Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers

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14 Feb 2010, 8:02 am

I mentioned in another topic, but it fits here as well.

The difference between having Aspie traits, and being autistic may be easier to understand by thinking about bats.


Bats can send out sounds which very few creatures can hear, and use the information to do amazing things.

A Bat with Asperger's traits would perhaps be annoyed by the sounds, but still able to receive the information from them, though they may prefer to avoid it altogether.

An Aspie-Bat would be unable to pick up the information whether they wanted to or not.


If you can pick up body language, implied verbal meanings, so on... even if you're awkward, or just dislike doing so... you're able to echolocate in the social world.

I'm flying blind here, keep that in mind.



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14 Feb 2010, 8:29 am

justMax wrote:
I mentioned in another topic, but it fits here as well.
The difference between having Aspie traits, and being autistic may be easier to understand by thinking about bats.
Bats can send out sounds which very few creatures can hear, and use the information to do amazing things.
A Bat with Asperger's traits would perhaps be annoyed by the sounds, but still able to receive the information from them, though they may prefer to avoid it altogether.
An Aspie-Bat would be unable to pick up the information whether they wanted to or not.
If you can pick up body language, implied verbal meanings, so on... even if you're awkward, or just dislike doing so... you're able to echolocate in the social world.
I'm flying blind here, keep that in mind.

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dear sir-
your analogies are fine, but please consider that in-between no body-language comprehension and normal body-language comprehension, is a gray area of restricted or limited ability to read body language, still a disability if the majority of it you can't get. imagine living in france when the only phrase you can remember is "il pète plus haut que son cul" [roughly translated, "he farts higher than his ass"]- just see how far that would get you. same with folk with aspie traits, one is very nearly as hamstrung socially as one who is within spittin' distance of having the syndrome/autism. so please cut a wee bit o' slack to those in this forum who are not pure aspies/autistic but still struggle just the same. i am dx'ed AS but i am worthless in the social world. body language escapes me. i am "the thing who would not leave." my echolocation seems to be MIA.
p.s., i don't understand what you mean by "flying blind", please give me a clue.



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14 Feb 2010, 1:04 pm

well let us see.I diagnosed myself 5 years ago,went to a psychiatrist unofficially he confirmed it,told my mom and she said that i was sent to a psychiatrist at the age of 3.....hmm....might this topic be wrong?



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15 Feb 2010, 10:52 am

versus wrote:
well let us see.I diagnosed myself 5 years ago,went to a psychiatrist unofficially he confirmed it,told my mom and she said that i was sent to a psychiatrist at the age of 3.....hmm....might this topic be wrong?

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no sir, not a wrong topic at all. if you veer-off on a tangent that is fine also.

i was sent to a psychiatric pediatric guy about that age also. given a choice of institutionalization or not, not was chosen. i wonder if i had been institutionalized, where would i be now? it was the dark ages [early 60s]. i eventually went to school a year late. was always slow except in things relating to english. no math ability to speak-of other than basic tabulation. no athletic ability. logic escapes me unless it is very simple.



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15 Feb 2010, 5:15 pm

auntblabby wrote:
justMax wrote:
I mentioned in another topic, but it fits here as well.
The difference between having Aspie traits, and being autistic may be easier to understand by thinking about bats.
Bats can send out sounds which very few creatures can hear, and use the information to do amazing things.
A Bat with Asperger's traits would perhaps be annoyed by the sounds, but still able to receive the information from them, though they may prefer to avoid it altogether.
An Aspie-Bat would be unable to pick up the information whether they wanted to or not.
If you can pick up body language, implied verbal meanings, so on... even if you're awkward, or just dislike doing so... you're able to echolocate in the social world.
I'm flying blind here, keep that in mind.

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dear sir-
your analogies are fine, but please consider that in-between no body-language comprehension and normal body-language comprehension, is a gray area of restricted or limited ability to read body language, still a disability if the majority of it you can't get. imagine living in france when the only phrase you can remember is "il pète plus haut que son cul" [roughly translated, "he farts higher than his ass"]- just see how far that would get you. same with folk with aspie traits, one is very nearly as hamstrung socially as one who is within spittin' distance of having the syndrome/autism. so please cut a wee bit o' slack to those in this forum who are not pure aspies/autistic but still struggle just the same. i am dx'ed AS but i am worthless in the social world. body language escapes me. i am "the thing who would not leave." my echolocation seems to be MIA.
p.s., i don't understand what you mean by "flying blind", please give me a clue.


Lacking echolocation = flying blind, I too can not see these cues. Until they were pointed out to me directly I was completely unaware of them, and even now I am unable to decipher them naturally, or notice them unless deliberately focusing... "cupping my hand to my ear" so to speak.

That would be a difference between sharing traits with those on the spectrum, and actually being on the spectrum.



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15 Feb 2010, 9:06 pm

i cannot really tell those who were diagnosed from those who were self diagnosed without actually looking at the profiles so i am conjecturing that the self diagnoses are more or less accurate. yet i still think that for a group of individuals who claim to be so different from everyone, many people here talk similarly, and like many other groups for those who feel different, there seems to be a certain kind of uniformity here (not because most people here have similar disorders-even those with similar disorders still have different personalities)-therefore the cliquiness here seems to result more from wanting to fit in- which defeats the purpose of this forum. i do not claim to be entirely unique, but the only reason for my not sticking out too much in life is the fact that i do not imitate any specific culture and therefore look rather nondescript. so my point is that it is surprising that a group of people with social disorders would immitate each other so much since this is the exact thing that those on the spectrum cannot do.



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15 Feb 2010, 9:17 pm

Actually for many of us, imitation is a much relied on coping strategy. When you cannot follow verbal instruction lists unless they are written down and every teacher insists on directing children by giving such a verbal list without writing it down
(sometimes for activities that take place over many weeks), the most practical solution is to copy what others are doing.

Evidently "social echolalia" is not uncommon in the course of Aspergers Syndrome.



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15 Feb 2010, 9:29 pm

Doctors. Doctors. Doctors.

Y'all know there's a reason they call it a medical practice, right?

It's because they often don't know what they're doing and they're just using you for a test case.

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15 Feb 2010, 10:41 pm

If the self diagnosed do not have aspergers(as per the OP's claim), what did diagnosed autists have, pre-diagnosis?

If I get the answer I expect, I think I shall have myself diagnosed as a millionaire.


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16 Feb 2010, 12:53 am

IslandAspie wrote:
Doctors. Doctors. Doctors.

Y'all know there's a reason they call it a medical practice, right?

It's because they often don't know what they're doing and they're just using you for a test case.

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16 Feb 2010, 1:10 am

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I've been here for less than a week and looking around the forum it seems like many people are self diagnosed. They hear about aspergers and think they have it because they are kind of shy and have a hobby they are obsessed with. They take the online test and tell themselves that all their inabilities in life are from aspergers. Self diagnosed should just be undiagnosed. Aspergers is such a complicated disorder that only a doctor can tell you if you have it or not.


Do doctors know everything, or do they make mistakes? Can they misdiagnose someone? Sure.



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16 Feb 2010, 1:43 am

IslandAspie wrote:
Doctors. Doctors. Doctors.

Y'all know there's a reason they call it a medical practice, right?

It's because they often don't know what they're doing and they're just using you for a test case.

~IslandAspie~

Exactly!! !! !



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16 Feb 2010, 2:31 am

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i think the bkghfdk person is near the top and i think that also the kenm person is near the top even though he gets savage replies often.
they have some magical ingredient in their posts which invites replies.

I think bkghfdk is at the bottom. His views are completely biased and he's a bit of a bigot. He refused to renounce his opinions even when they have been all but proven false by half a dozen posters. Sorry bkghfdk.

Also, I like you.


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16 Feb 2010, 8:59 am

IslandAspie wrote:
Doctors. Doctors. Doctors.

Y'all know there's a reason they call it a medical practice, right?

It's because they often don't know what they're doing and they're just using you for a test case.

~IslandAspie~


Wow, you're an idiot.

Yeah, doctors totally don't know what they're talking about. Forget the fact that they went through university and medical school, completed a residency, and had to take a test to even be able to practice medicine, and they have to constantly be up-to-date with the latest medical breakthroughs. They should just defer to some schlub who took a "DO YOU HAVE ASPERGER'S" test online.


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Wow, you're an idiot.

Yeah, doctors totally don't know what they're talking about. Forget the fact that they went through university and medical school, completed a residency, and had to take a test to even be able to practice medicine, and they have to constantly be up-to-date with the latest medical breakthroughs. They should just defer to some schlub who took a "DO YOU HAVE ASPERGER'S" test online.

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16 Feb 2010, 9:04 am

Moony wrote:
b9 wrote:
i think the bkghfdk person is near the top and i think that also the kenm person is near the top even though he gets savage replies often.
they have some magical ingredient in their posts which invites replies.

I think bkghfdk is at the bottom. His views are completely biased and he's a bit of a bigot. He refused to renounce his opinions even when they have been all but proven false by half a dozen posters. Sorry bkghfdk.

Also, I like you.


How can you like me when you think I'm a bigot?