Taboo thread #1: A possible theory about the nature of AS.

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Actually, Hans Asperger's research continued into some of the children's adulthood. One of the children he based his research on, became an astronomer, and solved an error in Newton's work. Allthough the 400 children he investigated were just as autistic as adults, most of them actually did fine eventually.



Psychopathy in the 1940's didn't mean the same as it does today, by the way. The term didn't become synonymous with serial killers and such before the late 1970's.

Hmmmm in fact, I am agreeing with many Thomas A. McKean 's points : self-diagnosed shouldn't speak against cure , no one should , let every one decides if he/she wants a cure or not.

I will put this as simple as possible.

It is not normal human behavior to be introverted.

People with AS are lacking a fundamental human characteristic. Even animals in the wild form social groups and have a form of society.

Being social is a fundamental human characteristic.

You don't understand that. Not understanding something does not make it untrue.

End of discussion.

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^^ so that make AS= disability?

So in other term you are saying = not naturally social people = Aspies.

Simple as possible

I agree with JWRed.

Yes, it is a disability.

Through hard work, it can be somewhat overcome. But the first step is to admit something is wrong with you. This is something most people on this board refuse to do.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

So I have classic autism?


My parents say I do not and I know my doctors would say the same too.

Exactly, most aspies disagree that it's a disability , yet they refute the possibility that it can be a personality type despite that there's no medical test that proves asperger in a person.

But they also say that AS is a part of Autism and Autism is NOT just social ineptness

what you are saying is very vague , you are saying that introverted and being not social= AS and that introverted behavior is not normal , so let me ask you straight: AS is just equal to social ineptness?? because I am sure that severe social ineptness can be caused by many different and various enviromental factors , many war kids here became abnormally introverted but they were normal before ...does that make them Aspies?

Well, you were pointing to Joel Smith's blog, so it's not unreasonable for people to expect you thought his views somehow supported your own, which they don't.

If people speaking out against cure means people aren't able to choose, then should people be stopped from speaking out for cure too? Your viewpoint doesn't make sense.

oops I just checked the link and I guess i pasted the wrong one , in fact I was reading both pages and mispasted this one instead of this one:http://www.thomasamckean.com/articles/speaking.htm

sorry for the invonvenience

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Don't ridicule things here , " AS is autism and not a personality type" is not yet fact as round earth, science could see round earth , Airlines prove round earth. What does prove "" AS is autism and not a personality type"" that much? nothing.

I don't know what your specific diagnosis is, so I have no idea. Many parents, doctors, autistic people, etc., don't actually know the usage of the term, though, and think it means something other than what it means.

But it's supposed to refer to people much like Kanner diagnosed, and Kanner diagnosed people who ranged from unable to speak at all (one or two of them), to speaking early and learning to interact by speaking at length about their special interests. And everything in between. He made some false generalizations about them, and framed some of their interactions in odd ways (like describing one girl as not listening, but being able to understand instructions anyway, when a more precise view would have said that she lacked certain body language while listening -- that kind of error has to be watched out for in all the literature), but if you look at the actual people, some of them would today be doubtless dxed with AS, and some with autism, and most would be called high-functioning by one measure or another (seeing as their IQs as measured were mostly above 70, and one was even 140 or 150, and also seeing as most of them spoke, etc).

And it's generally considered (in the DSM etc.) to be synonymous with 'autistic disorder' as opposed to other autism-related dxes. (Not agreeing with the categorizations, just mentioning them.)

Okay thanks.

Also (because there's been a ton of misunderstanding) people should be aware that when we wrote the thing we did write against those views, it was meant as a challenge to the viewpoint Tom presented, and not at all because of who he was specifically. We'd have written the same thing if he was, say, Jim Sinclair. Several of us who wrote the response actually like a lot of his writing, but he's got it in his head that we hate him. So our views should not be taken as license to bash him or something.

I was diagnosed as HFA formally and locally but I constulted someone else online years later , since I saw other HFA Autistics who can be visually seen that they have all much more severe cases of autism than 'mine' and my doubts aroused about my dx since then .....

I don't feel it's fair that i should speak in the name of any of those auties, I seem very typical compared to them. Heck , even NT loners are much more like me than them. How the hell me and them have the same dx? that's not even possible.

very good point. it doesn't mean that all introverts are aspies though. but if you're naturally introverted (not as a result of something that happened to you and left a mark on your psyche) or naturally unable to do well socially however much you'd want to, it does mean that there's something deeply wrong with you.



Anna can't wait either.

Not all introverts are aspies. But if you are introverted and lack social skills to the degree that people with AS do, there is something deeply wrong with you.

Lacking a fundamental human characteristic says that something is deeply wrong with you. Something that needs to be fixed.

You just are unable or unwilling to realize this.

Don't beleive the horsesh*t that mental professionals feed you that you are just "different".

What? Do you expect a mental professional to tell you that you are a weirdo?