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Mysty
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12 Sep 2008, 7:40 pm

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NT's generally are not interested in facts for the pure joy of it being a fact. ...

I don't jump to conclusions like that myself, because I do enjoy interesting facts, but that really isn't how most of the world thinks. You only need to know what is relevant.


That's something that I just don't understand, because it's so different from me. And one of those things of why I definitely see myself as not-NT. I can accept that it's so, and act accordingly with those with whom I should, but I can't actually get that kind of thinking.



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12 Sep 2008, 8:26 pm

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Perhaps she didn't know what you were dispensing?

Maybe respond, "really, you do know I am dispensing XXXX, don't you?" Or, "I thought XXX wasn't approved for humans?" Leave the door open for them to see their own mistake, instead of pointing it out to them.


Oh, she knew. The quoted bits are an approximation, she actually said the name of the drug, I just figured readers here wouldn't care.

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Perhaps when you share details they didn't ask for, it comes across as if you think they don't know that information.


I'm sure I do that a lot. I can't say how not to, though. I can't tell if somebody is going to appreciate information I communicate, or want to argue about it (which is fine, I like a civil argument) or build on it, or if the person is going to act like my sharing information is some sort of incomprehensible personal assault and snap at me. How do you know a thing like that?

Actually, the monitor-on-cat incident, she obviously needed help and was grumbling about how she couldn't get the thing to work right. And after she had snarled at me for observing that she'd placed the clip too low, she asked another technician, who told her just what I'd said and got thanked for it. What a life.

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Now that is sad. There most definitely ARE times one needs to assert themselves, even if there is a risk to it. Just do it as tactfully as possible.


How to be tactful. The question of the ages.

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Well, it's effectively, the nurse teaching the doctor.

However right the nurse may be, it just looks bad because the doctor's supposed to know more than the nurse.

Appearances are paramount in such situations.
Better to can it, than undermine the vet's authority.


Looks bad to whom? I am not so socially inept that I ever made comments like that within earshot of clients. It's not as if they maintained an illusion of omniscience to their staff, anyway, they'd often ask me to make some excuse to a client while they snuck back and read up on stuff.

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The more qualified the bod, the more fragile and demanding of careful handling the ego becomes.


You think so? When I worked in laboratories, the big-dog doctorates never acted that way. But when I worked in a computer-parts factory, the on-site "R&D" guys, who had low-level engineering degrees, did.

The best vet there is also the youngest, and treated such comments and suggestions as valuable, which is sort of consistant with your statement. Though if you get a bunch of veterinary technicians together and get them talking about all the vets they've worked for, you'll usually find that the worst are female veterinarians who were members of that first wave of women entering the profession in the seventies. I kinda think they got trained to act defensive, by instructors who gave them a hard time in some insane effort to prove that women aren't suited to veterinary medicine. That belief didn't help me figure out how to handle them, though.



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13 Sep 2008, 5:47 pm

Electric_Kite wrote:
Actually, the monitor-on-cat incident, she obviously needed help and was grumbling about how she couldn't get the thing to work right. And after she had snarled at me for observing that she'd placed the clip too low, she asked another technician, who told her just what I'd said and got thanked for it. What a life.


I don't know if this is the case here or not, but it seems to me sometimes people don't like something the first time they hear it, but then when they hear it again from a second person, they take it okay, and quite independent, best I can tell, from how it was said. Maybe that's a factor. Or it could be something subtle about how it was said. Or even both.



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13 Sep 2008, 6:00 pm

DW no worries, I appreciate your posts, actually I started getting the whole situation a lot better now.

still I haven't heard many other stories so far. I bet I'll have some more soon after the housewarming party that I'm going to next week :D


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14 Sep 2008, 2:18 pm

anna-banana wrote:
yeah, I sometimes suspect that NTs project evil intentions on everybody around them... hopefully thats not the case (oversensitive over kids/weight maybe??)


I agree. Everyone in the world seems to get offended too easily with this pervasive 'poor me' mentality - everyone's a damned victim. I get so tired of walking on eggs around people. The O.P. was right to laugh at the absurd comeback. I would have calmly responded with "No, I did not compare your daughter to my dog. You said that, I didn't."

There's a comedian out there (whose name escapes me at the moment) who once said about people who get too easily offended:

"Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge and Just Get Over It."


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