Once AS becomes "woke"

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I already brought up Twitter.

People are idiots on twitter.

The far left are nasty on there I agree.

So many people are nasty on Twitter. I avoid bringing up politics on there. Even stuff you think everyone would agree with would result in punishment... I've learned my lesson

I dare respect older people* & not want to date them...

Apparently that's the same as 'having a problem' with them...

I addressed this in another thread: some cultures under appreciate the old because they value shallow things only. I don't value youth and beauty above age and wisdom so all I'm doing is pointing out differences. I do believe there are differences.

For eg: at my age, I recognise nuance in this 'woke' stuff. In the generation coming up, they don't have that yet so they're back in the stage we used to be at - anti-SJW versus extreme SJW. Life experiences will shift this and create more nuances.

* Who are actually wise, in any case. I recognise there's old idiots in there but I suspect they were even stupider in youth.

Every generation has its variation on 'woke". i mean what were the hippies,60's counterculture ? if not a precursor. Although ideological similar, Only thing different is th hippies of the 60s actually stood for expansion of freedom and their ideological opponents were the authoritarians and censors. now its seems tis the other way round. It's a topsy turvy world.

As regards AS? we will never be accepted, we will always be the mutant outcasts of humanity. We are not made for 'social movements.' It goes against our every instinct as far as i can tell.

Being "woke" seems to be self-contradictory.

For example, being "woke" means that a person's race does not matter, yet being "woke" also means being so aware of that person's race that identification with that person's race-based hardships becomes one's own goal.  Just be careful to not become so identified with another person's race that you start "appropriating" the appearnace an mannerisms associated with that race(i.e., clothes, hairstyles, manners of speech, posture, gestures, et cetera).

And apparently according to the extremists on Twitter, no white person can ever be 'woke'.

I think it's silly to say feminism contradicts itself though - liberal feminism versus radical feminism = different 'branches'. Radical feminists don't see trans women as women so they won't ask for your pronouns then dismiss you as a man, they'll see your body & dismiss you as a man instead. Liberal feminists aren't sex negative so that openness about different forms of sexuality is genuine. Calling it hypocrisy is like saying 'Christians are hypocritical because some of them are Protestant and some are Catholic'.

I think it's hard to know when someone else is virtue signalling.

When I call a non-binary friend by their preferred pronouns, it's because I genuinely hold the virtue that unless it's ridiculous like calling yourself 'emporer of the universe' or 'attack helicopter', one ought to be able to name oneself/one's pronouns in adulthood. Rooted in notions of self-ownership.

Irl I have never met anyone who wasn't a he, a she or a they. And I've met a sole number of 1 stupid trans girl who took offence even after I said 'sorry' - I call her stupid because she didn't have bottom surgery & chose to do life modelling This is out of lots of trans people I've met irl who just accept it with the same sort of social ease as if you called a guy called David 'Dave' when he doesn't like that particular nickname - say sorry and move on!*

When I don't swear, it's because I'm virtue signaling to a dad who considers swearing wrong. But as anyone who knows me on here knows: I don't think swearing is immoral, I think it's just words and I struggle to see where calling a poo a sh.. = 'taking the Lord's name in vain' as my dad seems to think.

In both cases, I do it to avoid causing offense. Only in the second do I not really believe in what I'm doing and only do it to avoid hurting the feelings of someone I care about.

* If that guy was stupid enough to take offence at people calling him 'Dave' after making a label for himself with 'Dave' on it, I would be equally infuriated!

When I refer to others by their preferred pronouns, it is more to avoid insulting them and inciting conflict.

I not familiar wit the intricacies of the "woke movement" i dont take the time to deal with such things, i consider it boring, like most political phenomena. but the way you describe it, sounds like a arbitrary social idntity, certain demographics have adopted and incorporated into their mindset for whatever political pressure reasons found in their immediate environment, and so internal contradictions or absurdities mean nothing to them. its simply peer pressure.

Now i may be right i may be wrong, but honestly tell me why i should give a crap about the next man who calls himself woke or any other self righteous moniker? we are first and foremost upright walking monkeys with certain subconscious drives. anything else after that is mostly pretensions of grandeur and delusional ideas we upright ancestors of killer apes have projected into the world through grunts and vocalizations. remember, anger is an energy.

A century from now 'Woke' will just be another footnote in the long list of political phenomena of recorded history. SO why should i treat it with such gravitas? I would assume most people here have bigger problems.

In other words, confirming to peer pressure through political intimidation. did i read you correctly? now what happens when hard sciences conflict with social political conventions?

And there is nothing wrong with being woke. Being woke just means being tolerant of minorities and being anti racist and being in favor of letting them have the same rights as straight cis male whites. Not being so ignorant of racism and oppression they face.

Twitter doesn't seem to have a policy against attacks so that is why people act nasty on there. They can get away with it is why and there is the block button everyone can use when you don't like their tone or their reaction.

Dude, your horses may need to be reined in, as they seem to be running away without a fully-loaded wagon...

Refusing to use preferred pronouns can get you fired from your job now. Be careful. If you are stupid enough to use your real identity online or post about it on your Facebook ranting about this stuff, that can cost you your employment. people have gotten fired before for this stuff.

Gosh, I'm in a big support group for straight men, so far all white, who are getting totally screwed in divorce courts. A presenter at a recent conference had charts showing that "conservatives" remarks about both men and women as groups were mildly positive, while among "progressives" there was a wild disparity, with women praised and men condemned. We are not all billionaires with privileges.

Gosh, being privileged does not mean being rich or a billionaire. You are confusing it with rich privilege.

I don't feel that poor, white Appalachian folks feel "privileged" because they are white.

There are some "woke" things that I like-----like never discriminating against somebody because of their race, or providing equal opportunities for all people. And some of the environmental things, too.

But I will not get on the "white guilt" bandwagon---ever! I am not "guilty" because I am white. I am mostly not "privileged" because I am white. I got my job, possibly, DESPITE being white. Whites are a distinct minority in my job. Most people in the support staff are black or Hispanic. Most people in IT are Asian.

There is no white guilt, white guilt is when people react negative to racism or get called out on it aka, white fragility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt