Logical Aspies

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that's the thing. I don't see emotion as the enemy of reason. It influences the person, sets a inward timeline for completion, and makes then care. There is purpose to emotion. But not as the basis for reasoning. For example.

A person wants to drive to work. Emotion influences the desire route they take, the urgency by which they travel (which in small doses is good and large doses is bad). Logic merely dictates that they must go to work to earn money to purchase necessities to live.

Now, lets say that emotionally I feel fulfilled by taking a scenic route to work. Logic dictates that I must allow additional time for the route, therefore I must set my alarm to leave earlier. Emotion has dictated the desire and logic has rationally set up the how.

Without rational thinking. I would wake up (maybe late because I felt like sleeping in) and when I got in the car I would decide to take a scenic route, which is longer and would make me late. But I feel like it so I do so anyway. Maybe I speed part of the way through the unscenic parts. And when I get in late to work I get in trouble.

I think that the logic itself is not relative, but what we deem "logical" is relative.

you sound like the Grand Inquisitor from the brothers karamazov lol

...Now I'm totally lost.

you are arguing from the position of defending logic, but no one has attacked rational thinking in this post or shed negative light on it compared to emotional response. we were arguing that it is both together that are necessary. all you have done in this post is restated that.

I don't think you know what you are arguing.

I am more pragmatic than logical.

there is no human being alive that can completely separate emotion from logic except for perhaps sociopaths. anyone else is constantly viewing the world through an emotional lense, whether they like to admit it or not. every single person has feelings that influence their reasoning at all times, it is inescapable. to think that you are beyond having your emotions have any sway on your decision making simply through conscious choice is a little unrealistic. you cannot help the fact that you have an emotional brain. logic serves to BALANCE that emotion, to interact and cooperate with it, not to correct for it or replace it. emotional perspective is irremovable from human consciousness. so all thinking, all consideration, weighing and judging of factors and choices is done through an emotional brain. you can't escape your feelings by being rational. you only think you can. it is human nature.

and what about love? love is completely illogical. it causes us to do completely irrational things. it causes us to reason with our emotions. is this bad, or rather unfavourable to more rational thinking that does not involve love? what would the world look like if we completely separated love out of our reasoning ability, if we never allowed it to make some of our decisions for us? that is a terrifying idea.

you really don't know what you are arguing about.

1. sociopaths do not remove emotion from logic as it is believed they have a complete lack of emotion. There is a difference between separating emotion from logic, and having no emotion at all.

2. I never said people were completely logical. I never said people do not have emotions. I never said people are not influenced in some way by emotion. Yet somehow you manage to read into what I say, to twist it to mean something it does not mean, and to come out swinging and arguing like there is no tomorrow about something you obviously are not reading correctly.



love the emotion is completely logical. As humans we are social creature that form long term attachments. The biochemical reaction of love seeks to establish a connection for the purposes of social interaction and reproduction as well as familial relationships. It exists in animals as well. So why you think that love is illogical.. I have no clue. You seem to either not comprehend emotions, or logic, or reasoning... or all 3.

Now reasoning with emotion instead of logic, can cause people to do irrational things as they are unable to separate their feelings from what is best for them. I.E. women staying with abusive husbands because they love them. They are not being influenced properly by emotion and so instead of thinking logically, they make their decisions emotionally, based on how they feel... at that specific point in time.

I will only say this one more time, if you haven't understood it by then I have no idea how to explain it to you.

Your emotions influence aspects of how and why you do things. The reasoning behind it... is supposed to be logical. The definition of logical is "capable of or reflecting the capability for correct and valid reasoning". Reasoning is defined as "thinking that is coherent and logical" also defined as "is a complex process involving a number of abilities including association, categorization, cause and effect, problem solving, organization, generalization, and judgment of safety"

emotional is defined as "determined or actuated by emotion rather than reason" and "determinant of the sense of subjective well-being" and an "involuntary, subjective, physiological response to an object or a situation"

why can't you accept that we might just have a different opinion on this matter, why does it have to be that you are right and i don't understand you?

i don't think it has been established that sociopaths have no emotion at all. i'm pretty sure they can feel anger. they just cannot understand that OTHER PEOPLE have feelings, as well, among other things....the point i was trying to make is that emotion and logic are never separate, but in fact constantly influencing each other, in a functioning human brain. you were the one who asserted that they did not co-mingle. i'm pretty sure those were your words. i think they only don't co-mingle in sociopaths, is what i was trying to say. for everyone else, the two things (logic and emotion) are inextricable from each other, completely intertwined in all ways because of human perception. because of human nature.

i think i am maybe not the only one who is not reading responses clearly. you have to be willing to consider the other person's argument, not just try to assert how right you are....otherwise, what is the point in debating?

you are entitled to your opinion.

I like to debate... I love to debate. Intellectually, logically, for the purposes of altering or adjusting my position and to hear the other person's side.

I do not like to argue with people who are so set in their ways that they can't see the position of the other person because they are too busy trying to maintain their own position. In other words, I do not like to argue for the sake of arguing. There is no purpose to it. And it makes me



and for that reason, I will be pulling out of our ridiculously long tangent to maintain the original post discussion. You have no real position you are just really really reading my posts wrong and you are trying to maintain that I am stating things I am not stating and you are not reading definitions that I post which usually works to clear up misunderstandings and no one else seems to be having as big of a problem not reading posts correctly. So if you want to continue to argue with someone for the sake of arguing, I suggest starting a new thread on emotional and logical thinking and whichever one you want to favor or whatever position you want. This thread is supposed to be on whether or not Aspies are as logical of thinkers as they are portrayed and I wish to maintain that discussion. Not the current track the thread is taking. Which ironically is proving that many aren't.

No Sociopaths lack empathy and conscience, they do have emotions.


What determines if someone is logical or emotionally biased is it how they make decisions? Do they go with emotions or logic? I am fairly emotional but mostly make my decisions based on logic. To me it is often the difference between people who lack self control and those that are disciplined. I am pretty disciplined but only through choice because at heart I am impulsive. So does this make me logical or emotional? My decisions are decided more by logic but I am still quite emotional. But compared to someone that doesn't feel hardly any emotions then I am not logical at all.

this is why my argument was valid--i was trying to explore the raltionship between logic and emotion, and why in your original post it was presented in the light that a person can be either logical or emotional when making decisions, but not both. i don't believe it is so easy to draw a nice straight line down the centre of the human mind, so that emotion can conveniently be removed from a decision making process when it is not convenient or helpful.

there is no need to be rude or condescending. i have been trying very hard to follow all of your responses and answer each of them based on the point i thought you were trying to make. if i was wrong i am sorry. i don't think it was necessary to be rude or poke fun (the stephen colbert pic was a nice under-handed little stab at me). if you don't agree, and you think my point of view is completely invalid, that's fine. you just might want to try to be a little less condescending towards people you are trying to debate with in the future.

condescension is an emotional response. so is rudeness and pettiness. so much for logical decisions, i guess. is this the irony you spoke of? i was just trying to be included in the discussion. i suppose i should avoid your posts from now on since you have made it clear to me that i will not be able to follow your point of view because it is beyond my comprehension. thank you for the adance warning. i'm sorry we weren't able to have a more fruitful discussion.