Does Accepting Your Aspergers appear EVIL to people?

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22 Dec 2007, 7:14 am

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what Im saying is, IN a liberal society, more and more, the fundamental qualities of being human are emphasised as being EMOTIONAL and SOCIABLE, and less of an emphasis is placed on being INTELLIGENT.

So those people who think that tbheyre being Liberal and progressive in emphasizing the importance of emotion and sociability, Can sometimes be cold and innapropriate in their views and contempt for people with aspergers.

I hate to say this, but some people see aspergers people as nothing more than machines. And these people have no qualms about their views as they feel they are being liberal and humain.

But surely its more humain to accept all people because they are HUMANS, regardless of their biological diffrences?


What you have perceived from some other people is totally accurate! Thank you for reminding me why I always feel like I'm treated like a machine by people rather than another human being like them! :wink:

Also, thanks for the reminder as to why intelligence seems to feel like it's worth less as time goes by (it's because it is!)!


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22 Dec 2007, 8:38 pm

Do people think I'm evil for my AS characteristics? Over the years I have been called a jerk, a------ and other names and for having anti-social behavior. In truth I really didn't know what people were talking about, so increasingly I just wanted to be left alone. I suppose I was thought of as a bad person, but really I just wanted to be left alone and nothing more.

I often just got plain sick and tired of being called a jerk and all that, so I tuned out and didn't care.

Nowadays I still have many AS traits that I struggle with. That's just the way life is, but my problems have been more overcome and I'm doing better.

I just hated it, when people would pressure me to socialize. That was the worst.



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22 Dec 2007, 8:51 pm

Ipunes wrote:
OK, Firstly I would like to say, I in know way think that people with aspergers are evil or that any traits of aspergers are evil.


Um... know = verb, to know. You really mean "no" as in the negating particle.

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What I am saying is:

Many people (particularly artistic emotional types) veiw some of the traits of Aspergers as Evil and bad to posses.

For example, If they view aspies as having Less EMPATHY, Less Complex EMOTIONS, as being less able to nurture somone, and even souless.


We are less empathetic, but that doesn't mean that we are inclined to be less concerned or helpful. Our emotions are just as complex, but they don't surface with immediacy as with others. Soulless? That's more determined by actions that feelings.

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Im sure in the past people probably believe the above more, but some people still have this backward view and hatred of people with aspergers and particularly those with aspergers who are not in conflict wiht themselves.

Are aspies meant to forever live in conflict wiht themselves and veiw themselves as not Human enough and strive to be more Emotional and 'human'?

Or are they surely allowed to accept themselves and try to be happy and good people just like the rest of society, only in a slightly different way?


Life is a struggle for everyone, but for Aspies it is a greater struggle in some ways. Frankly one shouldn't let criticism get him or her down, but deal with things as they come up. I've had to put up with a lot of antagonism and antipathy thrown at me and told that I'm the "bad guy." F--- you came my increasing response. When I was allowed to gradually interact more with others, that changed.

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Modern society seems to accept people with Mental Retardation and down syndrome, because despite their low intelligence, They are still seen has having the full complexe range of emotions and able to connect and socialize in a 'normal' way.


No necessarily. Their problems are more obvious and can more illicit sympathy from others and can be allowed to socialize in a more regular way via gradual improvement rather than the usual chastising.

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An over praisal on intelligence over emotions/siociability is seen as right wing or even Nazi like. Just think of books like 'Lord of the Flies'. The authoer mocks Piggy who is the insociable type, who relishes science and knowledge.
Piggy is made to look evil and selfish. Only hes not evil or selfish, but is only able to give back to scoiety via scientific discovery, and not through emotion or socializing.

Some people however see aspies as evil, because they are obsessed with 'seemingly' unemotional pursits of knowledge, and are seen by some to lack empathy.


The supposedly malign behavior comes from inappropriate behavior that is not understood and from overreactions to antagonism and an increasing desire to be left alone. Been there, done that.

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Those with aspergers who do Not show any outward feelings of feeling 'less than human' and look like they are making no effort to be more 'human' are looked down upon even more.

I know somebody (an arty type) who is quite hateful of people with aspie qualities and people who seem to be living happily with aspergers in a typical aspergers lifestyle.


Again, I would like to say, none of the above negative views on aspergers are my own, but merley what I have percieved from some other people.


I have been down this road. I got sick and tired of being treated like a bad person, so I just tuned out. People then get mad at you for tuning out and considering you as bad.

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Ultimately, people need to accept that people with Aspergers are biologically different, and that they need to be understood and to some degree helped, but also respected and praised for their unique qualities.
But most imporatantly, not discrimanted against or prejudged.

And to be seen as equally 'humain' as any other human being.


I often to extra work that involves the tedious, monotonous, repetitive work that no one else is willing to do. There are up sides to AS and you can be appreciated for it.



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22 Dec 2007, 8:58 pm

In Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake, autism (especially the high-functioning forms) is used as a metaphor for soullessness, arrogance, and flippant disregard for all things "human". A man with AS eventually destroys the human race out of his radical feelings of superiority.

That is disgusting and misinformed. One does not need to be brimming with emotion to have a healthy mind and contribute to society; one needs only a good feel for proportion, a solid sense of ethics, and the drive to put one's talents to good use. Most people with AS have robust emotional lives, but we express it much differently than NTs. And if I did not love humanity, why would I have any need for philosophy and literature?

A new and nasty stereotype of auties is emerging in books, movies, and NT-to-NT conversations: the fiercely ambitious, heartless computer geek. I have AS and I am a complete type-B personality who certainly has feelings and only uses the computer to access Wrong Planet.



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22 Dec 2007, 9:49 pm

Many people in my lifetime have called me 'evil' or 'demonic'. I am not evil or demonic, let me tell you. My laugh is a little weird, maybe. My eyes can sometimes seem really scary at times (If I'm in a p*ssed-off mood). My reactions to surprises my seem depraved or callous. But, I think that I, even though a lot of people remind me, am not 'evil'. I'm typically for the underdog, or those that are mistreated. I speak up for those who are treated lousy. I just think sometimes it is in vogue to coerce those who are 'unpopular'. When people joke at work and say something stupid, i usually don't react at all, because it is usually at another's expense (or I don't really realize what it means). I'm definately not down for the charade, nor am I for belittling others for righteous self-gratifying, improvization of moral supremacy or how they feel BIG towards others.



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22 Dec 2007, 11:22 pm

I once heard about a little girl who had AS who was sensitive to noise.
Her infant brother was crying. She threw him out of a seven story window.
Ican completly understand her state of mind and the fact she was a child.

Evil should be measured by intent. She did not intend to kill him just make the noise go away, yet I can see how people at large could interpret her as evil.



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22 Dec 2007, 11:33 pm

I really wish I hadn't just read that...... :cry:



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23 Dec 2007, 4:40 am

I've accepted my autism a long time a go and in my eyes, this meant I accepted the fact that I'm not as social as the rest, I don't go to parties and such and so on.
However, I changed fundamentally and I now have the social life of a reasonably popular NT.
And I think to reach this, accepting your Aspergers is key.
Before you can handle a problem, you need to acknowledge it.

The belief that certain traits are 'evil' is short-sighted superficialness and is NOT correct in any way.

Just because an Aspie acts passive, doesn't seem to care for people and so on, doesn't mean he's bad.
It just means you can't see his expression of emotions.
And just because there's no expression of something doesn't mean it's not there!! !



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23 Dec 2007, 6:55 am

WE ARE NOT EVIL.


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23 Dec 2007, 12:46 pm

my family and me dont discuse mental health issues in are family. everyone has something my moms taking effexor because of me, one of my sisters is a junkie/bipolar fruitcake my grandmother f-ed a horse or sucked his peter so she defintly is mentally i'll, and one of my stepdads is a child molester :lol:



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23 Dec 2007, 2:02 pm

Yes it does. Many NTs claim I'm "using my AS as a crutch", "I'm lazy", "I just don't wanna try". All these claims are bulls***! Used to be only Baby Boomer NTs made claims like these. But now all majorities in humanity make claims like these. As a result I can only relate to other Aspies and the Deaf-Blind.

As for the Deaf-Blind, two organizations for the Deaf-Blind have refused to tolerate my symptoms. DBSocial ListServ and OADB (the Ohio Association of the Deaf-Blind). Now I must figure out where in the USA to move to get back with the Deaf-Blind and wait until I have the money to move there. Until then I can only relate to other Aspies :cry:.



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23 Dec 2007, 4:25 pm

AdrianB wrote:
I've accepted my autism a long time a go and in my eyes, this meant I accepted the fact that I'm not as social as the rest, I don't go to parties and such and so on.
However, I changed fundamentally and I now have the social life of a reasonably popular NT.
And I think to reach this, accepting your Aspergers is key.
Before you can handle a problem, you need to acknowledge it.


Wise words Adrian.

A big part of the NT world is about fitting in and immature, unenlightened people can take our inability or unwillingness to conform as a direct challenge to their choice of life. The classic - if you're not with me you're against me view. A sign of deep immaturity.

There is no such thing as evil anyway. It's just another construct born from ignorance and fear.


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23 Dec 2007, 4:28 pm

I have learned to realize that it dosnt matter what other people think. my life used to be ruled by what other people think. Now i am not bothered by it so much.

I would say that yes i have accepted myself and my AS, if other people cant accept me and my AS thhen i would say that it is there problem, and they are ignorant in not accepting me for who i am.

I think it is a very ignorant view to believe that people with AS are evil. anybody can be evil or not evil regardless whether they have AS or not so seriously it is a very ignorant view to take.



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23 Dec 2007, 4:53 pm

NTs that think autistics are evil are evil.

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23 Dec 2007, 7:18 pm

I think the operative word is 'different'...in the sense that 'different' is evil (I hear this all the time on talk radio...but then I listen to both wings and make up my own mind...;)

We're not evil, we're just different. We're more a danger to ourselves than others...so I don't know where folks would be threatened by that. It's usually more contempt or ridicule. Evil implies danger, and most of us aren't that dangerous..



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23 Dec 2007, 11:20 pm

I don't understand where your ideas are really coming from.
I'm an artsy type, emotional and an aspie.
you are saying that aspies are viewed as evil by the artistic people, when in fact those are the type of people that have
acceepted my ideas and my artwork.
as a matter of fact I was rejected by some aspies who are the Science- nerdy type. They wouldn't get me with their narrow way of thinking.
Aspies that think Nts are evil are evil