Is anyone else sick of the anti-NT bias?

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Until NTs decide to put asside their own prejudice towards us and treat us as human beings , they will continue to face bias against them from us.

Of course, because two wrongs make a right

"Two wrongs dont make a right is very lovely idea, but the fact remains that is DOESNT WORK. The Golden Rule requires that everyone have empathy for everyone else, which is obviously Not the case. People, NTs included, are selfish and self-interested. If you are serious about getting NTs to treat us better and suppress their prejudicial impulses you have to give them an INCENTIVE to do so.

Who is "us"?
Certainly you don't mean to speak for every single member of the autistic community, do you?
Because I don't want you speaking for me.

I think that's a very interesting statement, because I don't usually read "obsessive" as carrying negative connotations, although "narrow fixations" perhaps, for the narrowness not the fixatedness. (Fixation?) I tend to read everything as I would write it not as someone wrote it, which is a pretty serious failing of mine. Sorry.

Uh yeah you just proved my point. Thanks
Treating them nicely is certainly an incentive for them to treat us better.

Also 'two wrongs don't make a right' is not exactly paralell with the Golden Rule. Similar ideas but really what it means is that treating someone badly who treated you badly first isn't going to help the situation at all. And yes it does 'work' because it's very true.

Bullying is one of the strongest counterexamples to the principle of "two wrongs dont make a right". If you DONT retaliate against bullies, they will continue to bully you because they have an impulse to do so, and lack empathy for you. If you want people to treat you well, you have to earn their RESPECT first, Not just their sympathy. Ive learned this both from experience as well as ratiocination.

As for the 1st paragraph goes, Ive tried that before and guess what? IT DONT WORK!!

You manage to make everything right all the time by acting wrongly (eg. two wrongs make a right)? Wow that's awesome! You'll have to show me how you do it.

You may be right about bullies but I don't equate 'standing up for yourself' with 'putting others down'.

This is interesting to me too because I don't find the statement "Obsessive, narrow fixations" to be negative either. I do have narrow fixations and obsessions. How does that carry a negative connotation?

In terms of having divisions in a mixed-disability group, I think it may be okay to just let people speak out and then stuff probably blows over when they get it out or work out whatever they are framing.

A few weeks ago, someone (a lawyer who was a political activist) told me I was the best writer that had ever blogged on a certain newspaper's forums. Did that interest me? No. I was only doing it to work out how to say some things, how to frame a certain class of ideas and arguments that seemed important and compelling to me at the time. Do I go there anymore now that I'm done? No. Do I care that I got a reputation and respect on that national paper's forum? That reporters were picking up my ideas and writing articles with them? No. That kind of community sense doesn't mean anything to me.

I don't know if that would apply to many AS people, but it seems to me that the deep divisions that arose in the other mixed-disability forum may be due to people with social instincts being more permanent fixtures and trying to establish persistent patterns of social structure. Something that I question whether many AS people are interested in. Who has the time and social instinct to intentionally create and maintain divisiveness? You would have to have an agenda, too.

How many AS people are permanent fixtures in a community? Any day might be my last on this board. I tend to do things intensively and then stop suddenly as my interest moves elsewhere.

It seems to me that stuff that happens here comes and goes, like the wandering attention of ADHD child... that in this forum people can let people talk as well as they can about certain subjects, and expect that the long-term culture will be relatively unaffected.

I find it to be a useful neutral phrase that refers to the merely normative person without implying that their condition is inherently good or bad.

Magliabechi.

I've internalized that word as a norm, too. But someone questioned me the other day for using the phrase "social obsessions of NTs" so that's when I realized that someone would draw negative inferences from using the same kind of clinical language with NT behavior as we tend to use for AS traits.

I spuppose that makes sense. I don't think I've removed the negative connotation because I was influenced by anything, though. I've only started to think that I have AS in the last 3 months or so. My feelings on the matter are that many people find statements of truth to be offensive. I recognize that I can be very obsessive, therefore it is a truth and is not offensive. But I can seethat other people might find the word 'obsessive' to be non-politically correct or some crap. If the shoe fits....

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The problem is that you have to fight back hard when the person really is a real bully. Because appeasement doesn't work with them. If you're not good at telling the difference between who's a bully and who's just stepped on your toes unintentionally, then you can be too defensive and people will think you're an as*hole.

So like Kung Fu masters who teach how to master fighting so you never have to actually fight, I'm starting to think it's best to learn how to eviscerate bullies, but not to actually ever behave like them. If that makes sense. Kind of like, it's necessary to have the ability to attack someone you perceive to be a bully (but it's not good to do it).

^ I agree. I don't believe that reciprocating bullying behavior is the best way to earn respect. But you do need to stand up for yourself. There's a fine line. I'm not good with fine lines. I generally just ignore those who tease and such things. They can't affect you unless you let them. Physical abuse is a bit different but at least there are usually authorities to take care of such things.

Yes I am sick of it. It's hate speech. If it's hate speech to bad mouth autism, then it should be hate speech to bad mouth NTs.

We complain about people saying bad things about autism but yet we turn around and do it about NT. This is why some people say we act superior and think we think we are superior, this behavior.

Someone makes that autism hate site about us, we complain about it and keep reporting it because the punk was raped and wants to spread that awareness even though she is aware not all auties are rapists. But we turn around and act like all NTs are bad even though we are aware not all of them are bad but we still act like they are because we do the hate talk about them. See the irony here?