Should Asperger's be renamed to High Functioning Autism?

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Should Asperger's be renamed to High Functioning Autism?
Keep it as Asperger's 40%  40%  [ 33 ]
Change it to High Functioning Autism 39%  39%  [ 32 ]
Call it something else entirely (please suggest something) 22%  22%  [ 18 ]
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08 Apr 2008, 2:14 pm

The differences in motor difficulties seem to be more in terms of what part of the motor process is impaired. It's just that when you have motor planning problems of a certain sort (which can be termed a kind of dyspraxia actually), the person can appear quite coordinated while doing some things, so it does not look like traditional "clumsiness", and is not as frequently noticed for what it is. But both sorts are parts of a similar thing, just different manifestations of it. Not to mention that they're often tied to perception in various ways.

I have one manifestation of autistic motor problems and my friend here has another.

My friend looks clumsy.

I grew up looking incredibly agile in some areas and clumsy in others, without anyone figuring out the difference between the two, which was that one was voluntary movement and the other was triggered. The discrepancy between the two became more and more prominent over the years until a lot of the time I can only move in certain familiar movement patterns and in other patterns can't move at all and get completely stuck rather than just looking clumsy.

So I can have either far better or far worse looking motor skills than my friend depending on what I am doing, whereas she just has a uniform level of clumsiness most of the time. I also look far "flatter" than she does in terms of facial expression most of the time (I have expressions just for shorter durations than usual).

(Both of us meet criteria for autism and not AS, for whatever that's worth, because of early language stuff. But we look extremely different that way, and represent the stereotypes of motor skills in autism (me) and AS (her). Both, however, are problems in movement that just happen to occur in different parts of the process of getting from brain to movement.)


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08 Apr 2008, 2:37 pm

Added: Found it.

An examination of movement kinematics in young people with high-functioning autism and Asperger's disorder: further evidence for a motor planning deficit.


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08 Apr 2008, 4:12 pm

I like the suggestion that it's all autism, but with different types, like diabetes. Hepatitis is very much the same, Type A is VERY different from B, from cause to effect to outcome, but because all the hep's inflame the liver they all get called Hepatitis.

What generally seem to agree on is that the spectrum is broad and varied. Not every LFA is the same. Not every Aspie is the same.

By formally rolling Aspies under the umbrella of autism, maybe we can help to change the stereotypes of Autism. We aren't all Temple Grandin nor are we Rain Man nor are we the institutionalized adult or child. Every person on the spectrum is an individual, deserving of rights and respect.



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11 Apr 2008, 1:12 am

I think it should be called "type 2 autism" (with "classic autism" being changed to "type 1")
I'm not a fan of the "ass burger" thing either.


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11 Apr 2008, 1:21 am

This is by Lorna Wing, who seems to be of the opinion now that there's no difference between "HFA" and Asperger's, this quote is old:

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Asperger acknowledged that there were many similarities between his syndrome and Kanner's early infantile autism. Nevertheless, he considered they were different because he regarded autism as a psychotic process, and his own syndrome as a stable personality trait. Since neither psychotic process nor personality trait has been defined empirically, little more can be said about whether they can be distinguished from each other.


Van Krevelen (1971) and Wolff & Barlow (1979) agreed with Asperger that his syndrome should be differentiated from autism. They differ in their accounts of the distinguishing features and the impression gained from their papers is that, although there are some differences, the syndromes are more alike than unalike. The variations could be explained on the basis of the severity of the impairments, though the authors quoted above would not agree with this hypothesis. Thus the autistic child, at least when young, is aloof and indifferent to others, whereas the child with Asperger syndrome is passive or makes inappropriate one-sided approaches. The former is mute or has delayed and abnormal speech, whereas the latter learns to speak with good grammar and vocabulary (though he may, when young, reverse pronouns), but the content of his speech is inappropriate for the social context and he has problems with understanding complex meanings. Non-verbal communication is severely impaired in both conditions. In autism, in the early years, there may be no use of gesture to communicate. In Asperger syndrome there tends to be inappropriate use of gesture to accompany speech. In both conditions, monotonous or peculiar vocal intonation is characteristic. The autistic child develops stereotyped, repetitive routines involving objects or people (for example, arranging toys and household objects in specific abstract patterns, or insisting that everyone in a room should cross the right leg over the left), whereas the person with Asperger syndrome becomes immersed in mathematical abstractions, or amassing facts on his special interests. Abnormal responses to sensory input - including indifference, distress and fascination - are characteristic of early childhood autism and form the basis of the theories of perceptual inconstancy put forward by Ornitz & Ritvo (1968) and of over-selectivity of attention suggested by Lovaas et al (1971). These features are associated with greater severity of handicap, and lower mental age. They are not described as typical of Asperger syndrome, and they are rarely seen in older autistic people with intelligence quotients in the normal range.


The one area in which this type of comparison does not seem to apply is in motor development. Typically, autistic children tend to be good at climbing and balancing when young. Those with Asperger syndrome, on the other hand, are notably il1-co-ordinated in posture, gait and gestures. Even this may not be a particularly useful point of differentiation, since children who have typical autism when young tend to become clumsy in movernent and much less attractive and graceful in appearance by the time of adolescence (see DeMyer, 1976, 1979 for a discussion of motor skills in autism and autistic-like conditions).


Bosch (1962) considered that Asperger syndrome and autism were variants of the same condition. This author pointed out that, although Asperger and Van Krevelen (1971) listed features in the early history which they thought distinguished the two conditions, in practice these did not cluster into two groups often enough to justify the differentiation.



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13 Dec 2016, 6:35 pm

No, it should not, i think it'd be easier and less debated if we change pronunciation of the word aspergers (as confusing as that might seem).



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13 Dec 2016, 8:07 pm

Wow!! ! Reading their post back then...it's almost seems like they predicted the future....but I still call it aspergers...with a "j"...


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13 Dec 2016, 8:09 pm

i don't feel like i'm high functioning. maybe compared to low-functioning autists, but not even to other aspies.
there must be a middle-ground.



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13 Dec 2016, 8:19 pm

I would favor Aspergers-Autism as a main subcategory, kind of like "Classic Rock". Functioning labels do not reflect the autisic experience as one can have mild sensory sensitivities but severe Executive Dysfunction. I would further subcatogorize it to reflect the stand out trait(s) such as "Sensory Sensitive-Autism"


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13 Dec 2016, 8:20 pm

The man deserves his credit no matter how many ignorant NT like to abuse it or autism in general used as a slur. If there was such a thing as a jack where other people could experience what it is to be us, they would stop being so ignorant.


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13 Dec 2016, 8:51 pm

1) severe Asperger's Syndrome is not high functioning...
2) It has already been renamed as Autism Spectrum Disorder.


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14 Dec 2016, 4:39 am

Feralucce wrote:
2) It has already been renamed as Autism Spectrum Disorder.


This is a necrobumped thread from 2008 prior to the DSM 5

This is still a relevent topic because
We have people from locales that use the ICD manual.

A few WP posters from DSM locales have that clinitions formally diagnosed them with Aspergers or labeled them informally. The term is still often used informally.

The DSM changed the lableing of autism diagnosis before and they will probably do so again.


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14 Dec 2016, 1:39 pm

I do t reallycare what it called, i was diagnosed originally aspergers and now my psychologist has changed it to ASD level 1.

They can change the name to anything its still going to mean the same thing.


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15 Dec 2016, 1:34 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
This is still a relevent topic because
We have people from locales that use the ICD manual.

A few WP posters from DSM locales have that clinitions formally diagnosed them with Aspergers or labeled them informally. The term is still often used informally.

The DSM changed the lableing of autism diagnosis before and they will probably do so again.

Ah... missed that...

Though, following the research on HDFT scans of autistic brains... I kind of agree with the change in diagnosis, as the white matter structures seem to be incredibly similar in traditional autism and asperger's syndrome


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