Should people with Aspergers be able to own guns?

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03 Nov 2007, 6:52 pm

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That's discrimination to say Aspies should not be able to own guns because some guy with Aspergers shot someone. That is like saying that all the cases of NT's shooting someone should prevent them from ever owning a gun.


True, but I simply am against guns for private individuals. Gun should be in the hands of trained people like cops and other people responsable for safety in society. I am against private people being able to possess guns. Aspie or NT, I don't care, unless he is a policeman or a security worker he should not possess guns.

The American rules where people can just buy guns even if they don't work in the police or security industry, is something me and many Europeans don't understand. In Europe it is unthinkable that private persons can buy guns, and thank god for that. I would feel very unsafe if Europe would introduce the same weapon laws as the USA, I would not feel comfortable at all with the idea that every single person can own a gun.

I hope the Americans realise someday as well that guns cause more harm than they prevent harm. Ban the laws allowing gun possession, and leave guns to those who are trained and paid for keeping the streets safe: policemen and army staff.


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03 Nov 2007, 7:03 pm

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That's discrimination to say Aspies should not be able to own guns because some guy with Aspergers shot someone. That is like saying that all the cases of NT's shooting someone should prevent them from ever owning a gun.


I'm willing to bet you can find more cases of NT's shooting people than you can find cases of Aspies doing the same. WHy not research it, and go public :D



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03 Nov 2007, 8:09 pm

Well, this matter is decided by one fact alone. Is there a higher ratio of gun murders committed by people with Asperger's Syndrome? If not, there should be no difference between us and everyone else in this matter...

I think it's fairly reasonable to deny shooting licenses to any given person for any given reason. Guns are very rarely productive. I'd probably do the same if I was the Australian police officer, but if I set aside my pacifistic ideals, well, I think it's senseless and irrational to discriminate against people with ASD unless they have symptoms bordering on dangerous already. Like night terrors or the inability to recognize faces.

By the way, water guns aren't really hydro-powered... Just hydroballistic. :D



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03 Nov 2007, 8:34 pm

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Should people with AS be allowed to have a gun?


I am against the right to possess weapons.


Weapons made for none other purpose than killing other humans should be owned by no one (especially guns).
Although I don't mind that people have a few antiques for decoration. Like a samurai sword or something.



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03 Nov 2007, 8:35 pm

crackedpleasures wrote:
thyme wrote:
That's discrimination to say Aspies should not be able to own guns because some guy with Aspergers shot someone. That is like saying that all the cases of NT's shooting someone should prevent them from ever owning a gun.


True, but I simply am against guns for private individuals. Gun should be in the hands of trained people like cops and other people responsable for safety in society. I am against private people being able to possess guns. Aspie or NT, I don't care, unless he is a policeman or a security worker he should not possess guns.

The American rules where people can just buy guns even if they don't work in the police or security industry, is something me and many Europeans don't understand. In Europe it is unthinkable that private persons can buy guns, and thank god for that. I would feel very unsafe if Europe would introduce the same weapon laws as the USA, I would not feel comfortable at all with the idea that every single person can own a gun.

I hope the Americans realise someday as well that guns cause more harm than they prevent harm. Ban the laws allowing gun possession, and leave guns to those who are trained and paid for keeping the streets safe: policemen and army staff.

The American Right to bare arms come from the founders of our nation recognizing that unjust governments need to be overthrown, sometimes by force. What do Europeans do with their unjust governments? I suppose they believe that their rulers were always right and always will be or wait for someone else to take care of it.

Our police would love to have guns taken away. And they find every reason to do so. But only for citizens. Most of them have private arms. Mental disorders would be another convenient reason.



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03 Nov 2007, 10:35 pm

I'm an aspie and I have lots of guns and my arsenal grows every passing year. They are my obsession and I'm not going to change that. I study them, shoot them, reload my own ammunition for some of them, and have a concealed carry permit. I'm also a range safety officer at one of the gun clubs in this area. Those of you whom have issues with any of that can go stick your heads in a gas oven. I don't give a $h!t.

So yes, I do beleive in the right to be armed. Aspies and NT's alike. If the day should come that I no longer hold that belief then I'll stick my head in the oven because I'll no longer be worthy of using up valuable oxygen.

Some of you really need to get a grip and move on already.



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03 Nov 2007, 11:29 pm

If am having my worst meltdown and there is a loaded gun sitting on the table I would pick it up and throw it out the window with as much force as I could muster rather than use for the purpose it was designed for; just like any other loose object. But I know of some of my most intimate NT's I live with would not hesitate to shoot someone especially me if I was having a meltdown. That is why I would not like to share a house with some belligerent NT that owns a gun.



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03 Nov 2007, 11:46 pm

I'm not pro-gun and don't own a gun. I just think it's wrong for the law to forbid people with Aspergers from owning a gun for protection or a hobby. It makes us all seem as potential mass murders by the public. It is unfair and makes all Aspies look bad.


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04 Nov 2007, 7:11 pm

I think having a gun in my case would be a bad thing. I have a list. A gun would eliminate that list very quickly. Prolly should stay out of the licensing office. Yep....


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04 Nov 2007, 8:56 pm

I would not trust my younger NT sister with a loaded gun in the house because I am sure she would not hesitate to use it.



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04 Nov 2007, 9:32 pm

Why do you want a gun?

1. You don't have to kill your food.
2. You don't need a gun to defend your home, a steel bar is much more effective
3. I'm assuming you're not going to go out and blow anyone away.


I carried an M 16 for a couple of years. (a long time ago), and as soon as we left Vietnam, I turned it in, and I've never felt the need to own another one. If I want to kill someone, I assure you, I know how to do it with a rock.

For an old man, I'm also pretty good at running very fast in the opposite direction. The great thing, if your in the situation, is to avoid combat, because it's risky. Which doesn't mean there aren't other ways to accomplish what you want to do.



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05 Nov 2007, 5:40 am

Why would you even want a gun in the first place??

I would NEVER condone anyone owning a gun other than the authorities who are properly trained to use them.

As for should an aspie own one - well I know that I would be incredibly worried if my son ever came across a gun, and yes more worried than if he was NT. The reason for this is because of the meltdowns that he has. He crosses a line and becomes a completely irrational person that I don't recognise and it's during these periods, where he has literally no self control, that I would be incredibly worried if he had access to a gun.



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05 Nov 2007, 6:10 am

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...other than the authorities who are properly trained to use them.


Ha, they're the ones who scare me, for the simple reason that police and other executive officers have been the most poorly "trained" individuals I've seen.



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05 Nov 2007, 6:29 am

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lola1 wrote:
...other than the authorities who are properly trained to use them.


Ha, they're the ones who scare me, for the simple reason that police and other executive officers have been the most poorly "trained" individuals I've seen.


I agree to some extent but you have to be able to put your trust in these people and BELIEVE that they know what they're doing. There is a minority of idiots in every profession - Doctors, Teachers, Police, Politicians (well there's a majority of idiots there!) - hopefully the ones that are poorly trained are few and far between. I need to believe that.



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05 Nov 2007, 7:47 pm

Some of you seem to think that only the military and law enforcement agencies should have firearms.

For starters that's big step in the direction of becoming a police state.

The government does not exist to protect you and serve your needs. It exists to protect itself and further its development and power. If you get anything out of it in the form of protection, be it real or imagined, it's only a byproduct of the government's underlying need to have control.

It's YOUR job to protect you and yours. You care (or should care) a lot more about your security than any government entity. They'll show up after the fact and do an investigation that may or may not lead to an arrest and conviction. You'll still be dead, though.

Government is a necessary evil but it should not be trusted with your personal life and security.

The notion that only the authorities have the training and competence to be armed is another overused falsehood.
Many of the topnotch LEO's and military spec-ops troops get training from civilian training centers like Thunder Ranch, Gun Site, LFI, and Blackwater to name a few.
As a range officer at a local gun club I can assure you that our best and most competent shooters are not LEO's and we have at least two LE agencies that train there.
And, no, we at the gun club are not a bunch of fat old drunken rednecks either. That's another stereotype that seems to be prevalent in the non-shooting world.

If you don't feel mentally able to own a firearm that's fine. You have your reasons and I can respect that. Just don't dictate to others that they should not be allowed to own them.

I’ve had a few pretty bad meltdowns in the presence of more than one loaded gun here at home and have never even come close to doing anything stupid. Why? Because even during those terrible times I know I’ll be held responsible and I know I’ll be giving the shooting community a black eye that we don't need.
Even as someone that suffers from Aspergers Syndrome I at least I have a grip on the important things like accountability and responsibility.



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05 Nov 2007, 8:36 pm

Raptor,

Are you aware that if you look at towns on the US/Canada border (ie towns that pretty much border each other), with similar population sizes, the ones in Canada with stricter gun control laws have significantly less gun crime than the ones in the US. I know the rhetoric would rather have you believe its opposite, sayin criminals would be afraid to commit crimes if they thought victims have guns, but the facts don't back that logic up. (or at least they didn't in 2000 when I did this research, its possible that its changed now)