Which Autism Subtype Are You? Version 2

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Which autism subtype are you?

Type 1 "Aspie"	36%	[ 12 ]
Type 2 "Unicorn"	9%	[ 3 ]
Type 3 "Alien"	6%	[ 2 ]
Type 4 Shaman"	0%	[ 0 ]
Type 1/3 "Sensitive"	36%	[ 12 ]
Type 2/3 "Disconnected"	0%	[ 0 ]
Type 2/4 "Classic"	0%	[ 0 ]
Type 1/4 "Expert"	3%	[ 1 ]
Not sure	6%	[ 2 ]
None of those	3%	[ 1 ]

Total votes : 33

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24 Apr 2023, 9:11 pm

I wanted to edit the original post but it doesn't seem to have an edit button anymore.

Anyway, I want to suggest how people can see where they fit:

1. Compare your social impairments to your restricted repetitive behaviours (RRBs). If one is clearly worse than the other, you would be a Type 3 or 4.

2. If you have both social impairments and RRBs, consider your IQ profile. Type 1 would typically have high IQ but might struggle with processing or contextual understanding of speech*. Type 2 could be minimally verbal or could have a spiky IQ profile with significant deficits in some areas and average or better ability in others.

*I'm inferring that Type 1s can also have selective mutism related to anxiety or social difficulties.

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24 Apr 2023, 10:38 pm

I have low verbal IQ that's average at best.
Yet...

No verbal delays. No selective mutism.
No apparent learning disability.
Not 'shy' or an 'introvert' -- asocial, sure.

A chatterbox to a point that sometimes I don't like it.

Communication is more like an issue with me. Sometimes picking up contexts is a hit or miss -- times that I get it, times it's a guessing game.

And...
My language processing overall feels... Unnatural. I always feel something fragile about it.
Whenever I read, write, listen, or even speak...
It sort of feels like a form of addiction that sometimes it can hurt or is overwhelming by itself.

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25 Apr 2023, 12:04 am

MrsPeel wrote:

Yeah my chattiness varies, I can be chatty when relaxed amongst friends but clam up in other situations.

I'm actually wondering whether it was a good idea naming Type 1 "the aspie", as people may have preconceived notions about what that means and either strongly identify with or against it as a label. (The idea behind that choice was that Aspergers used to be diagnosed for those with intact verbal abilities, and I equated this with the subgroup with high verbal IQ).

Maybe one of the difficulties in parsing out who is Type 1 and who is Type 2 is that there are those of us like Isabella and firemonkey who are very smart with words and writing yet have really spiky profiles with difficulties in spacial awareness and short term memory and the like.

I'm thinking Isabella may be right that Type 2 would be the best fit for this kind of spiky profile, even though you might have really good understanding of words and written language? Whereas Type 1 might have a more level IQ profile without learning difficulties, but perhaps some niggles in how we process speech.

[To be honest, I think the jury's still out on whether these subtypes may be artifacts of the scientists' methodology and not a real thing at all. But I'm having fun seeing where we all think we fit!]

I have to admit I've yet to sit down and read the study.
I'm taking your word for it in the four categories since you've worked tirelessly to parse them.

As for Aspergers / Aspie, I also admit I don't know much about what it means.
I've always imagined it meaning someone who talks a lot about their special interest.
I've never seen Big Bang and I saw Rain Man so long ago I don't remember it.
Rain Man didn't have Aspergers anyway, apparently.

I might see what other psychological testing I can get done in the next few months.
I have a bunch of insurance money left over so there's a few screenings I might pursue.
One of them is Tourette's, but I'm not sure how it would fit on here.
Maybe it would be considered a Type 3 comorbid?
Either way my RRB / Part B DSM5 traits are really severe.

I wish I could get the brainspace to read the study but I still think we should find the authors!

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25 Apr 2023, 1:54 am

MrsPeel wrote:

I wanted to edit the original post but it doesn't seem to have an edit button anymore.

Yes I noticed that. The Edit button disappears after people have replied.

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25 Apr 2023, 2:04 am

MrsPeel wrote:

Anyway, I want to suggest how people can see where they fit:

1. Compare your social impairments to your restricted repetitive behaviours (RRBs). If one is clearly worse than the other, you would be a Type 3 or 4.

2. If you have both social impairments and RRBs, consider your IQ profile. Type 1 would typically have high IQ but might struggle with processing or contextual understanding of speech*. Type 2 could be minimally verbal or could have a spiky IQ profile with significant deficits in some areas and average or better ability in others.

*I'm inferring that Type 1s can also have selective mutism related to anxiety or social difficulties.

So with no. 1, I have far more social impairments, very few RRB if any. So I must be a type 3 or 4.

No. 2, I have high IQ, so I think I must be in the 3/1 overlap. Which is what I thought originally, I'm the Sensitive, which fits me to a tee. I could go either way into 3 or 1.

Thanks!

I wonder if we'll all get a brain scan with our diagnosis in future so we can be classified!

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25 Apr 2023, 3:14 am

MrsPeel wrote:

firemonkey wrote:

I wasn't sure where to put myself: very high verbal IQ, much higher verbal than spatial IQ (MR & 3x3 matrix), social communication(classical autism level),anxiety,sensitive

How severe are your restricted, repetitive behaviours (RRBs)?
If your social communication issues are significantly worse than your RRBs, you might be our first Type 3.

(Would it be offensive to call you an "alien"?)

I wouldn't like to say how severe my RRBs are. This was the 'Circumscribed interests' result I got at Aspie tests.

There isn't much variation in my activities. Basically it's internet and then more internet . On the internet - mental illness/politics/genealogy/social media/check my rss feeds/read and send emails covers over 95% of it. I'm the kind of person to watch episodes of favourite TV series over and and over again. Also with meals.Lunches. I have to eat them in order by best before/ use by date.

I have something of an obsession re intelligence. Currently I'm really interested in the correlation between reaction time and IQ. Some days I'll have over 20 goes at things like Slobrain and other such tests. I'll quite often repeat doing things I've done before, even if I saved the result already on my USB stick.

Intelligence wise- Verbal is highest. Numerical next- also very high. Non verbal- mixed. Pattern recognition avg around Mensa level . MR and Matrix borderline to low average. Visual memory is poor. Mostly manage to get to level 6 on this. Very occasionally level 7
https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/memory

Best 3 scores

Verbal : 168,166,157
Numerical: 146,142,139
Fluid pattern recognition: 154,151,147
Spatial:122,117,112

I don't mind being called an 'alien'. Throughout my life I've felt out of sync,to varying degrees, with other people.

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25 Apr 2023, 3:21 am

I would say that the affect of my RRBs are low. I have trouble with organization and switching from task to task for sure (my home environment sure suffers for it), but I wouldn't say I have very high RRBs. I think my social skills are more obvious an issue. But even then I've learned to mask to a high degree.

So I think I chose the right type?

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25 Apr 2023, 5:20 am

Although do obsessions count as RRBs? I generally have obsessions with stories, ideas, characters but they change VERY quickly. I have never had a lifelong obsession.

I do re-read certain stories or scenes of stories over and over again, but not forever. I guess that's RRB?

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25 Apr 2023, 12:53 pm

I've got the feeling I've ruined this thread. If so- I apologise.

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25 Apr 2023, 1:26 pm

firemonkey wrote:

I've got the feeling I've ruined this thread. If so- I apologise.

Why do you think that? I don't think so.

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25 Apr 2023, 1:31 pm

The replies dried up.

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25 Apr 2023, 4:30 pm

Noooo...they will be back!

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25 Apr 2023, 9:12 pm

firemonkey wrote:

I've got the feeling I've ruined this thread. If so- I apologise.

Not a bit. This thread has already been replied to by a lot of people, it will naturally slow down over time.

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27 Apr 2023, 7:23 am

Friends!

A slightly more accessible explanation of the 4 subtypes i.e. less techno babble.

4 Distinct Autism Subtypes Identified in Machine Learning Study

https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/4-dis ... ing-study/

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27 Apr 2023, 11:25 am

MrsPeel wrote:

I'm thinking Type 2s would probably have some obvious issues with certain aspects of IQ.
So for instance, maybe they have trouble reading/understanding texts, or with spatial awareness (who's always getting lost?) or short-term memory (what was that phone number again?). But at the same time they might be quite talkative, or great at puzzles. So just really variable.

I have a poor sense of direction. I'm quite good at verbal puzzles, but have never been able to do jigsaws.

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29 Apr 2023, 12:25 am

You're a conundrum, firemonkey!
I'm thinking that really high IQ but inability to do puzzles would be spikey IQ profile, which I've got as Type 2 :?:

But to be honest, I'm second-guessing whether I've understood the types correctly because of your high verbal IQ. Were you diagnosed with Aspergers or autism, if you don't mind my asking?

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