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10 Aug 2023, 1:49 am

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I don't think this version 5 is reliable at all.

Fortunately, when we don’t know how to answer, we can answer with "?" . I did it several times and my report is still doable. It was far easier in my native langage than in English so maybe you could try this if you’re not a native english speaker? I always think English was rather vague and it was far less possible to do this test in English for me.
There are autistic persons who don’t have many neuroatypical traits. It is a matter of the presence of certain neuroatypical traits, you cannot diagnose ASD with it.
I even think there are people who are neurotypical and who could have more traits than me.
For example, my neurotypical partner had more autistic traits than me in "perception" and "social" (but for social, maybe it’s partly because of his gender, since cis women are better at social) and he’s 50% neurotypical.

If I can try to help you:

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Do you dislike it when people drop by to visit you uninvited?
How would I know if I’ve never had friends in adulthood? The only people who drop by are service people like plumbers, carpet cleaners, washing machine repair, etc.

They wrote "people", not "friend" so I didn’t get where do you have an issue to answer.
Traditionally, the people who render domestic service to you are invited because you agree beforehand together to on an appointment for the service to be rendered.
I have a home helper who comes to help me every Wednesday at 12:40 am and she is invited.
Besides, I think nobody would like it … or very few people who don’t care about consent.
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Do you get a pleasurable tingling sensation in the head, scalp or back of the body in response to certain sounds?
Does listening to particular sections of classical music count?

Since they talk about sound and not music (they talk about music about another question), I don’t think so. I found certain sounds pleasurable but I was not sure about my bodily sensations so I answered "?" to this question.
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Do you get overwhelmed by things your body senses?
Too broad; not sure what this means.

If you had already done a crisis because of noise for example, yes, you did get overwhelmed by things your body senses. I think you can answer "2" if you find it "very frequent", otherwise, "1". I answered "1" because I don’t know how to gauge the frequency but I can’t answer "0" because it happened to me more that once and not only during my childhood.
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Would you discuss relationship issues with your best friends? 
How would I know when I’ve never had best friends and never any serious relationships?

You can answer "?" if you don’t have best friends to be fair.
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Are you asexual?
Define this. I’ve seen different definitions.

Yes, complicated. I answered "?" to this + other question about sexual preferences.




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Do you stay away from situations where people might express affection for you?
Does this mean romantic affection? Or Aunt Virginia or Uncle Wade? Or Gramps or Nana? Or some distant cousin who’s creepy?

I have answered "0" because I like affection like an average person so I don’t avoid it … I didn’t think that far. But fair point.



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Do you prefer to only meet people you know, one-on-one, or in small, familiar groups?

I answered "?" because it is difficult to answer. 


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Are you more sexually attracted to strangers than to people you know well?
Have no idea.

Same. I answered "?" because it is difficult to answer. 


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Are you passionate about a few topics at any one time in your life?
Aren’t most NTs this way? AS WELL AS Autistics.

Agree but I don’t get where you could have difficulties to answer to this question. This one is easy I think. 


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Do you have difficulty accepting criticism, correction, and direction? 
This was #120, nearly identical to #67
Yes both are nearly the same but both too complicated to respond so I did check "?".



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Do you dislike being hugged when you haven’t asked for it?
By whom? Coworkers? Neighbors? Acquaintances? Family members?

If you don’t know, you can just answer "?".
I like hugs but hate being hugged when I didn’t ask for it, no matter by who, so I did answer "2".


All the questions like "Do you have an odd posture or gait?", "Is your sense of humor fairly conventional?", "Have you experienced stronger than normal attachments to certain people?", "Is it hard for you to approach somebody you are attracted to?", "When you listen to music can you get so caught up in it that you don't notice anything else?", "Do you find social situations chaotic?", "Do you realize hours later that somebody that you have a romantic interest for actually showed interest for you, and then feel bad about the missed opportunity to connect?", "Do you notice patterns in things all the time?", "Do people sometimes think you are smiling at the wrong occasion?", "Can things that might seem meaningless to others make sense to you?", "Do you enjoy traditional dating?", "Is it important for you to find a unique niche where you can acquire unique competence?", "Do you spend more than half the day (daytime) fantasizing or daydreaming?", "In conversations, do you use small sounds that others don't seem to use?", "Do you tend to express your feelings in ways that may baffle others?",
do you have a mainstream sense of humor or odd", "do you feel strange" (or something like that), "do you have unusual sexual practices","Have you experienced stronger than normal attachments to certain people?", "Do you cry about nothing?" were impossible to me so I did answer "?".



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10 Aug 2023, 2:02 am

There are a few repeats (but with opposite wordings). Four of these are control questions, and so should be there, and the rest are experimental to be able to have more reverse-worded questions.

As for reliability, I don't think anything changed in that area. The differences between people that score atypical and typical are used as weight factors, and the initial scoring is based on two million answers in version 4. Also, over 90% of the questions are the same.



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10 Aug 2023, 2:22 am

I would confirm that a part from this test is quite reliable for me in my humble opinion because it has guessed that I shared common traits with people with dyspraxia. And I did not even indicating my diagnosis of dyspraxia anywhere in this test (and I ticked off at the beginning that I had a clinical diagnosis of autism) quite amazing.

Also, I'm thinking of convincing myself a little more, to see if I don't have another learning disability.
I always believed that all my attentional problems + impulsivity came from depression and autism and a little from my dyspraxia and sleeping issues (I didn’t sleep this night) but I scored far so high in traits of neuroatypical talents. It’s weird.
The only thing that makes me doubt is that I wonder why they don't seem to take depression into account … especially when we know that a large majority of neuroatypical people suffer from depression. Depression can cause / worsen cognitive + executive impairments.



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10 Aug 2023, 7:42 am

This version 5 has been around a long time though, hasn't it?
I'm confused because I know I've done it quite a few times in the past.
I didn't notice anything new or different.


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10 Aug 2023, 8:48 am

Checkbox wrote:
Elgee wrote:
I don't think this version 5 is reliable at all.

Fortunately, when we don’t know how to answer, we can answer with "?" . I did it several times and my report is still doable. It was far easier in my native langage than in English so maybe you could try this if you’re not a native english speaker? I always think English was rather vague and it was far less possible to do this test in English for me.
There are autistic persons who don’t have many neuroatypical traits. It is a matter of the presence of certain neuroatypical traits, you cannot diagnose ASD with it.
I even think there are people who are neurotypical and who could have more traits than me.
For example, my neurotypical partner had more autistic traits than me in "perception" and "social" (but for social, maybe it’s partly because of his gender, since cis women are better at social) and he’s 50% neurotypical.

If I can try to help you:

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Do you dislike it when people drop by to visit you uninvited?
How would I know if I’ve never had friends in adulthood? The only people who drop by are service people like plumbers, carpet cleaners, washing machine repair, etc.

They wrote "people", not "friend" so I didn’t get where do you have an issue to answer.
Traditionally, the people who render domestic service to you are invited because you agree beforehand together to on an appointment for the service to be rendered.
I have a home helper who comes to help me every Wednesday at 12:40 am and she is invited.
Besides, I think nobody would like it … or very few people who don’t care about consent.
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Do you get a pleasurable tingling sensation in the head, scalp or back of the body in response to certain sounds?
Does listening to particular sections of classical music count?

Since they talk about sound and not music (they talk about music about another question), I don’t think so. I found certain sounds pleasurable but I was not sure about my bodily sensations so I answered "?" to this question.
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Do you get overwhelmed by things your body senses?
Too broad; not sure what this means.

If you had already done a crisis because of noise for example, yes, you did get overwhelmed by things your body senses. I think you can answer "2" if you find it "very frequent", otherwise, "1". I answered "1" because I don’t know how to gauge the frequency but I can’t answer "0" because it happened to me more that once and not only during my childhood.
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Would you discuss relationship issues with your best friends? 
How would I know when I’ve never had best friends and never any serious relationships?

You can answer "?" if you don’t have best friends to be fair.
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Are you asexual?
Define this. I’ve seen different definitions.

Yes, complicated. I answered "?" to this + other question about sexual preferences.




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Do you stay away from situations where people might express affection for you?
Does this mean romantic affection? Or Aunt Virginia or Uncle Wade? Or Gramps or Nana? Or some distant cousin who’s creepy?

I have answered "0" because I like affection like an average person so I don’t avoid it … I didn’t think that far. But fair point.



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Do you prefer to only meet people you know, one-on-one, or in small, familiar groups?

I answered "?" because it is difficult to answer. 


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Are you more sexually attracted to strangers than to people you know well?
Have no idea.

Same. I answered "?" because it is difficult to answer. 


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Are you passionate about a few topics at any one time in your life?
Aren’t most NTs this way? AS WELL AS Autistics.

Agree but I don’t get where you could have difficulties to answer to this question. This one is easy I think. 


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Do you have difficulty accepting criticism, correction, and direction? 
This was #120, nearly identical to #67
Yes both are nearly the same but both too complicated to respond so I did check "?".



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Do you dislike being hugged when you haven’t asked for it?
By whom? Coworkers? Neighbors? Acquaintances? Family members?

If you don’t know, you can just answer "?".
I like hugs but hate being hugged when I didn’t ask for it, no matter by who, so I did answer "2".


All the questions like "Do you have an odd posture or gait?", "Is your sense of humor fairly conventional?", "Have you experienced stronger than normal attachments to certain people?", "Is it hard for you to approach somebody you are attracted to?", "When you listen to music can you get so caught up in it that you don't notice anything else?", "Do you find social situations chaotic?", "Do you realize hours later that somebody that you have a romantic interest for actually showed interest for you, and then feel bad about the missed opportunity to connect?", "Do you notice patterns in things all the time?", "Do people sometimes think you are smiling at the wrong occasion?", "Can things that might seem meaningless to others make sense to you?", "Do you enjoy traditional dating?", "Is it important for you to find a unique niche where you can acquire unique competence?", "Do you spend more than half the day (daytime) fantasizing or daydreaming?", "In conversations, do you use small sounds that others don't seem to use?", "Do you tend to express your feelings in ways that may baffle others?",
do you have a mainstream sense of humor or odd", "do you feel strange" (or something like that), "do you have unusual sexual practices","Have you experienced stronger than normal attachments to certain people?", "Do you cry about nothing?" were impossible to me so I did answer "?".


I actually answered ? to some of the questions because I either just didn't know because they never happened, or couldn't remember in my life if they'd ever been an issue IF they ever happened, whatever.

English is my primary and only language.

It's not that I have NT traits, as much as I don't have certain autistic traits such as meltdowns and some others that were asked of.

However, some of the traits being asked of seem more schizophrenic than autistic, such as the question about thinking people could hear your thoughts. That's a schizophrenic trait, not autistic, and there were several others like that, and there were other stereotypical autistic traits such as "Do you like to spin?" Well, spinning makes me dizzy so I answered zero. I answered zero for questions relating to gait and clumsiness, another stereotype of autism. Some autistic people ARE actually coordinated and athletic. There are professional athletes with autism. And pardon me if recently I haven't been VERY agitated; only slightly agitated. And then those questions that start with, "People tell you..." The answers to these are largely a function if you've been around enough people who'd actually point these things out to you. So, my zeroes or 1's for these kinds of questions drop my score closer to NT. The test isn't accurate. Nothing beats a full-on assessment by a doctorate in psychology who specializes in autism, not to mention that family members weren't the least surprised when they learned of my diagnosis.



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10 Aug 2023, 9:09 am

Atypical talent

Your group score: 3.0 of 10 (below average).

Typical talent

Your group score: 2.5 of 10 (below average).


Atypical perception

Your group score: 5.1 of 10 (average).

Typical perception

Your group score: 0.7 of 10 (below average).

Atypical communication

Your group score: 1.3 of 10 (below average).

Typical communication

Your group score: 1.2 of 10 (below average).

Atypical relationships

Your group score: 3.6 of 10 (average).


Typical relationships

Your group score: 0.0 of 10 (below average).



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10 Aug 2023, 10:14 am

Elgee wrote:
However, some of the traits being asked of seem more schizophrenic than autistic, such as the question about thinking people could hear your thoughts. That's a schizophrenic trait, not autistic.

Yes and I agree. But I think this is a screening test that we are supposed to take before consulting a psychiatrist (datas gathered by the test are useful for autism research) so doing that, he could determine which official diagnostic tests he will submit to you according to the results that you would have presented to him. My psychiatrist told me they don’t diagnose autism without checking other troubles. It is quite normal to not have a perfect to-do-list-to-be-autistic.
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"Do you like to shoot?"Well, spinning makes me dizzy so I answered zero.

Same.
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I answered zero for the questions about gait and clumsiness, another stereotype of autism.

I think it is used to determine the evidence of another neuroatypical aspect as a comorbidity of autism. Sometimes, autism have dyspraxia for comorbidity. There are different indices in the report with linked coefficients that describe well what each question corresponded to (but this is not specified for all questions).
But of course you can be dyspraxic without autism and be autistic without being dyspraxic.
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Some people with autism ARE actually coordinated and athletic. There are professional athletes with autism.
Of course, but if you had pay attention to the report, you will see that clumsiness is not particularly indicated as an autism trait but more as a possible dyspraxia disorder. You can also be an athlete by being dyspraxic. I've done archery myself, but that doesn't make me someone who knows how to cut meat and vegetables, and doing my shoes.
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And forgive me if recently I have not been VERY agitated; only slightly agitated. And then those questions that start with: "People tell you..."The answers to these questions are largely a function if you have been around enough people who would actually point these things out to you. So my zeros or 1s for these kind of questions bring my score down closer to NT. The test is not accurate. Nothing beats a complete evaluation by a doctor of psychology specializing in autism, not to mention that the family members were not the least surprised when they learned of my diagnosis.

I absolutely agree with you and you don’t have to be forgiven.
In fact, I am near from your opinion and I understand you, I didn’t answer to "People tell you … " because I don’t know enough people because of my depression.
I never did this test before and I was thinking it was again some irrelevant test from Internet … and in fact, I try to open my mind over other possibilities (I am quite bad at this so I hate debates on politics when you have to be good at stormbraining or giving theories) and I would think it is just a screening test for neuroatypical traits, nothing more, nothing less.

I have also been a fervent attacker of self-diagnosis in the past.
But now I know I did gatekeeping to people who didn’t have the luck to get a diagnosis and it is unfair.



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10 Aug 2023, 1:03 pm

I also want to add that the Aspie test is actually accurate for those with a bunch of stereotypical autism traits, or "neuro-spicy."

But for non-spicy Autistics such as myself, not so accurate.

The Aspie quiz will calculate a high probability for autism if you have all those iconic traits such as funny walk, odd voice, you stunk at sports in childhood and still can't run in a straight line, feel ill among bright lights and melt down in crowds. Now tack all these ticked 2's onto all the 1's for the less iconic indicators for autism, and you end up with an 80% chance of being autistic.

Since my diagnosis I've been around lots and lots of HFA's and ONLY A HANDFUL have an odd voice or peculiar gait. The vast majority can walk straight, swing their arms, effortlessly pluck coins out of a wallet, drive and sound quite typical when talking.

In summary, the Aspie quiz will nab spicy autistics but filter out bland autistics.

My score would've crossed the line into suspicion for autism had some of those oddball questions been replaced with, for instance, "You'll spend hours overthinking and re-enacting negative social interactions," or "People are amazed at your attention to detail," or:

1 You've played the same pop tune 12 times in a row
2 You've never understood pop culture, things "being in style" or why people jump onto the latest trend
3 You've never understood why people can't just get down to business in meetings instead of spending the first 15 minutes small talking
4 You don't worry what people think if you're wearing something that's "out of style."
5 You've had a very unusual, what would be considered abnormal or obsessive, attachment to at least one type of inanimate object.
6 You're very bothered by odors that other people don't seem to notice



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11 Aug 2023, 2:40 am

Elgee wrote:
I also want to add that the Aspie test is actually accurate for those with a bunch of stereotypical autism traits, or "neuro-spicy."


Some stereotypical traits are indeed in the test, but also many that are not.

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But for non-spicy Autistics such as myself, not so accurate.

The Aspie quiz will calculate a high probability for autism if you have all those iconic traits such as funny walk, odd voice, you stunk at sports in childhood and still can't run in a straight line, feel ill among bright lights and melt down in crowds. Now tack all these ticked 2's onto all the 1's for the less iconic indicators for autism, and you end up with an 80% chance of being autistic.

Since my diagnosis I've been around lots and lots of HFA's and ONLY A HANDFUL have an odd voice or peculiar gait. The vast majority can walk straight, swing their arms, effortlessly pluck coins out of a wallet, drive and sound quite typical when talking.


Well, you often can observe this is autistics, but not always. :-)

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In summary, the Aspie quiz will nab spicy autistics but filter out bland autistics.

My score would've crossed the line into suspicion for autism had some of those oddball questions been replaced with, for instance, "You'll spend hours overthinking and re-enacting negative social interactions," or "People are amazed at your attention to detail," or:

1 You've played the same pop tune 12 times in a row
2 You've never understood pop culture, things "being in style" or why people jump onto the latest trend
3 You've never understood why people can't just get down to business in meetings instead of spending the first 15 minutes small talking
4 You don't worry what people think if you're wearing something that's "out of style."
5 You've had a very unusual, what would be considered abnormal or obsessive, attachment to at least one type of inanimate object.
6 You're very bothered by odors that other people don't seem to notice


OK, I'll check them. Feel free to add more you feel is typical of "bland autistics". I cannot guarantee that they will become part of the test, but if they receive a lot more positive responses in the atypical group compared to the typical, then they would quality.

Attention to detail is one of those "stereotypical traits", but it works poorly and "noting patterns" is much better. So, I won't test this again.



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11 Aug 2023, 3:11 am

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It's not that I have NT traits, as much as I don't have certain autistic traits such as meltdowns and some others that were asked of.


I don't have meltdowns either, but I can effectively "shut down" the environment when I need to focus on a problem. Something that actually is quite useful.

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However, some of the traits being asked of seem more schizophrenic than autistic, such as the question about thinking people could hear your thoughts. That's a schizophrenic trait, not autistic, and there were several others like that,


Schizotypal and autistic actually have a large overlap, so any schizotypal trait will qualify as autistic if you use populations with autistic traits that are undiagnosed.

Actually, these traits are important for ND relationships.

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and there were other stereotypical autistic traits such as "Do you like to spin?" Well, spinning makes me dizzy so I answered zero.


I enjoy spinning, and I basically never get dizzy. I can spin all the time in a dance for five minutes easily. Very enjoyable. :-)



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11 Aug 2023, 8:52 am

Shutdowns: What I meant was a period of literally being non-functioning. If you're shutting down the environiment in order to hyperfocus, that's, as you said, a strength, a great ability, and just the opposite of being non-functioning. A true shutdown: speech often impossible; lie in bed all day or sit in chair like a zombie all day; only leaving it for basic functions such as bathroom or drinking water; may take days to recover from.

Spinning: How about rewording that as follows: "Other than when ice skating or on roller skates, you love to spin."

Because an NT who ice or roller skates often loves to spin; it's part of these sports. But spinning at Walmart, at airports, or around the house? Seems more like a stim.

Other "bland" traits:

1) A fervent need to rehearse future conversations.
2) Eye contact may not be uncomfortable, but is often distracting while simultaneously talking to someone.
3) When in conversation with newly met people, you've noticed every so often they suddenly seem put off by you, but you can't figure out what you said to cause this.
4) You wear literally the same clothes every day around the house, but may have a large variety of clothes in your closet.
5) You have winter coats that are over 20 years old.
6) The sound of children loudly playing outside while you're inside your house is extremely distracting to the point you run a fan to conceal it, especially if they shriek.
7) You feel a need to sniff food before eating it, outside the realm of making sure it's spiced just right.
8) When someone says they get lonely under certain circumstances, you can't understand why, such as someone saying they'd get lonely if they worked from home or had a single room in a college dormitory.
9) You have an amazing memory of many details of your early childhood.
10) You often fantasize of how great the world would be if it were mostly Vulcan.



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11 Aug 2023, 9:29 am

It is interesting. I am curious because I don’t know what are autistic traits except for the most obvious ones (swinging, meltdowns, echolalia, stims).

Is having difficulty remembering smells or judging them an autistic trait?
I know that my most present stim is this one: I sniff everything and for a very long time and in a repetitive way. Even the things that are supposed to stink.

Maybe I am just a dog :lol: .



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11 Aug 2023, 9:32 am

Sniffing things for a very long time and in a repetitive way, including thinks that stink, sounds like stimming. Stimming can be done with any of the five senses. However, if you sniff a lot because you think it brings you good luck or PREVENTS bad luck, this sounds more like OCD rather than self-regulation (stimming).



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11 Aug 2023, 9:35 am

Oh that’s interesting. Thank you.

No, I don't think at all that this will bring me good luck or preventing bad luck. Truth be told, I have no idea why I'm doing this.



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11 Aug 2023, 12:58 pm

Sniffing might relate to stims, but it more likely is the same thing as when a dog sniff. It relates to tracking. Enjoying spinning is likely a hunting trait too.

I'll be back with the results tomorrow, but I can already see that some are good while others are not. Liking to wear out of style cloth doesn't work.



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11 Aug 2023, 1:08 pm

Checkbox wrote:
It is interesting. I am curious because I don’t know what are autistic traits except for the most obvious ones (swinging, meltdowns, echolalia, stims).

Is having difficulty remembering smells or judging them an autistic trait?
I know that my most present stim is this one: I sniff everything and for a very long time and in a repetitive way. Even the things that are supposed to stink.

Maybe I am just a dog :lol: .


What do you mean by "remembering smells"?

You mean you dont remember what smell is what? Like mom told me that "that smell coming from cat box is mildew", and then months later I told a friend "your basement has mildew" because it had the same smell. Are you saying that you wouldnt be able to ID mildew months after you were taught to recognize it if you smelled it again?

In most humans smells is actually connected in the brain to memory. A scent can bring back a flood of memories in most folks.