple as that.

It’s very much like fat people complaining about being fat while being 100% opposed to changing their diet and exercise routines. GIGO.

If only it were as simple as swallowing a pill I would be doing that, but, it isn’t, so I put in the effort & benefit from the results.


Right I was thinking the same thing. I have a relative who says she's sick and tired of being sick and tired. But she stays sedentary and eats junk. Too set in her ways I suppose.


I’m far more understanding of senior citizens on the spectrum saying “Aah well, f**k it, I’m old anyways - it’s not like I’m going to start a new career or get married and have kids, so I’m just gonna carry on existing as I do,” kind of thing. It’s everyone younger with unfilled potential to exploit that I take issue with their reluctance to want to do the work it takes to forge better lives for themselves going forward.


Well to be blunt. Obviously since it's been stated many times by many people, they don't have faith in what you're telling them because they feel that you display unfavorable personality problems. If I recall correctly some have even suggested you should see a psychologist. I think that's why they're not accepting what you're telling them. And I think you probably should have figured that out by now.


Not liking my personality changes nothing in terms of what I do raising my AS functioning level significantly, allowing me to work & function in life and the social world as I do.

Others not doing it for themselves doesn't harm me or my progress any, only theirs.

Ah well, it's not like I didn't do my part and tell them 5+ years ago - which is why I don't feel bad for those who've been around here that long that still have the same complaints. There are many here who don't really complain at all, I'm only talking about the few who complain constantly yet still refuse to try anything different to see if it helps them. Oh well, kinda sad, but it's their lives, not mine.


I think it's not that they don't like your personality as much as they seem to think you have psychological problems.
They seem to think you should see a shrink as much as you think they should try the treatment.
That plus the other factors I mentioned, make it seem like a 1/1000000 chance that they would accept your recommendation.



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01 Oct 2018, 11:53 pm

Being mentally disabled is something that I'm proud of because it is a fact about me. I get very stressed out when I even think about lying or deceiving people and like the old saying goes, "the truth will set you free." That is very much true for me.

Now, having said that, when it comes to workplace situations, one has to be very careful about disclosing mental disorders because it can cause more problems than solving them. NTs can be extraordinarily intolerant of anyone who is different from them and there's a great deal of misinformation about Autism in general so, we as ASDs have to be careful about the workplace.

Other than that, I am proud to tell anyone who knows me that I'm Autistic and mentally disabled with several other neuroses because they are facts about me and I am proud of who I am because that's the way God made me.

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02 Oct 2018, 3:53 am

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
I read these complaints on WP and can't help but think "Then why don't you try treating your symptoms differently, then?" as I've been sharing here for more than 5 years how I treat my own symptoms & function as highly as I do. But it seems people here just want to complain vs. actually do anything that helps themselves. SO bizarre!


They just don't have faith in what you're telling them. There's a lot of people who don't have faith in and or are leery of a lot of medications, treatments and therapies et al. That plus a lot of autistic people being highly resistant to change and trying something new.


*shrug* Obvi they can do as they please, but they can’t truly be “SO TIRED OF IT,” or otherwise at their wits end if the remain unwilling to try a different approach that has worked for others (more than just me) & have faith in their own experience. They’d find out right quick if it’s going to benefit them or it’s not. Instead they choose to continue suffering and complaining. That’s the bizarre part to me, and also why I have an ever increasing difficulty feeling bad for any of the long time complainers on this forum. It’s not as if no one has ever told them what they can do about their condition, they simply choose to continue to do nothing about it.


Most people aren't going to try something they don't believe is going to work for them. Especially if it's anything that requires more involvement than taking a pill. Could be the more miserable ones view treatment as a false hope. Human psychology often defies logic.


Mmhmm. Not willing to do the work? Then you don’t get the results. Simple as that.

It’s very much like fat people complaining about being fat while being 100% opposed to changing their diet and exercise routines. GIGO.

If only it were as simple as swallowing a pill I would be doing that, but, it isn’t, so I put in the effort & benefit from the results.


Right I was thinking the same thing. I have a relative who says she's sick and tired of being sick and tired. But she stays sedentary and eats junk. Too set in her ways I suppose.


I’m far more understanding of senior citizens on the spectrum saying “Aah well, f**k it, I’m old anyways - it’s not like I’m going to start a new career or get married and have kids, so I’m just gonna carry on existing as I do,” kind of thing. It’s everyone younger with unfilled potential to exploit that I take issue with their reluctance to want to do the work it takes to forge better lives for themselves going forward.


Well to be blunt. Obviously since it's been stated many times by many people, they don't have faith in what you're telling them because they feel that you display unfavorable personality problems. If I recall correctly some have even suggested you should see a psychologist. I think that's why they're not accepting what you're telling them. And I think you probably should have figured that out by now.


Not liking my personality changes nothing in terms of what I do raising my AS functioning level significantly, allowing me to work & function in life and the social world as I do.

Others not doing it for themselves doesn't harm me or my progress any, only theirs.

Ah well, it's not like I didn't do my part and tell them 5+ years ago - which is why I don't feel bad for those who've been around here that long that still have the same complaints. There are many here who don't really complain at all, I'm only talking about the few who complain constantly yet still refuse to try anything different to see if it helps them. Oh well, kinda sad, but it's their lives, not mine.


I think it's not that they don't like your personality as much as they seem to think you have psychological problems.
They seem to think you should see a shrink as much as you think they should try the treatment.
That plus the other factors I mentioned, make it seem like a 1/1000000 chance that they would accept your recommendation.


Hence my avatar & signature. Still doesn't change that I'm correct and bit by bit medical research is proving it all. Wait another 5 years for someone else to tell y'all all you feel like; I'll simply be another 5 years into my higher functioning life while others may be just beginning their own. Waste of time, IMO, but again, it's their time to waste if they opt to suffer longer.


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02 Oct 2018, 6:45 am

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Hence my avatar & signature. Still doesn't change that I'm correct and bit by bit medical research is proving it all. Wait another 5 years for someone else to tell y'all all you feel like; I'll simply be another 5 years into my higher functioning life while others may be just beginning their own. Waste of time, IMO, but again, it's their time to waste if they opt to suffer longer.


Looks like it's a Mexican standoff. They won't try the treatment you think they need, and you won't get the psychotherapy they think you need. c'est la vie.



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02 Oct 2018, 7:49 am

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Hence my avatar & signature. Still doesn't change that I'm correct and bit by bit medical research is proving it all. Wait another 5 years for someone else to tell y'all all you feel like; I'll simply be another 5 years into my higher functioning life while others may be just beginning their own. Waste of time, IMO, but again, it's their time to waste if they opt to suffer longer.


Looks like it's a Mexican standoff. They won't try the treatment you think they need, and you won't get the psychotherapy they think you need. c'est la vie.



Mmhmm.. I live, work, and play in the social world just fine while they suffer & complain on a forum and I’m the one in need of help.


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02 Oct 2018, 8:24 am

They're probably going by what they've experienced here.



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02 Oct 2018, 8:36 am

You’re living a good life, Goldfish.

Your advice about not letting other people screw you is good.

But I wouldn’t want to live a life where I can’t express my eccentricities and force myself to go to parties and all that. I’m just not into that stuff. And you shouldn’t think a person is less because they are not always “striving” and seeking to win friends and influence people.

One shouldn’t scorn those who are not the best-looking physically, and might want to stay home and play Scrabble or whatever.

You are one hot tamale to chicks and guys. Most of us aren’t. And some of us don’t really want to hit the gym.

People should get away from their status-quo if it makes them feel bad—but shouldn’t be scorned for being within their present status-quo.

The worst thing you can do to somebody is have them think they're "less" than they are because of some superficial quality like "looks" and "social deftness." I've been the recipient of such scorn----and it really doesn't delight me too much.



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02 Oct 2018, 8:50 am

I'm a mesomorph, I have the physique of a greek god, flowing raven hair and piercing dark grey eyes. People find my silence and aloofness both alluring and intimidating.



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02 Oct 2018, 8:56 am

You're pretty okay, Goldfish. You're a party animal. And you're pretty smart, too.

But not everybody is going to go for your regimen. And that's just the way it is.

I used to have this girlfriend who used to push Reverend Ike down my throat. Every time she would get Reverend Ike on the radio, I would lose my desire for her.



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You're pretty okay, Goldfish. You're a party animal. And you're pretty smart, too.

But not everybody is going to go for your regimen. And that's just the way it is.

I used to have this girlfriend who used to push Reverend Ike down my throat. Every time she would get Reverend Ike on the radio, I would lose my desire for her.

I used to wonder who listened to Reverend Ike for anything other than comic effect. Now I know.


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02 Oct 2018, 9:39 am

The guy would just repeat himself....repeat himself....repeat himself.

I don't like hanging out in a church saying the same things for hours.....



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Reverend Ike? Did Eisenhower become a minster?



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02 Oct 2018, 10:18 am

I had a cat named Floyd. His Sire was named Ike.

I don't tell people my Spectrum Status-----because people really know very little about the Spectrum.