Why do ppl base intelligence on IQ scores?

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09 Dec 2007, 3:41 am

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Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

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09 Dec 2007, 8:34 am

KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

Carl Sagan was an avid user of Cannabis...he actually wrote about his experience in a paper under a pseudonym. He claimed it actually improved the quality of his work.

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09 Dec 2007, 9:56 am

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KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

Carl Sagan was an avid user of Cannabis...he actually wrote about his experience in a paper under a pseudonym. He claimed it actually improved the quality of his work.

Thank you. I was too lazy to go searching for examples, so I'm glad you could recall one. There are hoards of intelligent and highly respected people and professionals that smoke pot. Mind you, we're not talking about people who use it to "get f***ed up" or anything. I just know from smoking it myself that it can have amazing effects for attention span problems, which actually used to help me do A LOT better in school. It also helps me slow down my racing thoughts long enough to concentrate on a good movie, or even just fall asleep without laying in bed for 3 hours. Not to mention it's amazing for my back pain.

Woo pot.

And as for drinking, Jesus asked us to drink wine. What now? What did you say about Jesus? Yeah, that's what I thought.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:01 am

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I think the problem is with the way our parents educated us. They told us so many times we should not drink or do drugs that we now associate those activities with failing at life. Same with school. "Go to school or fail at life."

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09 Dec 2007, 10:14 am

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Agreed. I think society dooms people to fail because of the mindset we have with these sorts of things. The real message to kids should be that no matter what happens, you can always redeem yourself and succeed. Not "do what we tell you or you're screwed."

I just really hope that someday the stigma surrounding pot will be lifted as people become more aware and accepting of the amazing and best of all, NATURAL effects of pot. None of that chemical "I don't know what the hell this blue pill does but I'm prescribed to it so I'll take it" bull.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:36 am

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As for worth, or success, it would be NICE if a simple test, such as one to determine IQ, could determine that. I don't think anyone here has claimed that. I certainly haven't.

What's the point of replying that to me?
I haven't even addressed the implications of iq.
My post only stems from the fact that there exists iq bragging - meaning that whatever you have or have not claimed or whether everyone agrees with you on that point is unrelated.

Sorry, I should have put QFT or something else there to make it clearer, but I agreed with everything you said.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:37 am

Phagocyte wrote:

KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

Carl Sagan was an avid user of Cannabis...he actually wrote about his experience in a paper under a pseudonym. He claimed it actually improved the quality of his work.

Dave Matthews, who is perhaps the most intelligent songwriter alive today, is the same way.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:47 am

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Phagocyte wrote:

KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

Carl Sagan was an avid user of Cannabis...he actually wrote about his experience in a paper under a pseudonym. He claimed it actually improved the quality of his work.

Dave Matthews, who is perhaps the most intelligent songwriter alive today, is the same way.

That's awesome. I didn't know that.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:50 am

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Possibly the best argument against obsessions with IQ scores is the person with highest IQ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant

Besides the fact that she have highest known IQ,there is nothing more about her.
By IQ definition,she is genius,but only thing that is genial about her is the fact that she have genial IQ.

P.S

I never met any person on internet forums that didn't claimed IQ lower then 130,and I know for fact that they are liars,since less then 10% of people statistically have this IQ.

For more critical approach to this subject,read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mismeasure_of_Man

Frankly, and I am not the first to say this, I question her IQ. And she is the EPITOME of how an high IQ doesn't indicate success, etc.. She even refers to one of her positions like it an accomplishment, and she is married to the guy! It is ODD tat you should use her as an example of someone tat says IQ doesn't mean much when she has bragged about it so much, etc.

As for the claims, a lot may be lying. Still, some HAVE claimed lower IQs! Many here were below 130, and some were even below 100! Still, I KNOW you didn't get mail from EVERYONE, or even most. So your assertions about the necessary veracity of their claims is ALSO wrong.

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09 Dec 2007, 10:56 am

KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

I view relying on outside sources(namely drugs) to solve peoples problems as a form of personal intellectual weakness.

It doesn't necessarily make them stupid; but it does make them weaker of mind for the time being than those who don't rely on drugs.

That has nothing to do with what society has said(In fact, society says drinking is OKAY; but smoking as bad). So please don't misinterpret my post into thinking I am a white cattle.

That has always been my opinion and it's not going to change.

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09 Dec 2007, 11:05 am

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And as for drinking, Jesus asked us to drink wine. What now? What did you say about Jesus? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I'm atheist so saying "Well, Jesus said so and he is always right" doesn't really apply to me.

And some book tells me that Jesus drank wine; like I said- Cattle and sheep.

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09 Dec 2007, 11:06 am

Brian003 wrote:

KristaMeth wrote:

Brian003 wrote:

Why do you drink? Why do you smoke weed? Who do you base all of your decisions a on things that people with lower IQ(And who you have declared as stupid) have set out for you.

I resent the fact that you're going to lump drinkers or pot smokers in with "unintelligent" people.

I get so tired of hearing people call drugs "problem solvers". You can't just lump all drug use into a category like that. Do you feel the same about people who take prescription medication?

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09 Dec 2007, 11:09 am

Brian003 wrote:

KristaMeth wrote:

And as for drinking, Jesus asked us to drink wine. What now? What did you say about Jesus? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I'm atheist so saying "Well, Jesus said so and he is always right" doesn't really apply to me.

And some book tells me that Jesus drank wine; like I said- Cattle and sheep.

I was joking anyway. I'm agnostic.

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09 Dec 2007, 11:12 am

What exactly is the point of arguing about why drugs are bad with someone who so obviously like their pot?

Of course you're not going to agree with me.

In your case; I doubt that their is much of a difference between prescription medication and non-prescription medication.

It doesn't matter what I say because no matter what I post is going to offend you anyway.

But just for kicks- The difference is that prescription medication is suppose to help people. So is non-prescription medication. Just in a very different way.

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09 Dec 2007, 11:12 am

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IQ tests are a flawed concept. Many people don't understand the questions, wheras if they did, they'd arrive at correct answers. IQ tests label and brand children and due to a low score, their intellectual growth in areas they might excel could be stunted after being placed in remedial classes simply because the test never determined that they were good in these areas even if they were demonstrating skills well above their developmental level outside of the test setting. IQ tests have a racial bias due to the nature of many of the questions as well; exposure to the topics that 'crystallized intelligence' measures are heavily dependent upon factors such as socio-economic status.

I don't agree with the racial bias concept. Even if you are talking about exposure, there are a LOT of blacks and Asians that have more exposure than the average white. I agree with, and should have said, the rest that you said.

Just yesterday, I tried a puzzle book, based loosely on IQ tests. A couple were obscure that almost required looking for the problem. One wasn't rendered properly. One was one I got right with a DIFFERENT answer! A couple I STILL don't know about.

In case you are curious, I still got a 134 in it. I got almost every other one right. Yeah, I know, it doesn't mean anything(Even the book states plainly that it doesn't), I am just saying. Still, it shows problems IQ tests can have even if they test the right stuff.

Also, I got the puzzle book ONLY to have some fun, and get better, NOT to test my IQ, brag, etc...

Just a few days ago, a coworker was talking at a meeting, and said a prospective employer gave her an IQ test. Everyone was startled! I mean our jobs are not rocket science! A person with an average IQ could EASILY do them. Conversely, some geniuses could easily FAIL MISERABLY! References and past work success are better indicators of success than an IQ test!

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09 Dec 2007, 11:13 am

I take IQ tests with a pinch of salt.

I have a high IQ, but that means nothing to me. I couldn't really care less, and to be honest, it doesn't mean you're going to have great intelligence when it comes to social situations, or compassion, or a particular area (for example, despite my high IQ I suck at maths), or artistic ability, or athleticism, or whatever.

I really couldn't care less about what IQ you have; it's who you are and what you do that shows the real score imo.

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