What do people mean: "Autistics think in pictures"

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11 Feb 2008, 6:20 pm

I have to agree with everyone, we think with what we have.

Cilin Renfrew, an Anthropoligist of note has written a book on the subject of artists and scientists coming up with the same thing, through very different processes.

Like all of the languages, and there have been many, all worked, and before writing, the words were symbols. So much of English makes no sense in English, but in Greek, Latin, German, the word is a picture.

Math is pictures to me, and in machines, it is as polarity says, not the whole but the relationship of each with the next, and I can spot the flawed relationship.

Some troubleshoot from one end to the other, check power, is it plugged in. I run through the system in my head and find a function that matches the problem. Then I can start there, and it usually is there.

There are a lot of ways of seeing, and I think we use them all, but some more and some less.

I am writing a book, I started with one story, but it had conflicts, which showed me that there was more, or I had something wrong, it was both. I see in pictures, write in words, then have to draw pictures to see my words. You can write the impossible, but not draw it.

Time is running, and it is tellling a story within seasonal change, activities I thought had nothing to do with the story, till I put it on a time line, and got a whole other view. Figuring how much they ate, of what, drove the action, and they have to store for winter, which takes a place, and the edges made the story very real.

Not in pictures, words, numbers, time, can I tell the story, but with all of them and more, and being a mechanic building a machine that will run.

What is thought? I think this thread is on to something important, I think we share all of these thought forms, and some use one more than others, but everything has imits and can be defined, if you can find all the pieces, we have them.

Anyone for a Thinking Club?



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11 Feb 2008, 6:23 pm

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Ok so I hear this all the time that Autistics are different because they think in pictures... I just don't get it. How do NT people think? In Language??? Can they really not think any faster than they can process language?

Like to do they just hear/read words in their head?

It is just so weird to me when people tell me that we think in a different way but I don't really understand how you could think any other way.


Well, I tend to think in logic. But, sometimes when I am playing sports I think in pictures. Usually when people are cheating, like sometimes when they say their ball was in, and it was clearly out, I can SEE the ball hitting out of bounds in my mind!! !



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11 Feb 2008, 9:39 pm

I've reconsidered my original answer... upon careful reflection in my mental mirror I've decided that I was wrong earlier. I apparently have no thoughts. I expect that means I will soon be recruited by Republicans or something. Therefore these "no thoughts" of mine have no value and I should refrain from sharing, unless, of course, I am elected to office. If that happens I will be required to talk non-stop, however, luckily for me, I will be barred from saying anything intelligent.


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11 Feb 2008, 10:29 pm

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I've found that when trying to think of a solution for something and i'm having a hard time getting it done, I think of the problem in Spanish.. then in Japanese.. and I find that each language gives me a new insight or a different approach to the problem. 'Running' the problem in my head in english gives me the technical side, in spanish the ability to better describe/understand it and its emotional content and japanese pops in new ways to see the problem (which are re-run in english and spanish for processing).


The novel Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson describes language to a type of computer program to be used by the human brain. What you have described is exactly that. Different software in the same hardware will provide an entirely different method of operation.

Thanks for your post.



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11 Feb 2008, 11:15 pm

Well, I think in pictures, videos and songs or music (thanks, Mtv), or in simple colors a la New Age. I've never ever thought in simple words like cartoons. I can be very good with words, but I've never thought in words or diagrams.

But, isn't this the way everybody thinks?



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11 Feb 2008, 11:36 pm

I think in sound o_O , as in I am just talking to myself internally , I have had some nice arguments there. Hard to explain/know what really goes inside my head.

Since I was as confused as heck about this topic, I took a quiz at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/leonardo/thinker_quiz/ According to it I am spatial AND logical thinker.



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11 Feb 2008, 11:56 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
I think in sound o_O , as in I am just talking to myself internally , I have had some nice arguments there. Hard to explain/know what really goes inside my head.


heh, I do too.

Supposedly, thoughts mimic and/or process what you experience, so one should think in "everything": pictures, smells, flavors, sounds, etc, etc, etc... at the same time...

And according to the test (and to the surprise of absolutely no one), I'm a musical thinker.

Musical thinkers:

* Tend to think in sounds, and may also think in rhythms and melodies
* Are sensitive to the sounds and rhythms of words as well as their meanings.
* Feel a strong connection between music and emotions

Like many musical thinkers, Leonardo loved to sing, and had a fine voice
Other Musical Thinkers include
Mozart, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix

Careers which suit Musical Thinkers include
Musician, Music teacher, Sound engineer, Recording technician



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12 Feb 2008, 12:17 am

. . .got spatial thinker; which suits me very much even though I voted 0 at the arts and crafts question due to a technicality. Again, another test implying my career choice was probably a mistake - most likely the painful truth.
The cool thing is that I couldn't truly tell what each question implied as for the final result (most likely due to ignorance. . . and drowsiness).

eh. . . now I can tell. I felt I was leaning to existential thinker. . .



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12 Feb 2008, 1:28 am

My result:

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Spatial Thinkers:
Tend to think in pictures, and can develop good mental models of the physical world.
Think well in three dimensions
Have a flair for working with objects

Other Spatial Thinkers include
Pablo Picasso, Michelangelo, Isambard Kingdom Brunel

Careers which suit Spatial Thinkers include
Mechanic, Photographer, Artist, Architect, Engineer, Builder, Set designer



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12 Feb 2008, 3:14 am

So this is strange maybe... but I don't think in words OR pictures. I think in feelings. Does this make sense to anyone? I mean, I still use both words and pictures in my mind. But the blunt of my thought process is made up of some kind of feelings. Every person and object has a specific feeling to me, every major word (not things like "it" or "a") has a feeling. My mind is a giant whirlpool of all these feelings and it seems to be the most efficient way for me to think. I think very, very fast. Can never seem to spit it all out fast, though.

Anyone else know what I talking about?


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12 Feb 2008, 3:22 am

I never use to write Dear on letters because I thought it had an emotional quality that would make people feel uncomfortable. :?


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12 Feb 2008, 3:40 am

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I never use to write Dear on letters because I thought it had an emotional quality that would make people feel uncomfortable. :?


Hah, me too. Also, I never knew how to end a letter in a way that made me feel comfortable.


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12 Feb 2008, 3:46 am

KristaMeth wrote:
So this is strange maybe... but I don't think in words OR pictures. I think in feelings. Does this make sense to anyone? I mean, I still use both words and pictures in my mind. But the blunt of my thought process is made up of some kind of feelings. Every person and object has a specific feeling to me, every major word (not things like "it" or "a") has a feeling. My mind is a giant whirlpool of all these feelings and it seems to be the most efficient way for me to think. I think very, very fast. Can never seem to spit it all out fast, though.

Anyone else know what I talking about?



I think so. I have tried to describe my thought processes to a friend. I told him it was like; watching multipal television sets(3 or more), all playing at fast-forward, all playing information related to the topic, and being able to pick up most of it. Then I have to compress it, and translate into word form, in a way, so that others will understand. Does that sound familiar?



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12 Feb 2008, 5:58 am

My way of thinking is very strange. I cannot think in direct pictures. It is boring to me and I would get nowhere. Everything is like one big movie, full of sound and color. I often find myself looking at the floor and having constant dialogues with myself. I shut off any images from entering my head but if I were to allow it to enter I would picture myself sitting with a blurry image before me dialoguing. I visualize myself everywhere. I can see myself going to another state, the turns I'm to take, the convenient stores I will pull over in to ask for directions. The smell, the taste, the stress, I can visualize it all. I imagine the people, the conversations, the emotions as well. I'm not sure if that is "thinking in pictures". I can hold a picture in my head but that is only to draw it, even then it is moving.

hadapurpura wrote:
Musical thinkers:

* Tend to think in sounds, and may also think in rhythms and melodies
* Are sensitive to the sounds and rhythms of words as well as their meanings.
* Feel a strong connection between music and emotions

Like many musical thinkers, Leonardo loved to sing, and had a fine voice
Other Musical Thinkers include
Mozart, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix

Careers which suit Musical Thinkers include
Musician, Music teacher, Sound engineer, Recording technician


As a musician, I agree with this wholly. I tend to have a 5/8, 7/8, or 12/8 rhythm in my head. From it, my thoughts tend to gather around. Often I hear something like a sitar or sarangi, even an oud, just playing in the background. It is very strange. I am always careful with what words I use because I feel many are unaware of just how powerful they are. I tend to speak musically as well, which is strange (alliteration, rhythm, repetative tone, and sound). There is almost never a time music is not in my head.



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12 Feb 2008, 6:09 am

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I often find myself looking at the floor and having constant dialogues with myself. I shut off any images from entering my head but if I were to allow it to enter I would picture myself sitting with a blurry image before me dialoguing.


About this: What is weird is that my other self will even guide me through what problems I'm thinking by showing me things that is helpful. It is very strange and crazy sounding. Think of someone doing a presentation and showing charts, audio/visual examples, images, etc. It is something like that.

:? 8O :?



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12 Feb 2008, 6:23 am

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KristaMeth wrote:
So this is strange maybe... but I don't think in words OR pictures. I think in feelings. Does this make sense to anyone? I mean, I still use both words and pictures in my mind. But the blunt of my thought process is made up of some kind of feelings. Every person and object has a specific feeling to me, every major word (not things like "it" or "a") has a feeling. My mind is a giant whirlpool of all these feelings and it seems to be the most efficient way for me to think. I think very, very fast. Can never seem to spit it all out fast, though.

Anyone else know what I talking about?



I think so. I have tried to describe my thought processes to a friend. I told him it was like; watching multipal television sets(3 or more), all playing at fast-forward, all playing information related to the topic, and being able to pick up most of it. Then I have to compress it, and translate into word form, in a way, so that others will understand. Does that sound familiar?


Sounds somewhat along the right lines... not sure. It's so hard to describe the way one thinks.


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