According to my psychologist I am suicidal. I want to sue.

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Totally agree.

People complain that Walmart is going overseas for stuff. Duh! We don't know how to run our companies well enough to make it worth buying from our own selves.

Then you got the union. Is it hard to believe that these companies can't afford all those benefits and high salaries when their output is small because of all those breaks (and sleeping) when the economy is doing so bad and whatever it is that they make (i.e. aluminum) isn't worth squat anymore? People wonder why we got all these layoffs going on. What's sad, they will lay off production workers long before overpaid executives.

That's what happens when all you need is people skills to get the job instead of experience, knowledge, and a track record of results.

But the union is another good example of NT Group Behavior.

If he made a big deal about it in front of the psychologist, she might start an inquisition. She would get defensive, want to know why it's such a big deal. She would start explaining that although it sounds like she thought he was suicidal it's not really what she thought and the meaning was misconstrued. She would accuse him of suicidal ideation and that would only make things worse.

That woman doesn't work at the same place anymore and all I have is her first and last name and the name of the state where practiced psychology seven years ago. Is there some website with a database of licensed psychologists where I can actually check the credentials of my former psychologist?

Unless she made it public information, its not slander.

I don't know the exact legal terminology, but she wrote a false statement about me which could potentially damage my reputation. I want that statement removed from my psychological report.

Ah well, if you make a logical argument explaining your worries you might be able to have it removed. Or destroyed. Or something.
Does everyone have a psychological report?
I don't even know if I have one. I tried to get my childhood medical records from University Children's Hospital by going through the protocals and they had nothing. They had all been destroyed by the hospital, maybe a mandatory thing after a few years?
That was really disappointing because I really wanted to see them.
They were gone

Here, we keep them for seven years so I won't bother getting my medical records from 1997 because they are already destroyed. Such a shame. I am not sure what my mother did with all of them.

The teachers and the school promoting the book weren't thinking about death when they gave you the book, they were thinking about giving you assignments involving interesting questions that people rarely think about. The fact that it happened to have a question or two about death in it was secondary (and irrelevant according to them), even if they selected that question specifically for assignment.



I'm almost 100% certain that this falls in the category of aspies not picking up on social cues and taking things too literally. When they ask the question "do you think about death" they're generally expecting a certain kind of context-specific response in which the person asked is able to infer from the question that in that context, the question being asked is not "have you ever thought about death in any way shape or form in your entire life, irrespective of any kind of context in which it may have occurred", but rather actually asking "have you ever considered suicide or ending your life" (which is what NT's generally think about when the question is asked). Remember that context is very important to NTs -- they don't take questions literally the way we often do. If you ask an NT "have you ever thought about death", I don't think it honestly occurs to them that they have -- I don't think their brain generally returns any information about life insurance, wills or burial plans, I think it just goes directly to "no, I've never thought about suicide".

If they want to know about the other stuff, like burial plans, wills or life insurance, the question they ask is "have you ever thought about life insurance?" or "have you prepared a will?" Note that the word "death" doesn't appear in those questions, and hence, NTs don't generally realize they're thinking about death when those questions are asked. The way their brains work compartmentalizes the information separately most of the time. Hence the NT doesn't expect people to want to know about those things unless those things were specifically asked about. Otherwise it's a totally different context.



Well if you're the kind of person who'd like to just label the entire human race "idiots", that's your prerogative. And there's plenty of evidence to support that idea. Do you know that in R&D departments, degreed professionals are expected to have a failure rate of no less than 80%? The reason for that is because we are fallible. So given the situation of being conditioned to expect a particular kind of response from the majority of their patients, it would be rather easy for a psychologist to forget or not realize that an aspie person might answer this particular question differently. That's also the reason why second opinions are important. Because there is always going to be miscommunication and error.

But there wasn't any hospitalization or anything in this case... so... it's over.

I was put in the hospital in Navy boot camp after I threatened to throw myself off the building. It's the only time I've ever been down the left side of that chart that ephemerella posted, and even then I'm not sure I would have been hospitalized if I hadn't been in the Navy because they didn't have anyone else to look after me. There's only been one other time that I've come close - had a plan, but fortunately didn't follow through. Which leaves you down the right side of the chart again, in the "this is a concern" area, not the "holy crap this person is incompetent" area. The left side of that chart, where it says "patient has a plan" is what I was talking about before when I said that I was told that I was suicidal because I was thinking about methods.



Again, it's a different context.

So Mw99 probably doesn't have to worry too much anyway because they'll probably be destroyed next year or so by default.

They keep them for 10 years

Every area must be different. My ex told me the places here in Portland keep them for seven years.

It seems unlikely that anything bad will come of it in the next 3 years.

In what way? Did she share this information with other people, friends or family of yours? Or employers/would-be employers? Aside from posting the alleged results here on this forum (of your own choosing) who else knew?
I could call you a whiny little b***h for caring what other people write or think about you- is that slander? No- because it didn't do any measurable harm. It might piss you off, but it's nothing more than elaborate name-calling.
And besides, for all we know, she might've been right.

Why did it take so long to read the report? Were you a minor when it was put together?

While that's good advice, I broke that rule once, and of all places, the military. Okay, I don't know who was messing with me at the time, but I think this was my NCO (so some people hated my guts, what's new?).... I did something my NCO told me to do which is a very long story, but I even argued it because I thought it was stupid and unnecessary, but either way, I did something that appeared suicidal to my first shirt (which it might of been reported to him by my NCO in which case, that's total entrapment). Either way, the shirt decided I needed to go to "life skills" (base shrink) with a guardian because he thought I was suicidal. So I go there and fill out all this paperwork, and i get this guy who looked younger than me and I still can't fathom him old enough to have a PhD, but either way, he asked me all these questions about death and all that jive. I, without thought frustrated, said "I would be homicidal long before I'd be suicidal, and since I question killing the bug because I value all life, I doubt the homicidal thing would happen anytime soon." He did drop it after that, but I did say something that "insulted" him and what was it? Besides the fact that I kept asking him if he was old enough to have a PhD, which I thought should have been a compliment on how well he looked more so than insulting his ability to function, but I made a comment that really got him to flat out tell me that I wasn't allowed to say that anymore in his office. I can't think of it, but it was something simple and non intrusive like "the sky is blue" type thing, and I also remember him throwing rank in my face and constantly reminding me that he outranked me. I bet he was narcissistic because I always tick those types of guys off.

Either way, I think psychotic people, like myself, just find themselves attracted to the field of psychology.

I think there is a website, but I think it does it by location. I remember something like that for a Psyc class. Your best bet may be to google the name (even try the name with PhD), but if she ain't there anymore, maybe kharma beat you to it. Another thing you could do is to hire a Private Investigator to find her for you (through police computers), but they don't usually come cheap. If you got a cop friend, he might at least do a basic background check for you. Also, you could try to google Psychology, License, and the state and see if you can find any governing authority on the subject and write them anyway.

Another thing to consider is that it's possible the diagnosis was made for other reasons than what you mentioned. Maybe the way you answered death has no bearing on the diagnosis. Maybe it was something you said earlier or later in the conversation, or maybe it was a bunch of things together such as profiling, and maybe it was just a means to bill the insurance company (if applicable) for some extra money or to have the visit as well as future visits paid for.

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In my example about teachers, I was trying to say how NT's got me thinking about death, whether they intended to or not.

I understand context now, or it's existance as I don't fully understand context, but I think I do better than some. But, we didn't get the full context, so all I had to work off of was a general question. When you ask me to find context in a pretend conversation (such as normal generalizations like the word death), then I can't find it, and it's stupid that it's there because it defeats the whole purpose of language and mocks the works of Noah Webster.

On this specifically, I understood it as one question of suicide followed by many questions of death, and that's not enough for me to realize suicide is the context the psychologist was going off of as they often chunk suicide and death related questions together when trying to just get to know the patient. In other words, without the exact script of the conversation (as well as purpose of the visit and history of visits), I really don't know the context.

I don't care what the excuse was for the psychologist to not ask further questions. It's just important to ask more questions to find out what's going on. Many people in answering the questions seem to either talk themselves out of something or in to something (which is why that's best supervised) but also, they give clues to the root of things. Either the psychologist (not all of them, but the one in the story in the OP) is an airhead idiot, or she's really sloppy with her work (meaning she shouldn't quit her night job), or she intentionally did what she did. Either way, she can't be trusted, and she failed, and there's no excuse for failure, right?

The only reason why I'm being this hard on her is because people are usually this hard on me, and i just don't think there should be a bias. You being in the Navy should know what it's like to have the world around you expect nothing but perfection because if you don't pay attention to every detail, people die. But, the Navy is allowed to make mistakes all the time, and it should be forgiven because that's just how it is and to complain about it is wrong. But in all honesty, I should be nicer about the idea that people do make mistakes as no one is flawless. What can I say? The world gets what they give.

Besides, psychology is such a gray area of science that when they diagnose too quick and too often, they lose more of the scientific method, and it wouldn't surprise me if in years, psychology has the credibility of astrology.