What does everyone think about the 2012 prophecy

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I'm enough of a skeptic to not care enough to read the speculation behind the prediction(?). There was a Christian huckster named Hal Lindsey who wrote a book called "The Late Great Planet Earth" that predicted the end times of the Bible were about to come and, more importantly, made the author a whole lot of money. Can anyone tell me if somebody is making money by generating interest in this profitsy? It is possible that some person or group stands to make money off of this story. Cui bono?

Disclaimer, I don't know Latin and had to look that phrase up.

Whatever anyone "believes", whatever anyone "feels", whatever anyone "thinks", I wonder what they base these beliefs, feelings, and thoughts on? Facts, logic, and reason? Or fantasy, emotion, and suggestion?

The world endeing doesn't neccessarily mean that life itself will end, but maybe instead that a dead-end way of thinking will end a new world of enlightenment will begin. A little something to think about anyway.

While there is no single definitive "2012 Prophesy", there seems to be an abundance of baseless speculation about it. I'd like to see an authoritative statement of what this alleged prohesy is, as well as any definitive evidence to back it up.

Any such statement that includes the words "I believe", "I feel", or "I think" should be ignored as mere subjective opinion.

Please, would someone state the "2012 Prophesy" as it was originally scripted by the Mayans?

Thank you.

Guys, please. For the love of all that's holy, will you please stop bashing the Ancient Mayans? Look, the Mayans are the only Pre-Colombian American civilisation that developed a written language, so they must have been intelligent. They were also excellent mathematicians, and, unlike the dumb Romans, discovered zero. Think about all the sums they had to do to find out that a number lower than 1 actually existed. Wow, super brains. And here you all are discrediting their highly plausible and scientific theories just because it's an inconvenient truth.

The Mayans are right. Enlightenment will come in 2012, and you'd better know it. Websites such as this were not created by deluded senile crackpots. They are truly enlightened people who want to spread the truth to the world before it's too late. I mean, the evidence for a global enlightenment in 2012 is just staggering, and skeptics should be severely punished for their baseless mockery of the Truth. How dare they question the validity of the claims, when the evidence is out there for all to see.

Shame that the 2012 London Olympics will have to be cancelled though, I was looking forward to them.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, this post does contain sarcasm. Lots of it, in fact.

2012 is the date of the final alien invasion! Mulder found it on a computer in some secret government base!

What the Mayans said.

The Fifth Sun, our current era, will end at the end of the Long Count, on the day Reed One.

What is commonly called the Aztec Calendar Stone, here used as an avatar, shows the sun in the center, and five rings about. Each ring is an age, a sun, and it shows how the age ended, water, fire, ice.

There are two stories together, the return of the God, Feathered Serpent, who swims around the sun, once evey 26,000 years, and destroys and creates.

The Age will end, not the Universe, Planet, Life, there will be massive change, it will be caused by something in the air/sky. Change is messy.

One Reed comes once evey 52 years, a Venus/Sun alignment, It gives a very accurate count of days over long periods. It is an exact number of whole days.

Every 500 52 year cycles the God returns.

Their mearure of time has only been equaled in the computer era, The tallest building in the West was Mayan, till the Sears Tower was built in 1937. Their's was built for scientific purposes, the building it's self shows a deep knowlede of math and time, Physics.

They did invent Zero. There is a second claim that Europe learned of it from the Turks, which tracks down to Fibernatchii learning math in Bougie, now Bejile, in Algeria. Before him, Europe knew only Roman Numbers. Arabic Numerals were learned in India, but they did not have Zero. Before Algeria, which was ruled by the Turks, there was Numidia, and Bougie was a center of learning, Ibn Khaldun wrote the Muquaddima there. C 1300, around the same time Fibernatchii was there.

There is evidence of trade between Numidia and Central America. Egyptian mummies were enbaumed with tobacco and cocaine. So it is most likely the Amazight, Berbers, learned of Zero during trade. The Arabs did not know, and the Turks only ruled later.

So the Mayans seem the sole originators.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote books about evidence of great periodic destruction found the the recent geologic record. He was Einstine's best friend, and a very learned man. He was laughed at. "Earth in Upheavel" "Worlds in Collision", document what he found, that does not fit the gradualist view of earth history.

He thought Venus was new, that it had been recently captured, and during that process it had made several near passes that disrupted Earth 26, and 52,000 years ago. He wrote in the 1940's, Mayan was not translated till 1990.

His Geologic evidence is good, just his cause is off.

There is strong evidence of cyclic destruction. The Mayans picked one big event to base their calender on, and The Human Genome project says they most likely were living North of the Black Sea back when the count started. The other group, Sumarians, who counted in units of 60, had the same story, same date, and were North of the Black Sea last time.

The Fourth Sun ended in ice. From warmer than today to three miles of ice reaching from London to the Ural Mountains, which stayed 10,000 years. As that ends, the Lesser Dryas Period starts, a sand and dust storm that lasted 1500 years.

When that runs down, starts our era, Holocene, wholly modern time, which has lasted 10,000 years.

It is strange for staying stable for so long, abnormal in the record, and mostly for the warm period and good crops of the last 500 years. In 700 the Black Sea and the Nile froze, 1100 to 1300 there was ice on the north coast of Scotland, famous for grapes and wine in Roman times. Vikings came south in 900 because their crops would no longer grow, and it was move or die.

We are in an ice age, for the last 150,000 years we have 100,000 cold, 5,000 warm, 5,000 cold, 5,000 warm, 10,000 cold, 10,000 warm. Only 20,000 out of 150,000 warm, and today the longest warm period.

Just the dust from a major comet could send us back into the ice. 1% less sunlight, everything changes.

Before the last ice, it was warmer than today, sea level was 7 Meters higher, from the middens along the coast of Europe. Oaks grew in Scandinavia. Climate change usually shows Oak being replaced by Birch, then conifers, as it gets colder, this time they were replaced with ice, it was quick.

In the Americas ice reached Saint Louis. This was caused by the world getting five degrees F cooler.

A Prophecy is the Second Coming, The Return of God, an old story grafted on a new. Prediction of Cosmic Alignment are New Age, we do not have to work at anything, for the New Age will change everything. Galactic Center is in the middle, always has been, and is a long way away.

Local Geology shows we live on a changing planet, and small causes, a large comet, volcanos, big rocks from the sky, a nearby star going Supernova, can have large and long term, for us, effects.

So I think the Mayans were on to something.

I've excised all the irrelevant points, leaving only a vague insinuation that Something might happen.

Tell ya what; if the world is destroyed, I owe you a million dollars (American), and if the world is not destroyed, you pay me a million dollars. Deal?

Evidence, Please?


Evidence, Please?


Evidence, Please?

What evidence? All I see is a collection of unrelated factoids strung together with a web of vague assumptions, innuendo, and unanswered questions.


Evidence, Please?


Oh ... never mind, then ... carry on!

Nicely said.

Whose dead-end way of thinking? The Atheists? The Democrats? The crystal-waving, incense-burning, tarot-reading "New Age" types?

And what kind of enlightenment? Intellectual? Political? Educational? Social? Religious? "Spiritual" is another term so vague as to be considered null.

These vaguely-termed prognostications never seem to have any real focus, so they can be interpreted to the convenience of the person making them. There have been several "Alignments", "Conjunctions", and "Oppositions" in the last 50 years, and nothing really changed - no annunciations, ascensions, or epiphanies at all.

2012 will be no different from previous "miracle" years, in that it will be greeted with much anticipation and experienced with much dissapointment.

[quote="alba]Nicely said.[/quote]

Why thank you.

Hehe, maybe I should have said at the top of my post that it was going to be sarcastic, but I just can't take the whole 2012 enlightenment/world destruction/new era thing seriously. That said, I'll be biting back my words when we're all enslaved by giant Nahuatl-speaking feathery lizards, but until then, I'm not gonna be preparing for any apocalpse. If the world does end in our lifetime, it will likely happen suddenly, without any warning.

Will happen, definitely. I hope...

No deal! Even if the Mayans were right, as backed by the Sumarians, the odds of a direct hit, or a near miss are, given two shots, coming and going, coming to within 1/4 Degree of our orbit, 719 to 1, against.

We would most likely get some great meteor showers twice a year.

Dust left along the track could cause a slow cooling, reduced sun light on the plantarty plane, and over a thousand years, send os back into the ice.

We would start counting time from the real big comet again, and in 26,000 years people can debate the meaning.

In the year 28,012 on the day Reed One, the Sixth Age will end.

Not worried about it at all. I don't need any extra stress in my life.