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16 Feb 2010, 7:18 pm

hes not going after all of u. hes rite since there r plenty who r se;f disgnosed for those reasons he stated. he wasnt saying all of u were


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16 Feb 2010, 7:28 pm

Give the personal attacks a break, folks. Please keep it civil and take any personal grievances elsewhere. Thank you.


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16 Feb 2010, 9:49 pm

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I have no problems with imagining that a socially awkward, insecure nerd would diagnose himself with AS.


Neither do I; I do have problems with nonsensical presumptions based on inaccurate assessments. I'm just like that though--be it AS or just me. :?



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17 Feb 2010, 5:43 am

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Wow, you're an idiot.


Get your face out of the mirror, already. Your narcissism makes you ugly.

So far most people seem to disagree with OP's assertion. You're outnumbered, dudette.

And besides, if someone wants to pin so much of their personal identity on what someone else says about them because that someone wears a white coat and carries a badge (and spent a bunch of money to sit in a bunch of classrooms), it's sad and terribly limiting, yes, but it is their right and their privilege.

We all have to grow up some time. Being 19 with AS isn't easy, I know, because it only accentuates the belief that you know everything already and that everyone else is wrong.

You, girl, are in for some rude surprises in your later life.

And stay out the Phoenix sun this summer - it'll only fry your brain more.


Actually, my identity isn't based on my Asperger's. I actually can't stand having it. I also can't stand how people diagnose themselves with it when they fit only a few of the symptoms. Self-diagnosis only takes you so far.

I don't even get why self-diagnosed people get upset if you question them. Why would you even want to have ASD? Sure, it's nice being smart, but do you want the crippling social anxiety that goes along with ASD? Do you want to be lumped in with people like Chris-chan? Do you want to have sensory problems?


No, I don't want the problems I have, but WHETHER OR NOT I WANT THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE THERE, and an ASD is the best explanation I've found for them, and this is after a lot of research into other possible conditions as well as ASDs.

Addressing a previous post by you: why the assumption that everyone who thinks that they have an ASD must have come to that conclusion by just taking an online test?


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17 Feb 2010, 7:39 am

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i think the bkghfdk person is near the top and i think that also the kenm person is near the top even though he gets savage replies often.
they have some magical ingredient in their posts which invites replies.

I think bkghfdk is at the bottom.


i note with no bias that bkghdsf's posts are always attractive to many replies.
i like to read his posts because i like to witness disasters, and i guess that is the reason so many people feel compelled to reply to him with energetic rebuttal.

people like to respond primarily to what gets them riled up, and i like to see people in a state of uncharacteristic rebuke.

whatever.
he is just a kid.



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17 Feb 2010, 11:59 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
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Wow, you're an idiot.


Get your face out of the mirror, already. Your narcissism makes you ugly.

So far most people seem to disagree with OP's assertion. You're outnumbered, dudette.

And besides, if someone wants to pin so much of their personal identity on what someone else says about them because that someone wears a white coat and carries a badge (and spent a bunch of money to sit in a bunch of classrooms), it's sad and terribly limiting, yes, but it is their right and their privilege.

We all have to grow up some time. Being 19 with AS isn't easy, I know, because it only accentuates the belief that you know everything already and that everyone else is wrong.

You, girl, are in for some rude surprises in your later life.

And stay out the Phoenix sun this summer - it'll only fry your brain more.


Actually, my identity isn't based on my Asperger's. I actually can't stand having it. I also can't stand how people diagnose themselves with it when they fit only a few of the symptoms. Self-diagnosis only takes you so far.

I don't even get why self-diagnosed people get upset if you question them. Why would you even want to have ASD? Sure, it's nice being smart, but do you want the crippling social anxiety that goes along with ASD? Do you want to be lumped in with people like Chris-chan? Do you want to have sensory problems?


No, I don't want the problems I have, but WHETHER OR NOT I WANT THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE THERE, and an ASD is the best explanation I've found for them, and this is after a lot of research into other possible conditions as well as ASDs.

Addressing a previous post by you: why the assumption that everyone who thinks that they have an ASD must have come to that conclusion by just taking an online test?


Because that's how I've noticed most people self-diagnose themselves. Either that or they read an article on it.

And see a psychiatrist. You could also have NLD, which has most of the same symptoms as ASD, or you could just be socially awkward.


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17 Feb 2010, 3:33 pm

I would have thought it the other way actually, that people diagnose themselves because they learn about the symptoms, read up on it, and later find out about tests and communities like this one.

I didn't take a test and decide "welp, I'm an Aspie!" suddenly, I researched it nonstop for several days before even mentioning it to those who knew me in a passing manner, to which I received universal "that sounds just like you" responses, and then sought out communities online such as this one.


Remember, we're known for being excessively literal thinkers, for autodidactic learning habits, and a penchant for pursuing that which fascinates us to great lengths.

If you randomly went through a facebook page and took an AQ test and decided you're an Aspie, that's one thing... if you went through and studied the DSM-IV, crosschecked with those who could confirm or deny details of your childhood, and learned the subject before ever seeing a test... that might be a different thing.



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17 Feb 2010, 4:27 pm

justMax wrote:
If you randomly went through a facebook page and took an AQ test and decided you're an Aspie, that's one thing... if you went through and studied the DSM-IV, crosschecked with those who could confirm or deny details of your childhood, and learned the subject before ever seeing a test... that might be a different thing.

I agree. I went over and over it before I finally decided to get formal about it.

Then I got it formally and went over and over it disbelieving it.

Then having decided it must be a mistake, I went over and over it and had no option but to just accept it because I had other perseverative things to be getting on with :D



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17 Feb 2010, 10:21 pm

Delirium wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Delirium wrote:
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Wow, you're an idiot.


Get your face out of the mirror, already. Your narcissism makes you ugly.

So far most people seem to disagree with OP's assertion. You're outnumbered, dudette.

And besides, if someone wants to pin so much of their personal identity on what someone else says about them because that someone wears a white coat and carries a badge (and spent a bunch of money to sit in a bunch of classrooms), it's sad and terribly limiting, yes, but it is their right and their privilege.

We all have to grow up some time. Being 19 with AS isn't easy, I know, because it only accentuates the belief that you know everything already and that everyone else is wrong.

You, girl, are in for some rude surprises in your later life.

And stay out the Phoenix sun this summer - it'll only fry your brain more.


Actually, my identity isn't based on my Asperger's. I actually can't stand having it. I also can't stand how people diagnose themselves with it when they fit only a few of the symptoms. Self-diagnosis only takes you so far.

I don't even get why self-diagnosed people get upset if you question them. Why would you even want to have ASD? Sure, it's nice being smart, but do you want the crippling social anxiety that goes along with ASD? Do you want to be lumped in with people like Chris-chan? Do you want to have sensory problems?


No, I don't want the problems I have, but WHETHER OR NOT I WANT THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE THERE, and an ASD is the best explanation I've found for them, and this is after a lot of research into other possible conditions as well as ASDs.

Addressing a previous post by you: why the assumption that everyone who thinks that they have an ASD must have come to that conclusion by just taking an online test?


Because that's how I've noticed most people self-diagnose themselves. Either that or they read an article on it.

And see a psychiatrist. You could also have NLD, which has most of the same symptoms as ASD, or you could just be socially awkward.


I haven't noticed most people self-diagnosing themselves that way. I've noticed a lot of people getting their initial suspicions from such things, but that's not the same thing as self-diagnosis.

I've seen a psychiatrist. He doesn't listen properly, and he dismisses everything I tell him as "avoidant behaviour" even when I explain that it's because things are either not interesting, exhaustingly difficult, or physically painful, which I think are pretty good reasons for avoidance.
I plan to see someone who knows a bit more about ASDs, but at the moment I'm just too overwhelmed with life to be able to deal with it.

I have considered NLD, and it's something that I haven't ruled out completely.
It's not just social awkwardness; the social component is only one part of my problems. I lack a sense of emotional connection to people, body language looks like a foreign language, eye contact feels like looking into the sun, and conversation is constant work for (usually) no good reward, and people are just confusing.
Besides the social aspect, I get fixated on things to the extent of not being able to think of anything else, and I'll spend hours wasting time on theses things and not get anything else done. It's interfered with my studies, and it used to interfere with taking care of my personal hygiene. I've got a decent number of repetitive motor mannerisms. My clumsiness is a running joke in my family- my body never quite does what I tell it to do, and I have trouble locating myself in space, and I have trouble with spatial perception.
I can't do one more-than-tiny thing outside of my routine per week without going into head-banging, wrist-biting meltdowns.
If I'm somewhere where there are more than a few people, the noise is painful, and if it's crowded, I start to have trouble walking, and my visual processing goes haywire. The most likely outcome of a day out is a migraine. I'm constantly being driven to distraction by my clothing and my hair brushing against my face, because light touch from those things causes burning pain.
I'm less organised than most 10-year-old children I've seen.
The above problems cause a lot of pain and exhaustion, and cast doubts in my mind on my ability to manage independent life.

It wasn't just a case of "sometimes I don't quite know what to say to people and I don't always feel like socialising" that made me try to find out what was wrong.


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17 Feb 2010, 11:41 pm

I still don't see why you people have to self-diagnose yourselves when instead you could just identify WITH autistics and say you share similar attributes/experiences with them. Self-diagnosing is part of the reason Asperger's is so discredited, especially on the internet.



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18 Feb 2010, 12:41 am

Delirium wrote:
Because [an online test is] how I've noticed most people self-diagnose themselves. Either that or they read an article on it.

And see a psychiatrist. You could also have NLD, which has most of the same symptoms as ASD, or you could just be socially awkward.
Article?! Most of the self-diagnosed people here read multiple books. Not just on autism; also psychology, child development, and research on other possibilities that can be similar to Asperger's. If you're autistic, you don't do things by halves. We're just obsessive like that. When I was diagnosed, I probably read at least a dozen books, as well as taking a child development class and listening to psychology lectures online. An online test may clue you in about the right direction to look; but anybody who starts studying psychology even a little begins to realize just how tricky diagnosis is, and how little screening tests mean, and how important it is to figure out where the lines are between autism and normal, between autism and other things.

There are quite a few people here who know more about autism than most psychologists. There are probably even a few whose knowledge matches that of autism specialists. Like I said, we're obsessive like that.


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18 Feb 2010, 2:11 am

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I still don't see why you people have to self-diagnose yourselves when instead you could just identify WITH autistics and say you share similar attributes/experiences with them. Self-diagnosing is part of the reason Asperger's is so discredited, especially on the internet.


What do you mean "you people"?

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I'm not diagnosing myself with asperger's like traits, personally. I'm not claiming it is an excuse for why my life the way it is either. I'm diagnosing behavior/s I've had since childhood which any trained doctor would have recognized as autistic, had I ever been examined. I've never even been to a dentist, much less a psychiatric professional, yet I can confirm that my behaviors are not made up by talking to those who have known me all my life, nor are they simply exaggerated to fit the criteria.


It isn't discredited because of self-diagnosing, it is discredited because of a lack of education about what it really is, which leads many people to think being socially awkward = AS, and claim they have it as an excuse for never having successful social relationships or whatnot.


Incidentally, I diagnosed myself as being a cat long before I had ever heard of AS, does that discredit actual cats?



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18 Feb 2010, 3:55 pm

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I've seen a psychiatrist. He doesn't listen properly, and he dismisses everything I tell him as "avoidant behaviour" even when I explain that it's because things are either not interesting, exhaustingly difficult, or physically painful, which I think are pretty good reasons for avoidance.

I hope you find someone who understands autism and really quickly.

I have heard of therapists telling their clients that it is "resistance", well with an NT, it might be; I think lots of autistic people are pretty honest and if we don't feel envious, or angry or some other thing, then we don't and some of that is because that is where the hole in our brain is. One day it might develop, one day it might not.

What they also don't get is that we don't always do things for the same reasons as NTs do and that the way we see things can be very different too, result is: different reaction.

I can remember someone saying that I must have been very angry when my washing machine leaked. No, I saw the leak, knew I needed to get a cloth and I cleaned it up. I cannot see why that should have made me angry or anything at all. It was an incident that I could deal with. No problem.



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25 Feb 2010, 3:20 pm

this thread makes me wonder why any nt would want to join a forum on things they cannot relate to, unless they have a family member on the spectrum. in order to see whether a self diagnosis is correct you should try to remember what you were like as a child since people change over time. do not trust professionals because they are always trying to market certain treatments and they will come up with explanations that were plucked out of the air, based on limited evidence. they will diagnose a certain condition only based on one part of the story while ignoring others. seeing a psyciatrist is likely to be a waist of time and money. if anyone on here is an nt who is falsely diagnosing themselves with a spectrum condition, because they are friendless or just plain odd, there are other explanations such as social anxiety and i suggest these people look online. oasis is a good site, even if i do not agree with everything that is said there.



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25 Feb 2010, 4:02 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Delirium wrote:
IslandAspie wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Wow, you're an idiot.


Get your face out of the mirror, already. Your narcissism makes you ugly.

So far most people seem to disagree with OP's assertion. You're outnumbered, dudette.

And besides, if someone wants to pin so much of their personal identity on what someone else says about them because that someone wears a white coat and carries a badge (and spent a bunch of money to sit in a bunch of classrooms), it's sad and terribly limiting, yes, but it is their right and their privilege.

We all have to grow up some time. Being 19 with AS isn't easy, I know, because it only accentuates the belief that you know everything already and that everyone else is wrong.

You, girl, are in for some rude surprises in your later life.

And stay out the Phoenix sun this summer - it'll only fry your brain more.


Actually, my identity isn't based on my Asperger's. I actually can't stand having it. I also can't stand how people diagnose themselves with it when they fit only a few of the symptoms. Self-diagnosis only takes you so far.

I don't even get why self-diagnosed people get upset if you question them. Why would you even want to have ASD? Sure, it's nice being smart, but do you want the crippling social anxiety that goes along with ASD? Do you want to be lumped in with people like Chris-chan? Do you want to have sensory problems?


No, I don't want the problems I have, but WHETHER OR NOT I WANT THE PROBLEMS, THEY ARE THERE, and an ASD is the best explanation I've found for them, and this is after a lot of research into other possible conditions as well as ASDs.

Addressing a previous post by you: why the assumption that everyone who thinks that they have an ASD must have come to that conclusion by just taking an online test?


Because that's how I've noticed most people self-diagnose themselves. Either that or they read an article on it.

And see a psychiatrist. You could also have NLD, which has most of the same symptoms as ASD, or you could just be socially awkward.


I haven't noticed most people self-diagnosing themselves that way. I've noticed a lot of people getting their initial suspicions from such things, but that's not the same thing as self-diagnosis.

I've seen a psychiatrist. He doesn't listen properly, and he dismisses everything I tell him as "avoidant behaviour" even when I explain that it's because things are either not interesting, exhaustingly difficult, or physically painful, which I think are pretty good reasons for avoidance.
I plan to see someone who knows a bit more about ASDs, but at the moment I'm just too overwhelmed with life to be able to deal with it.

I have considered NLD, and it's something that I haven't ruled out completely.
It's not just social awkwardness; the social component is only one part of my problems. I lack a sense of emotional connection to people, body language looks like a foreign language, eye contact feels like looking into the sun, and conversation is constant work for (usually) no good reward, and people are just confusing.
Besides the social aspect, I get fixated on things to the extent of not being able to think of anything else, and I'll spend hours wasting time on theses things and not get anything else done. It's interfered with my studies, and it used to interfere with taking care of my personal hygiene. I've got a decent number of repetitive motor mannerisms. My clumsiness is a running joke in my family- my body never quite does what I tell it to do, and I have trouble locating myself in space, and I have trouble with spatial perception.
I can't do one more-than-tiny thing outside of my routine per week without going into head-banging, wrist-biting meltdowns.
If I'm somewhere where there are more than a few people, the noise is painful, and if it's crowded, I start to have trouble walking, and my visual processing goes haywire. The most likely outcome of a day out is a migraine. I'm constantly being driven to distraction by my clothing and my hair brushing against my face, because light touch from those things causes burning pain.
I'm less organised than most 10-year-old children I've seen.
The above problems cause a lot of pain and exhaustion, and cast doubts in my mind on my ability to manage independent life.

It wasn't just a case of "sometimes I don't quite know what to say to people and I don't always feel like socialising" that made me try to find out what was wrong.


Yaaaaaark! You sound as if you have fullblown autism, HFA, let alone AS.


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mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:

I haven't noticed most people self-diagnosing themselves that way. I've noticed a lot of people getting their initial suspicions from such things, but that's not the same thing as self-diagnosis.

I've seen a psychiatrist. He doesn't listen properly, and he dismisses everything I tell him as "avoidant behaviour" even when I explain that it's because things are either not interesting, exhaustingly difficult, or physically painful, which I think are pretty good reasons for avoidance.
I plan to see someone who knows a bit more about ASDs, but at the moment I'm just too overwhelmed with life to be able to deal with it.

I have considered NLD, and it's something that I haven't ruled out completely.
It's not just social awkwardness; the social component is only one part of my problems. I lack a sense of emotional connection to people, body language looks like a foreign language, eye contact feels like looking into the sun, and conversation is constant work for (usually) no good reward, and people are just confusing.
Besides the social aspect, I get fixated on things to the extent of not being able to think of anything else, and I'll spend hours wasting time on theses things and not get anything else done. It's interfered with my studies, and it used to interfere with taking care of my personal hygiene. I've got a decent number of repetitive motor mannerisms. My clumsiness is a running joke in my family- my body never quite does what I tell it to do, and I have trouble locating myself in space, and I have trouble with spatial perception.
I can't do one more-than-tiny thing outside of my routine per week without going into head-banging, wrist-biting meltdowns.
If I'm somewhere where there are more than a few people, the noise is painful, and if it's crowded, I start to have trouble walking, and my visual processing goes haywire. The most likely outcome of a day out is a migraine. I'm constantly being driven to distraction by my clothing and my hair brushing against my face, because light touch from those things causes burning pain.
I'm less organised than most 10-year-old children I've seen.
The above problems cause a lot of pain and exhaustion, and cast doubts in my mind on my ability to manage independent life.

It wasn't just a case of "sometimes I don't quite know what to say to people and I don't always feel like socialising" that made me try to find out what was wrong.


Yaaaaaark! You sound as if you have fullblown autism, HFA, let alone AS.


Yeah. Holy s**t, I usually write off most self-diagnoses, but if you AREN'T on the autism spectrum, I will be very, very surprised. Still, you really should get a second opinion from a doctor because if you want help for ASD, usually you have to be officially diagnosed.


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