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20 Sep 2008, 2:09 pm

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Bit of a climb-down, isn't it ?
Everybody's rejoicing in the 'advantages' of AS.
Now all of a sudden, we're 'managing in spite of it'.
The first step towards liberation is acceptance.
Bravado is still no way to go though.
I'm delighted with who I am.
I'd just rather not have to put up with all the compromises to my life that AS imposes.
I choose to be honest and say so.
You like the majority of others here, choose to deny that AS compromises your life in any way at all.
That doesn't sit right with me.
Why ?
Because self-deception is the enemy of progress.


First off - facing the challenges. That was what was said. I would ask that you cease rephrasing what is said; I am select in the words I choose, and do not find your attempts to convey nearly the same content. Now, it's not a climb down - I've never said it did not affect me. Finding out about AS helped me gain confidence, not lose it. It is a constant aspect of my life, but not in the driver's seat.

You choose a life without the challenges; I see all the good (and bad) things my life is as a result of them, and I choose this life. I choose the challenge, because I like who I am.

Sadly, you insist on putting words in my mouth - for I never once said it does not compromise my life, or the life of others. But I choose not to allow it to dictate my life, either. I don't think continuing this conversation will be productive - we disagree on the basic premise, and I am tired of reading your posts which you attack but do not substantiate. You have my hope that your decision and path works for you.


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20 Sep 2008, 2:23 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
MemberSix wrote:
Bit of a climb-down, isn't it ?
Everybody's rejoicing in the 'advantages' of AS.
Now all of a sudden, we're 'managing in spite of it'.
The first step towards liberation is acceptance.
Bravado is still no way to go though.
I'm delighted with who I am.
I'd just rather not have to put up with all the compromises to my life that AS imposes.
I choose to be honest and say so.
You like the majority of others here, choose to deny that AS compromises your life in any way at all.
That doesn't sit right with me.
Why ?
Because self-deception is the enemy of progress.


First off - facing the challenges. That was what was said. I would ask that you cease rephrasing what is said; I am select in the words I choose, and do not find your attempts to convey nearly the same content. Now, it's not a climb down - I've never said it did not affect me. Finding out about AS helped me gain confidence, not lose it. It is a constant aspect of my life, but not in the driver's seat.

You choose a life without the challenges; I see all the good (and bad) things my life is as a result of them, and I choose this life. I choose the challenge, because I like who I am.

Sadly, you insist on putting words in my mouth - for I never once said it does not compromise my life, or the life of others. But I choose not to allow it to dictate my life, either. I don't think continuing this conversation will be productive - we disagree on the basic premise, and I am tired of reading your posts which you attack but do not substantiate.

And I'm sick of reading the self-delusory, unsubstantiated psycho-babble you keep posting.
You keep inferring that I don't like who I am.
But I'm delighted with who I am.
The difference between me and you is that you wear your unwavering effort in the face of challenge as some sort of righteous halo.
But it just comes off as holier-than-thou, sanctimonious BS.

If you stopped being such a pious martyr for enough time to draw breath, you wouldn't come across as such a blinkered bigot.



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20 Sep 2008, 2:47 pm

Define what is delusional, then, MS - I welcome the explanation. Repeatedly, I have addressed my statements in terms of self, and in terms of the observation of others... no universal claims, as you have posted. I've never said you don't like who you are - I hope to hell you do! - but I don't assume that, and I know that I, myself, personally, could not be happy in the mentality you propose. Just that simple.

I wear my effort as a reminder to continue, and to not allow things to control me. It is amusing, your choice of words - those who I have encountered in PPR would find the use of holier-than-thou, halo, pious and sanctimonious a little out-of-character... especially used in the same paragraph in reference to me. But I digress... You wear your negativity on your sleeve; I wear my positive view in the same manner. Throughout, I have referred to my experience, and how I view things... I cannot choose how you interpret such things, only try to make myself clear.

Nothing I have said is bigoted, MS. If you want to insult, please contact me privately as this is not the appropriate venue for such things.


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20 Sep 2008, 2:52 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
Define what is delusional, then, MS - I welcome the explanation. Repeatedly, I have addressed my statements in terms of self, and in terms of the observation of others... no universal claims, as you have posted. I've never said you don't like who you are - I hope to hell you do! - but I don't assume that, and I know that I, myself, personally, could not be happy in the mentality you propose. Just that simple.

I wear my effort as a reminder to continue, and to not allow things to control me. It is amusing, your choice of words - those who I have encountered in PPR would find the use of holier-than-thou, halo, pious and sanctimonious a little out-of-character... especially used in the same paragraph in reference to me. But I digress... You wear your negativity on your sleeve; I wear my positive view in the same manner. Throughout, I have referred to my experience, and how I view things... I cannot choose how you interpret such things, only try to make myself clear.

Nothing I have said is bigoted, MS. If you want to insult, please contact me privately as this is not the appropriate venue for such things.


M.

I see no point in continuing with this conversation.

You clearly have your own views about this matter, so there's no point my trying to explain anything else.



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20 Sep 2008, 3:56 pm

I got really angry when my Psychiatrist said 'Asperger traits' because it made me feel like she wasn't taking my problems seriously. I have very severe sensory problems and a lot of problems with verbal communication and by calling these things traits didn't really do it justice...


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21 Sep 2008, 2:15 pm

Just thought I'd throw this out there before this gets locked...

If we can't call them "symptoms", then stop calling it "AS". AS = Asperger's Syndrome.

syn·drome –noun
1. Pathology, Psychiatry. a group of symptoms that together are characteristic of a specific disorder, disease, or the like.
2. a group of related or coincident things, events, actions, etc.
3. the pattern of symptoms that characterize or indicate a particular social condition.
4. a predictable, characteristic pattern of behavior, action, etc., that tends to occur under certain circumstances: the retirement syndrome of endless golf and bridge games; the feast-or-famine syndrome of big business.

Personally, I find this whole arguement rather silly.


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21 Sep 2008, 2:43 pm

I doubt it will be locked, at this late stage. Things have quieted.

I like the point you've made, and the definition provided. Thank you.


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21 Sep 2008, 2:45 pm

I doubt it gets locked. Doesn't seem too controversial to me.



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22 Sep 2008, 6:42 am

What about signs?