Why do most people with AS believe in UFOs?

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Ichinin
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13 Apr 2009, 1:34 pm

An UFO does not automatically become an alien in a ship from another star system. It is just what it says it is: an unidentified flying object. People are too irrational and scream "alien" when they see something.

The governments really should turn off the streetlights to prevent people from reporting alien invasions... :roll:


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13 Apr 2009, 1:40 pm

Ichinin wrote:
An UFO does not automatically become an alien in a ship from another star system. It is just what it says it is: an unidentified flying object. People are too irrational and scream "alien" when they see something.

The governments really should turn off the streetlights to prevent people from reporting alien invasions... :roll:


Or alternatively the 'government' nee Military Industrial Complex should start releasing some of it's research into electro static charges for civil application.



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13 Apr 2009, 1:54 pm

Jamin wrote:
Do in fact most Aspies think there are UFO's? :alien:


Well I don't but how knows whats out there.



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06 May 2009, 11:12 pm

To the OP,
How can you be so naive to think that UFOs are a mass conspiracy - in the direction of being false?
Any person that does research into the matter will conclude they do exist, otherwise your once healthy skepticism is replaced with blind ignorance;
Mass sightings, credible sighting by teachers, politicians, military personnel, etc. all a mass conspiracy?
Here are some famous people who believe: General Douglas MacArthur, J Edgar Hoover, Monsignor Corrado Balducci, Professor Stephen Hawking, Jimmy Carter, Dr. Herman Oberth, Dr J Allen Hynek, Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, Ronald Reagan, Mikhail Gorbachev, Richard Nixon, Dr. Walther Riedel and more...
What makes more scientific sense? Religions, or, the interpretation of ancient visitors as gods and divine beings? I mean look at all the evidence of UFOs in ancient artwork and writings. There are accounts of them stretching back throughout all of human history spanning across all different civilizations.
Billions of people blindly believe on faith alone in their religions, but all the UFO evidence means what to them? That shows that human conditioning is so strong that some people will ignore common sense and rationality because of the lingering sense that people who believe in UFOs are somehow crazy.
Look at it this way, look how far humans have come technology wise in our short time on this earth. Is it possible to conceive that within the next 4 million or so years of exponentially growing technology and globalization of society that we perhaps will be visiting other planets? If you think to yourself, yes, that is perhaps possible, then why not other planets that have perhaps produces intelligent life forms who have had 5 million or more years of being around the universe than earth been able to do that? Oh wait they probably have.
Do some research, don't base your skepticism off your upbringing and ideas that humans are the s**t.
Because we aren't.



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06 May 2009, 11:17 pm

I don't believe anything. Belief is an emotion I lack.

Aliens? They could easily view and observe us via means that avoid visual and radioactive detection. Interstellar transportation requires many things in regards to cognitive development which leads on to technological development, where viewing, categorizing, defining and understanding everything on Earth from many, many light years away, is but a stroll through a park compared to getting here. Sure, I'm viewing this from the perspective of a human, but we're all bound to the same laws in our four dimensions.



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07 May 2009, 5:36 am

Morrismonster wrote:
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Any person that does research into the matter will conclude they do exist
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Yes indeed. Unidentified Flying Objects do exist. They stay unidentified all the way up to the point where someone identifies what they are.

If you are saying that aliens are visiting the Earth in oddly-shaped craft, and some proportion of the UFO sightings are just poorly concealed such craft, that would make them IFOs - Identified Flying Objects.

Unfortunately for that logic, there doesn't seem to be a single case of an identified alien craft, at all, yet.


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07 May 2009, 6:13 am

I don't believe in UFO's, anymore than I believe in God...then again, I don't disbelieve in either as well. I can't say I believe in anything that I have no physical experience with....though at the same time, I find it hard to believe we are it in the big picture. Seems almost narcissistic to believe that humans on this planet are the supreme beings of all creatures. Oh, and the OP seems very condescending to me.



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07 May 2009, 6:36 am

Why are you shouting?


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07 May 2009, 6:56 am

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That said, I've always found UFOs piloted by aliens extremely difficult to believe because modern technology would have found them years ago, given that modern radar can pinpoint anything bigger than an apple without too much difficulty, providing we are watching a sparse enough area (the upper atmosphere for existence). Of course, you can appeal to conspiracy but I just cannot believe that someone major has not blown the lid on it. With time, the political and military personal will age and new people come into the system. Surely at least a few of them, when they first encounter this evidence (and certainly evidence for contact between humans and aliens) would feel it worth mentioning. Or if they did not want to ruin their career, why not wait until they retire or indeed are dying, achieve lasting fame by revealing the truth to the world. I'm fairly convinced that, at least at some point before I die, I would try and get this material out into the public if I were sufficiently important, say a general or major politician. Could Bush have turned round the republican party’s and his own fortunes by finally being the party and person who reveals the truth to the public? Sure it would have helped.


Seriously, how far do you think this would get. If Bush was to come out on CNN tonight and announce that the government had been tracking UFO's all these years. Even IF this was really going on, it would not be that simple.

In any case, I believe UFOs exist as there is plenty of documentation of unkown objects as both visual and radar contacts.
I myself have seen unidentified objects which did not fit in the aircraft/weather balloon pattern. In as far as specifically identifying these objects as alien space craft from such and such a system. Well, if they ARE identified as such, then they are not UFO's anymore are they and would then just become another of the KNOWN objects leaving us with the OTHER UFOs that are not alien to wonder about.



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07 May 2009, 7:10 am

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How could anyone in their right mind believe in something that hasn't been proven to be real?


Absolutely. Just think how much better the world would have been if nobody did that.
But then, how would anything actually get proven real? Who would have the inclination to try to prove something real if they don't believe it is real? They might not know it but certainly it would take the belief to go to the trouble.

There have meen many examples where people believed that something was possible despite prevaling knowledge actually
indicating that it was impossible.

For example, heavier than air flight or the existance of germs causing illness and patient deaths. Countless more examples throughout history.

Actually, come to think of it, it is a good thing for us as a society that there has always been people who are willing to believe things not yet proven to be real but even to be willing to go against the then believed reality to accomplish that which was supposed to be impossible.



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07 May 2009, 7:15 am

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How could anyone in their right mind believe in something that hasn't been proven to be real?


I find string-theory pretty convincing



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07 May 2009, 7:16 am

Emor wrote:
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There is no such thing as UFOs.

We are the only life in the entire Universe.

They are not green, they are gray.

You can't say that without any certainty.
There's already a lot of evidence saying that life was(and maybe in the future is[http://google.com/virgle/]) sustainable on Mars, due to high levels of methane which can only be explained by living organisms.
Also, if they 'don't exist' then how can you specify what colour a non-existent object is?(You can't).
EMZ.


I believe this to be an example of humour due to the logical impossibility of the final statement when compared to the earlier statements thereby causing it to be unexpected and causing an intellectual tension. This seems to be a common form of humour.



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07 May 2009, 7:40 am

I have something interesting to add for those of you who want to do some research on UFOs.

In the USA (I can't speak for other countries here), the first mass UFO sightings occured around the 1890s in the midwest, western states. People would report seeing an inflated kind of craft with a gondola underneath it. Some people said they would see a ladder drop and a man descend the ladder. Interesting is that in twenty years, airships came into being as passenger transportation.

In the USA in the 1940s many people saw UFOs that looked like saucers. Interesting again is the fact that the military was working with a saucer shaped flying craft (though it was never said to fly well). Hollywood also portrayed UFOs as saucers.

In the USA in the 1950s-1960s, many people saw boomerang shaped UFOs with lights. Again, interesting because this was the time the military was working with the "Flying Wing" which became the Stealth Bomber. (Work on the Flying Wing, which was thought to be a good passenger aircraft idea, may have begun in the 1940s).

Now, many people see individual orbs of light that behave erratically. Could we be seeing military experiments?

For those who believe in alien life, it could be that the military gets its ideas from other worldly places.

Well...it is fun research.

I heard this once about Area 51. Suppose they are testing top-secret experimental aircraft. What better way to get the curious people to quit trying to spy out these experiments than to spread a rumor that Area 51 is working with crashed alien craft? The public then turns their attention on alien cover-ups rather than experimental military aircraft.


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07 May 2009, 8:11 am

i only believe in identified flying objects.



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07 May 2009, 1:07 pm

JadedMantis wrote:
Seriously, how far do you think this would get. If Bush was to come out on CNN tonight and announce that the government had been tracking UFO's all these years.


Well, Dave Chappelle didn't have any trouble ;)


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07 May 2009, 1:08 pm

I don't. I also don't believe in psychics, anything supernatural, bigfoot or other nonsense.