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29 Mar 2020, 9:15 am

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That's the first sign that a patient is autistic.

Denial that they are autistic.

If you're not autistic then...you're just open and honest about it, and you freely admit...that you're autistic! :D


Many years I had people say I had aspergers or autism or ask if I had and each time I would deny it. I would look at them puzzled.

Now I may not be on the spectrum, but things do make sense when before things didn't.
It is like doing a jigsaw puzzle where before the pieces seemed to fit but they were giving a muddled picture, and now since I have autism glasses on they all fit perfectly and I can see the whole picture accurately.
So if I am assessed and found that I don't have autism, it is like ripping the jigsaw apart and no knowing even where to find the first piece!



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29 Mar 2020, 9:16 am

There's a tiger swallowtail butterfly in the avatar. Maybe it expresses the OP's desire to be a "social butterfly".

I'm a social butterfly as well. At the chrysalis stage.



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29 Mar 2020, 9:18 am

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There's a tiger swallowtail butterfly in the avatar. Maybe it expresses the OP's desire to be a "social butterfly".

I'm a social butterfly as well. At the chrysalis stage.


Your picture is sceary! I mean... A purple face going "GRRR!"

(I mean it in a nice way).



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29 Mar 2020, 9:29 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That's the first sign that a patient is autistic.

Denial that they are autistic.

If you're not autistic then...you're just open and honest about it, and you freely admit...that you're autistic! :D


Many years I had people say I had aspergers or autism or ask if I had and each time I would deny it. I would look at them puzzled.

Now I may not be on the spectrum, but things do make sense when before things didn't.
It is like doing a jigsaw puzzle where before the pieces seemed to fit but they were giving a muddled picture, and now since I have autism glasses on they all fit perfectly and I can see the whole picture accurately.
So if I am assessed and found that I don't have autism, it is like ripping the jigsaw apart and no knowing even where to find the first piece!


For what it's worth i think you have ASD from the way you write. Not as a negative trait but in my opinion positiveBecause it's like me or my brother where you say a lot but in reality it is not jumbled it all is details that do link together and you have several layers of observations and also it is coming from a place that NTs dont (theirs is very restricted and with many filters and biases and you cwn tell)..
And a more 'scientific' attempt at mulling over a topic i mean not prejudiced but using various observations strung together to form an opinion. NTs dont do that usually.
when I have read your posts in the past too I thought that


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29 Mar 2020, 9:32 am

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The fact that one observes the outside world beyond their personal experience argues against an autistic mindset.

The fact that one benefits from what’s outside of themselves argues against autism.

A depiction of Nature is antithetical to autism. A depiction of one’s “inner demons” could be said to be “autistic.”

Autism equates very well with solipsism.


I have no idea what this means. Im going to ask my sister. I still haven't grasped the concept of solipsism even though you mentioned and explained it before on the WP addicts thread


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29 Mar 2020, 9:34 am

Solipsism means relying on your own impressions only, and denying the truth of, or even discerning, other impressions

Solipsism, simply, is total self-absorption.



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29 Mar 2020, 9:41 am

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bugs are for girls 8) … Outdoors, compared only to other species, I feel like a fairly normal human. And what's more so, I am pretty good at wilderness survival.

Here, here! An opilionid, eh? It has an attractive shape. My (ASD-like) daughter has a pet grasshopper that has survived since last Fall - is that possible? For our family activity bowl she submitted "search bugs". Although apparently she has interest beyond insects b/c I found a garter snake in her room last week.... You'd be a good mentor for my daughter. If I knew how to build relationships, I'd do that. :wink: In the meantime, I'll tell her about you and show her your profile picture.

quite an extreme wrote:
Right - but you are overthinking. Thinking to much is an autistic trait as well.

I like your visually stimulating profile pic. Next subject...
[as I sigh with contentment] I love to overthink. But that's an NT assessment. More accurately: I love to think.

Just because one is pondering and playing with thoughts, and doesn't eat or bathe --- who is to judge that as "overthinking". I think that professional athletes are oversporting. :twisted: All thinking and sports should be in moderation.

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That's the first sign that a patient is autistic. Denial that they are autistic.

Teasing: What if others deny that a person is autistic. Does that count? (Although come to think about it, anybody who really knows me, doesn't have doubts except to clarify the diagnosis criteria b/c clearly it's something.)



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29 Mar 2020, 9:41 am

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She claimed it has something to do with the eyes ('epicanthic folds by the insides of our eyelids'). She also said there are studies about it. I did find a couple from googling.

I've seen those studies also, but wasn't sure about the sample set.

In general "The epicanthic fold produces the eye shape characteristic of persons from central and eastern Asia; it is also seen in some Native American peoples and occasionally in Europeans (e.g., Scandinavians and Poles)."

IF the theory were true, one would then wonder if those cultures have more occurrence of ASD or are otherwise ASD-friendly... I have a (NT) Nepalese friend who says her culture is accepting of ASD folks (but not other minorities). Coincidentally my (NT) friend in college was Asian and my (NT) husband is Native American. Hmmm.

"In Europe, the median rate of ASD was 61.9 per 10,000 15, while in the USA the prevalence of ASD was 110 per 10,000 16. Further, in Asia the figure was 264 per 10,000 in South Korea 17 and 181 per 10,000 in Japan". Interesting. Just one source. I couldn't readily find the rate in Native American cultures. Here is another but it's old data: https://www.focusforhealth.org/autism-r ... ped-world/

So you have the fold on the inside of your eye? It's rarer for Caucasians (which I am) and I do not. It's more common in Native Americans, but my NT husband does not, but … interestingly both my children have a touch -- my daughter is ASD-like and my son is NT-like.

During this thinking - I did take the time to eat and get (partially dressed). I have ye to brush my teeth.



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29 Mar 2020, 9:52 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
A depiction of Nature is antithetical to autism.

I politely disagree (although I am not sure I understand, but am feeling playful).
And I agree --- the serenity of nature evades me, but the volatility I get.

I find this:

What does autism look like in girls?
Although every child with autism is different, here are some common characteristics in girls with autism:
A special interest in animals, music, art, and literature
A strong imagination (might escape into the worlds of nature or fiction)



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29 Mar 2020, 9:53 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That's the first sign that a patient is autistic.

Denial that they are autistic.

If you're not autistic then...you're just open and honest about it, and you freely admit...that you're autistic! :D


Many years I had people say I had aspergers or autism or ask if I had and each time I would deny it. I would look at them puzzled.

Now I may not be on the spectrum, but things do make sense when before things didn't.
It is like doing a jigsaw puzzle where before the pieces seemed to fit but they were giving a muddled picture, and now since I have autism glasses on they all fit perfectly and I can see the whole picture accurately.
So if I am assessed and found that I don't have autism, it is like ripping the jigsaw apart and no knowing even where to find the first piece!


For what it's worth i think you have ASD from the way you write. Not as a negative trait but in my opinion positive because it's like me or my brother where you say a lot but in reality it is not jumbled it all is details that do link together and you have several layers of observations and also it is coming from a place that NTs dont (theirs is very restricted and with many filters and biases and you can tell)..
And a more 'scientific' attempt at mulling over a topic i mean not prejudiced but using various observations strung together to form an opinion. NTs dont do that usually.
when I have read your posts in the past too I thought that


Thank you. It helps as it makes more sense of where I am. In one way I don't mind if I am on the spectrum or not but I don't want to be in this middle "No mans land" or missdiagnosed of not being on the spectrum when I am, as I am trying to make sense of things. If I am declared an NT it makes no sense to me.

Initially on joining this site, I assumed that I was ever so slightly edging towards the autism spectrum but not actually in it (But no where near a typical NT either) as I had spent a lifetime of being rather puzzled and fed up of being not one thing or the other, and yet suffering as if I have difficulties but never diagnosed as having any difficulties in whatever I had been tested for. (Years of trying to trace medically of what I now know to be shutdowns and partial shutdowns which is why, though for me it was a bit of a longshot, that I asked for an autism assessment (Took me two years to adk as I kept clamming up), and why I joined this site straight after as the doctor could not give me a direct answer to my questions except to say she would put me on a list to be assessed but doubted they would accept me (I couldn't say much when asked abut why I thought I maybe autistic as I just did not know. Dr did not know what an shutdown is and neither did I even though I described it accurately... I just saw a link between what triggers a shutdown foe me and what can trigger a meltdown (Which dr did know about) and asked if they were in anyway related? She said "Definately not" which shows that she has things to learn about autism. I am very greatful to her to refer me to go on the assessment list as past doctors would not even have put me on the list if I had asked)).
Ok. Before I talk around the world and back... I think I better post this reply. Haha!

But thanks for what you wrote. Much appreciated.



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29 Mar 2020, 9:55 am

I honestly dont believe it or if it is true it is very very mild facial difference..... to a negligible degree ( unlike Down's, fetal alcohol, prader wili syndrome, williams syndrome.. All of those are still visible traits if you know what to look for)

because i googled epicanthic folds and I dont think I have one. They look cute and I wouldnt mind having it. My kids do but that may be because they are still young and the nose bridge isn't fully grown yet.

I do think Asian societies maybe from tradition...
fit the mold of 'aspergers' moreso than the stereotyped for comparison (
'Neurotypical' and for the latter Europe or N America are easier societies. A good point though... I said to my dad once that i think people who are South Asian ethnically have way more aspergers among us than we realize but it fits thé mold of how we interact and rules and traditions better and easier to fit into a society based on a traditional system as then the family is more likely to accommodate and adjust for greater needs than in societies where you are all living in modern nuclear family dynamics plus the demands of work consumes families and the standards for fitting in are more stringent from childhood up... and so odd traits and issues stand out more and can cause more difficulties that are obvious to outsiders


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29 Mar 2020, 9:59 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Solipsism means relying on your own impressions only, and denying the truth of, or even discerning, other impressions

Solipsism, simply, is total self-absorption.


Not exactly.

Solipsism is the philosophy that only two things exist in universe. Yourself, and sensory impressions.

The outside world, other people, etc, are all just sensory impressions.

A person who really is self absorbed is necessarily literally a "solipsist". And vice-versa.



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29 Mar 2020, 10:02 am

They don’t accept the input from things beyond themselves.

The ultimate autistic, to me, does not even comprehend/discern input from what’s beyond themselves.



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29 Mar 2020, 10:05 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That's the first sign that a patient is autistic.

Denial that they are autistic.

If you're not autistic then...you're just open and honest about it, and you freely admit...that you're autistic! :D


Many years I had people say I had aspergers or autism or ask if I had and each time I would deny it. I would look at them puzzled.

Now I may not be on the spectrum, but things do make sense when before things didn't.
It is like doing a jigsaw puzzle where before the pieces seemed to fit but they were giving a muddled picture, and now since I have autism glasses on they all fit perfectly and I can see the whole picture accurately.
So if I am assessed and found that I don't have autism, it is like ripping the jigsaw apart and no knowing even where to find the first piece!


I relate. I came to suspect that I was an aspie before I got the official exhaustive battery of tests. Sure enough I was diagnosed as that, but it would have been very strange if they had concluded the opposite-that I wasn't aspie.

You do seem to be on the autism spectrum from what you write about. So like you, I would be surprised if you got the test and it came up negative.



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29 Mar 2020, 10:11 am

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Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That's the first sign that a patient is autistic.

Denial that they are autistic.

If you're not autistic then...you're just open and honest about it, and you freely admit...that you're autistic! :D


Many years I had people say I had aspergers or autism or ask if I had and each time I would deny it. I would look at them puzzled.

Now I may not be on the spectrum, but things do make sense when before things didn't.
It is like doing a jigsaw puzzle where before the pieces seemed to fit but they were giving a muddled picture, and now since I have autism glasses on they all fit perfectly and I can see the whole picture accurately.
So if I am assessed and found that I don't have autism, it is like ripping the jigsaw apart and no knowing even where to find the first piece!


For what it's worth i think you have ASD from the way you write. Not as a negative trait but in my opinion positive because it's like me or my brother where you say a lot but in reality it is not jumbled it all is details that do link together and you have several layers of observations and also it is coming from a place that NTs dont (theirs is very restricted and with many filters and biases and you can tell)..
And a more 'scientific' attempt at mulling over a topic i mean not prejudiced but using various observations strung together to form an opinion. NTs dont do that usually.
when I have read your posts in the past too I thought that


Thank you. It helps as it makes more sense of where I am. In one way I don't mind if I am on the spectrum or not but I don't want to be in this middle "No mans land" or missdiagnosed of not being on the spectrum when I am, as I am trying to make sense of things. If I am declared an NT it makes no sense to me.

Initially on joining this site, I assumed that I was ever so slightly edging towards the autism spectrum but not actually in it (But no where near a typical NT either) as I had spent a lifetime of being rather puzzled and fed up of being not one thing or the other, and yet suffering as if I have difficulties but never diagnosed as having any difficulties in whatever I had been tested for. (Years of trying to trace medically of what I now know to be shutdowns and partial shutdowns which is why, though for me it was a bit of a longshot, that I asked for an autism assessment (Took me two years to adk as I kept clamming up), and why I joined this site straight after as the doctor could not give me a direct answer to my questions except to say she would put me on a list to be assessed but doubted they would accept me (I couldn't say much when asked abut why I thought I maybe autistic as I just did not know. Dr did not know what an shutdown is and neither did I even though I described it accurately... I just saw a link between what triggers a shutdown foe me and what can trigger a meltdown (Which dr did know about) and asked if they were in anyway related? She said "Definately not" which shows that she has things to learn about autism. I am very greatful to her to refer me to go on the assessment list as past doctors would not even have put me on the list if I had asked)).
Ok. Before I talk around the world and back... I think I better post this reply. Haha!

But thanks for what you wrote. Much appreciated.



What you wrote about your doctor is very kind. I would have been way harsher and angry. Research even shows that shutdowns alter your brain patterns. Im sorry you've had to experience so many shutdowns... they are the worst thing. Even outsiders wondered if you have it. Come on doc!


Anyway from this forum of diverse but very amazing people

and real life meeting people on the spectrum at hospital and camp for kids who had ASD ...I learned that people with ASD or previously termed Aspergers are sincere and more honourable/ethically minded than most people. Even if they are in their own world entirely and very severe they still approach life in that way to the best of their ability .. if you spend time with them it comes out.

The way you spoke of your doctor in that gentlemanly way epitomizes those traits.


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29 Mar 2020, 10:13 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
They don’t accept the input from things beyond themselves.

The ultimate autistic, to me, does not even comprehend/discern input from what’s beyond themselves.


That's true.


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