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foresam
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13 Dec 2007, 8:15 am

Macallan,
Accepting brain damage is accepting defeat. If you were cured, you'd never hear those insults again, would you. You wouldn't need a haven to whine about your condition.

Pandora,
Autism is never genetic. It can seem that way since many babies were poisoned as soon as they were born with the HepB shot. Now, the flu shot is poisoning fetuses so parents never see a normal child. I can see how some people believe this crap.
The fact is that autism never existed before 1931 when Eli Lilly began poisoning us. If any of you people who accept brain damage actually had a high IQ, you'd be filing suit against the drug companies who caused your lives to be screwed up. I'm on your side. Sue the bastards who caused your problems.



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13 Dec 2007, 9:01 am

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Macallan,
Accepting brain damage is accepting defeat. If you were cured, you'd never hear those insults again, would you. You wouldn't need a haven to whine about your condition.

Well, aren't you just a cheeky beggar? FYI I don't whine about my 'condition'. I don't have a 'condition', I'm on the autism spectrum just as you (apparently) are on the NT spectrum. Do you consider yourself to have an NT 'condition'? Would you be insulted if I suggested that you are brain-damaged and need a cure to free you from the awfulness of being trapped in an NT mind? What do you say to NT's who don't conform to the NT stereotype? Do you call them brain damaged, too?

By 'haven' I mean a place where I don't have to be a pretend NT to make myself understood and accepted, a place where I can drop my guard and be myself. This is not me whining about my 'condition' but a statement of fact about life as a minority living amongst a majority with little tolerance for difference.

Okay, I'll spell it out again, I am not brain-damaged. Rather, I appreciate the world on a different (and I would say heightened, more interesting) level than you. Please take your hypothetical twaddle of cures and snake-oil back to Autism Speaks.



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13 Dec 2007, 9:03 am

foresam wrote:
Macallan,
Accepting brain damage is accepting defeat. If you were cured, you'd never hear those insults again, would you. You wouldn't need a haven to whine about your condition.

Pandora,
Autism is never genetic. It can seem that way since many babies were poisoned as soon as they were born with the HepB shot. Now, the flu shot is poisoning fetuses so parents never see a normal child. I can see how some people believe this crap.
The fact is that autism never existed before 1931 when Eli Lilly began poisoning us. If any of you people who accept brain damage actually had a high IQ, you'd be filing suit against the drug companies who caused your lives to be screwed up. I'm on your side. Sue the bastards who caused your problems.
My dad was born in 1903 and he showed autistic traits, as did other relatives born before 1931 so your theory is blown right out of the water.

All this rubbish about vaccinations causing autism is so yesterday.


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13 Dec 2007, 9:06 am

i agree, i dont know what foreskin is tallking about but there are probable aspies in my family born in the 1920s at least...

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13 Dec 2007, 9:08 am

I think he might be in the middle of a very large river in Egypt - De Nile.


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13 Dec 2007, 9:20 am

zen_mistress wrote:
i agree, i dont know what foreskin is tallking about but there are probable aspies in my family born in the 1920s at least...

C


Personally, I have NEVER met a foreskin that was capable of making sense anyway...and they aren't really in a position to understand much about brains at all...

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13 Dec 2007, 9:28 am

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Personally, I have NEVER met a foreskin that was capable of making sense anyway...and they aren't really in a position to understand much about brains at all...

M


True :) and this one especially isnt making much sense.


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13 Dec 2007, 9:43 am

foresam wrote:
The fact is that autism never existed before 1931...


This is hardly a fact. The word "autism" didn't exist before 1931, and since then the definition has broadened to include what were previously considered as other mental illnesses. Go back and research the number of mental diseases prior to 1931, and compare the ratios to the standards since 1931. Since the term was coined, many who would have been diagnosed with some mental disease have been diagnosed instead with "autistic personality disorder" thus causing the numbers of autistic children to seemingly rise. Fast forward a few decades to 1994, when Asperger's Syndrome was first recognized in the DSM. Children who were "somewhat different" but did not fully meet the criteria for full-blown autism are now being diagnosed with a form of higher functioning autism. Naturally, the occurrence of autism in children seems to rise again.

Autism and AS are not new occurrences that started showing up immediately before the terms were coined. They've been around for quite awhile, they just didn't have a name.

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If any of you people who accept brain damage actually had a high IQ, you'd be filing suit against the drug companies who caused your lives to be screwed up.


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When those brain damaged kids recover from autism, none of them ask to revert to being autistic. Having a brain that works right is better than having a defective brain. You all should try it. You'll be much better off.


Firstly, taking up a suit against the drug companies, and the FDA with no hard evidence that vaccines actually cause autism, and not merely symptoms that mimic autism would be silly and a complete waste of time. Not to mention the burden of proving that someone with autism is autistic because of drugs and not some other factor makes it impossible to really put together a valid case argument.

Second, autism is not "brain damage" as you so succinctly put it. It's a neurological difference in the way the brain is formed. The key word being difference. Show me the "brain damaged kids" that were cured of autism. If such a cure exists, then there would be no need for research groups like Autism Speaks, and the whole argument becomes moot. There isn't a cure for autism, nor should there be. The problem is the rest of the world trying to force us to be like them. That's what needs to be cured.

I wasn't vaccinated until well after three years old. Don't ask me why, I don't know the reasons. I've always had Asperger's Syndrome, and my IQ is over 141 (I haven't bothered to take the tests that range higher than that). My life has been difficult, but not because of my AS. It's been difficult because other people try to force me to be like them.

I've just had an epiphany. So many people are trying to force Auties and Aspies alike to be more "neuro-typical" while so few actually try to understand us. We're forced to learn things virtually impossible for many of us, such as communicating with them in a way that makes them comfortable, and social behaviors that really are meaningless, and prohibited from behaving in ways that are "unacceptable" yet harmful to no one. If we're so "damaged" or inferior, why don't neuro-typical people try to communicate with us on our level instead of trying to "raise" us to their standard?



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13 Dec 2007, 9:56 am

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Second, autism is not "brain damage" as you so succinctly put it. It's a neurological difference in the way the brain is formed. The key word being difference. Show me the "brain damaged kids" that were cured of autism. If such a cure exists, then there would be no need for research groups like Autism Speaks, and the whole argument becomes moot. There isn't a cure for autism, nor should there be. The problem is the rest of the world trying to force us to be like them. That's what needs to be cured.

....

I've just had an epiphany. So many people are trying to force Auties and Aspies alike to be more "neuro-typical" while so few actually try to understand us. We're forced to learn things virtually impossible for many of us, such as communicating with them in a way that makes them comfortable, and social behaviors that really are meaningless, and prohibited from behaving in ways that are "unacceptable" yet harmful to no one. If we're so "damaged" or inferior, why don't neuro-typical people try to communicate with us on our level instead of trying to "raise" us to their standard?

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13 Dec 2007, 10:15 am

Another slogan: "Autism speaks - UTTER NONSENSE".


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13 Dec 2007, 11:06 am

Coming up with a PC name for brain damage by calling it a neurological difference doesn't change the fact that those who are so screwed up that they had a label put on them need some help. You've bought the propaganda.

That neurological difference is mercury killing your brain cells and fouling up processes that make you abnormal. I come here to help you and you call me names. That's OK, because if any of you are smart enough to listen to me, you might be cured and you will be able to enjoy your lives. You will be able to look back on this idiotic cult and, perhaps, help rescue others who have bought into this nonsense.

Some of you are stupid enough to try to argue with me about autism existing before 1931. You've read this garbage someplace and have come to believe it. Do you honestly think that the world was so out to lunch back then that they would not have recognized children who smeared feces and couldn't talk as something distinctly different from any other form of abnormal development? Those children never existed. It is only propaganda experts who try to sell you this BS so you do not rise up against the drug companies and demand to be compensated for your brain injuries. Are any of you smart enough to realize this?



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13 Dec 2007, 11:09 am

zen_mistress wrote:
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Personally, I have NEVER met a foreskin that was capable of making sense anyway...and they aren't really in a position to understand much about brains at all...

M


True :) and this one especially isnt making much sense.


Just checked his profile, he is a male NT, poor pet...we should probably try to be more circumcised in our dealings with him in future?
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13 Dec 2007, 11:20 am

Hi Folks,

foresam = http://hatingautism.blogspot.com

Notorious bad guy. Shunned by most parents. Causes all kinds of trouble.



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13 Dec 2007, 11:21 am

Soopervilin wrote:
I've just had an epiphany. So many people are trying to force Auties and Aspies alike to be more "neuro-typical" while so few actually try to understand us. We're forced to learn things virtually impossible for many of us, such as communicating with them in a way that makes them comfortable, and social behaviors that really are meaningless, and prohibited from behaving in ways that are "unacceptable" yet harmful to no one. If we're so "damaged" or inferior, why don't neuro-typical people try to communicate with us on our level instead of trying to "raise" us to their standard?


I just want to repeat that because it a SO IMPORTANT...if we can manage to accept them and tie ourselves in knots trying to live with them on their terms, why can't they accept us and try to make it easy for us?

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13 Dec 2007, 11:27 am

littlebopeep wrote:
Hi Folks,

foresam = http://hatingautism.blogspot.com

Notorious bad guy. Shunned by most parents. Causes all kinds of trouble.


A foreskin with it's own blogspot???

WOW!! I am impressed...

But not by the content...it's just gratuitous nastiness...

ALEX!! ! C'm'ere to me...can he be banned? Or summarily executed? Or or strapped to an A frame wearing a ball gag or something?

Or is he our Christmas turkey and we have to put up with him until the time comes?

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13 Dec 2007, 11:34 am

Mechanima,
Banning me won't alter the truth.
Nutjobs like Li'l Bo Peep like to call me names because I interfere with their deranged agenda of allowing children to suffer. I'm a good guy who tells the truth about mercury and how to cure autism.

It's notable that you try to insult me but can not present any arguments against what I've said. I guess that makes you a simpleton.