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31 Dec 2009, 7:26 pm

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So totally pity NTs; used to just call them "normals", often to their face. Have learned not to do this so much, but here it is for a select audience:
-Normals are offended by the idea that different exists -- can't be real, must be a threat, not good at sports.
-Normals get mad because learning is hard, and thinking is hard, but emoting all over the place is easy.
-Now if not confronted, normals very impressed, admiring even, especially if emoted at in predictable normal ways...
-...like noticing new articles of clothing and saying "sure" a lot when they prattle on how they emote about other normals emoting about yet other normals. :roll:
-Normals love their problems solved, nastily tend to take credit for socializing with the solution normals couldn't figure out, until weirdo here stuck it in their noggins.

Yes, pity and no small amount of resentment. Suppose it is a flaw in character, now that it is in the light of day. Still...


Agree with this part. Not all normals are like that, obviously, but I've met so damn many, even otherwise very nice and wise people, who can't get over the idea that difference = defect. Even if they agree in principle they still feel that you should change yourself to fit the world.


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31 Dec 2009, 8:49 pm

Other neurotypicals. I sometimes pity them too. Constantly reading between the lines and assuming they know what other people are thinking. I know better.

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01 Jan 2010, 12:35 am

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I do not pity them; I envy them. I am depressed right now, so my answer may reflect my mental state. I just have a great deal of trouble connecting to others. I want to be able to do what comes naturally to NTs.

There's stuff out there (in the world) to help you with that. There's plenty of people that got treatment (like certain kinds of therapies , I didn't memorize their names, not stuff like electroshock therapy! ouch! not regular psychotherapy either. I really suggest getting the book "Nonverbal Learning Disorder" by Rondalyn Varney Whitney from the library, I know its title is nonverbal learning disorder but it's about NLD and asperger's)



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01 Jan 2010, 4:52 am

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I can't believe I have to say this again. I'm not saying neurotypicals are inferior. I AM, however, saying they are increasingly less-adapted to a world that they, in part at least, created. They are the Neanderthals of today. Contrary to popular belief, neanderthal man was probably not stupid - so don't think that's what I'm accusing neurotypicals of being. What I meant by technocentric world and them being dependent on such is that yes, whilst we too are dependent, we are better suited at such than they. As technology progresses, fewer of the average person is capable of understanding. Phones aren't scientific devices - they're magical plastic sticks that let you talk to people anywhere. I say that neurotypicals are archaic because they evolved and adapted to throwing pointy sticks at running animals. I believe Arthur C. Clarke mentioned something along those lines in one of his books...
Point being; they are neither superior nor inferior, but they are less capable in the emerging new world. As we are less capable in theirs. But, here's the thing: Their world is disappearing. Ours is emerging. Don't believe me? Alright, why don't you become a geneticist and do the research yourself? I pity them because they can't escape their own social environment. Most NT's are dependent upon an alpha. They are living in a world that is rapidly fading - and they haven't yet caught up to the idea.
Ten thousand years - there may not be any classical humans remaining, no homo sapiens sapiens. Human ego - both NT's and Aspies - often tries to deny it. To view yourself, or a genetic cousin, as being mortal and fallible seems incomprehensible. I pity them because they don't understand the lives they live. I pity them because they view Aspergers as being a disease, I pity them for not only their lack of understanding but their lack of capacity to understand me. I pity them because, as a whole, they are dying. Some wouldn't pity a dying man, but who wouldn't pity dying Man?



I agree with you. And another reason they're having more and more trouble adapting is that--for the most part--their level of comprehension gets stunted, and they can't think outside the box to the degree needed to keep their survival in the long run.

I believe most Autistic folks are more than capable of understanding these very things, as mostly we tend to favor logic & reason over emotion. Unfortunately, as long as many of us insist on feeling sorry for ourselves because we're not accepted by NTs, that true potential never shows.

I've tried to explain the things I understand to people...it really is beyond their comprehension.

A lot of times they even say "let's please stop discussing this"; it's because it's too much for their brains to handle. Well, not only that, but they find it scary because they can only understand it so much to a point. Beyond that point, they fear what they don't understand and the whole discussion just freaks them out.

Many things that NTs get worked up about every day( lots of it you hear on the news) I've discussed with my friend on the phone and told him "don't worry, you'll be fine; we all will".

but these are things most NTs just can't comprehend; but we can, should we chose to take advantage of what we have at our disposal.



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01 Jan 2010, 6:18 am

Psycho_jimmy wrote:
they are less capable in the emerging new world. As we are less capable in theirs. But, here's the thing: Their world is disappearing. Ours is emerging.

You raise interesting issues here. How do you envisage the emerging (your) new world? What will it be like? What will it be characterized by that makes NTs less capable, and aspies more capable, in it?



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01 Jan 2010, 6:50 am

Jaydee wrote:
Psycho_jimmy wrote:
they are less capable in the emerging new world. As we are less capable in theirs. But, here's the thing: Their world is disappearing. Ours is emerging.

You raise interesting issues here. How do you envisage the emerging (your) new world? What will it be like? What will it be characterized by that makes NTs less capable, and aspies more capable, in it?


I'm guessing he refers to the technological aspects. A lot of people complain that with everything done by computer now, humans socialize almost less than ever...which is no major issue for us at all!



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01 Jan 2010, 7:32 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
Jaydee wrote:
Psycho_jimmy wrote:
they are less capable in the emerging new world. As we are less capable in theirs. But, here's the thing: Their world is disappearing. Ours is emerging.

You raise interesting issues here. How do you envisage the emerging (your) new world? What will it be like? What will it be characterized by that makes NTs less capable, and aspies more capable, in it?


I'm guessing he refers to the technological aspects. A lot of people complain that with everything done by computer now, humans socialize almost less than ever...which is no major issue for us at all!
Yes, that sounds likely. However, this development does not happen by itself, independently of us humans. It is not something thrust upon us, something we are unable to cope with or even stop, if we so wish. It is an overdramatization to claim that humans (and particulary NTs) are a dying "species". We use all our means at our disposal to survive. If it means getting rid of the computers and starting socialization on a great scale, then that's what we will do. We are an incredibly adaptable species. Adaptation to all kinds of circumstances is the key. Finding the way that will suit us the best. This has always been the way, and there's no reason to believe that the future world will be different. After all, we decide. :)



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01 Jan 2010, 7:54 am

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I pity all of humanity indiscriminately.


Exactly. I do that too, although at times I think I pity NTs more because they seem to be more caught up in mundane activities, with a sense of hopelessness and resignation, than I am.


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02 Jan 2010, 4:47 pm

I don't pity them, but I would surely lose my sanity if I were one, I would really get over myself.



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02 Jan 2010, 4:53 pm

:?


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02 Jan 2010, 5:01 pm

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people with aspergers are more intelligent, creative etc etc than nt people. without exception.



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02 Jan 2010, 5:04 pm

saintetienne wrote:
Snazzlestick wrote:
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people with aspergers are more intelligent, creative etc etc than nt people. without exception.


You sir are wrong 8)


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02 Jan 2010, 5:13 pm

all the great people from einstein to britney spears, all aspergers.



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02 Jan 2010, 5:17 pm

I smell a troll 8)


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02 Jan 2010, 5:30 pm

what's a troll?



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02 Jan 2010, 7:12 pm

I pity anybody who doesn't accept people who are different from themself. That could be anybody.


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