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25 May 2018, 9:48 pm

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:lol: Sounds like someone needs to go to the beach for a little reality check and a refill on optimism inducing vitamin D.

edit: It's crystal clear that you don't believe what I tell you, and not just about one topic, either. I post something, and you respond with "what I think is really going on is this.." Um, no. You don't get to tell me the way my life is any more than I get to make things up and tell you the way your life is. I certainly don't post anything like "EzraS treatments don't actually work for him, he just thinks they do," or "I don't think EzraS is nonverbal, what I think is really going on here is that he's just shy and refusing to speak," because I accept that what you post here and disclose about your Autism & your life is actually the way things are for you. Now perhaps you can begin to comprehend how absurd it is for you (and others who have done this recently - namely RainbowUnion) to come up with "alternative facts," to how my life really is as if I'm incapable of perceiving & expressing it myself.

I do hope you get to the beach for some Blue Space this Summer. I think it would do you (and anyone) a lot of good. Then perhaps you could be a little more optimistic about others also telling their truth vs. thinking they're lying to the extent that you have to come up with alternate theories of how you think their lives really are. As some quote from some movie goes: "Go West, young man." Like all the way to the Pacific. Take a break on the sand, soak up some Sun, watch the birds fly around, listen to the waves crashing.. think clearer & feel better. 8)


The difference is I have experts saying how the treatments they prescribe for me are working and why I'm nonverbal etc, rather than me coming up with it all on my own. As for blue space I live on a peninsula and can see the ocean from my window, I'm out on the beach all the time. However I don't imagine everyone else out there are friends of mine. If I recall correctly you post about drinking alcohol and smoking weed frequently, so that might explain a few things.


Listen up, bud. I’m an intelligent man. Smart enough to rtfm and know my diagnosis. Smart enough to figure out and practice medicine on myself. Smart enough to know what the results are. I don’t require an older wiser trained expert to tell me what I already know. I’m living it, I’m doing it, I’m experiencing it. The only way any psychiatric professional is going to make an assessment of me is by listening to me tell my story and observing me in various states of health, which I can alter via antibiotics & probiotics, but my point is that their professional opinion will come from me teaching them about me. I don’t need their assessment of what I tell them to know the differences in myself between 6 years ago and now anymore than anyone else here requires to know if their own functioning levels are any higher or lower than they used to be. I also have the social, work, and financial results to prove my funcitioning level increase.

But I did offer to obtain any professional diagnostic or lab test results to prove my claims as I now have the time/money/resources to do any and all of these things.

I’m not imagining anything. I’m making this post from the sand at Wreck Beach in Greg’s spot where the music is blasting and dozens of naked people are dancing on the sand with margaritas in their hands because it’s Greg’s birthday.

Keep looking out that window, you need it.


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25 May 2018, 9:53 pm

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:lol: Sounds like someone needs to go to the beach for a little reality check and a refill on optimism inducing vitamin D.

edit: It's crystal clear that you don't believe what I tell you, and not just about one topic, either. I post something, and you respond with "what I think is really going on is this.." Um, no. You don't get to tell me the way my life is any more than I get to make things up and tell you the way your life is. I certainly don't post anything like "EzraS treatments don't actually work for him, he just thinks they do," or "I don't think EzraS is nonverbal, what I think is really going on here is that he's just shy and refusing to speak," because I accept that what you post here and disclose about your Autism & your life is actually the way things are for you. Now perhaps you can begin to comprehend how absurd it is for you (and others who have done this recently - namely RainbowUnion) to come up with "alternative facts," to how my life really is as if I'm incapable of perceiving & expressing it myself.

I do hope you get to the beach for some Blue Space this Summer. I think it would do you (and anyone) a lot of good. Then perhaps you could be a little more optimistic about others also telling their truth vs. thinking they're lying to the extent that you have to come up with alternate theories of how you think their lives really are. As some quote from some movie goes: "Go West, young man." Like all the way to the Pacific. Take a break on the sand, soak up some Sun, watch the birds fly around, listen to the waves crashing.. think clearer & feel better. 8)


The difference is I have experts saying how the treatments they prescribe for me are working and why I'm nonverbal etc, rather than me coming up with it all on my own. As for blue space I live on a peninsula and can see the ocean from my window, I'm out on the beach all the time. However I don't imagine everyone else out there are friends of mine. If I recall correctly you post about drinking alcohol and smoking weed frequently, so that might explain a few things.


Listen up, bud. I’m an intelligent man. Smart enough to rtfm and know my diagnosis. Smart enough to figure out and practice medicine on myself. Smart enough to know what the results are. I don’t require an older wiser trained expert to tell me what I already know. I’m living it, I’m doing it, I’m experiencing it. The only way any psychiatric professional is going to make an assessment of me is by listening to me tell my story and observing me in various states of health, which I can alter via antibiotics & probiotics, but my point is that their professional opinion will come from me teaching them about me. I don’t need their assessment of what I tell them to know the differences in myself between 6 years ago and now anymore than anyone else here requires to know if their own functioning levels are any higher or lower than they used to be. I also have the social, work, and financial results to prove my funcitioning level increase.

But I did offer to obtain any professional diagnostic or lab test results to prove my claims as I now have the time/money/resources to do any and all of these things.

I’m not imagining anything. I’m making this post from the sand at Wreck Beach in Greg’s spot where the music is blasting and dozens of naked people are dancing on the sand with margaritas in their hands because it’s Greg’s birthday.

Keep looking out that window, you need it.


GF, see if you can do those tests. If they succeed maybe you can get the ball rolling on things for more folks on the spectrum.



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25 May 2018, 9:59 pm

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When I was younger I smoked weed. It has bad effects on me.


Whether good or bad effects, alcohol and cannabis usually alters a person's mood and perception. And if one is at some event where everyone is intoxicated, then they are probably quite friendly with each other at the time.

Based on my medical history I would expect weed to have a bad effect on me also.


:lol: It’s comical to me that you think I drink a beer and have a toke and all of the sudden have imaginary friends. :lol:

Thanks for the laugh!


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25 May 2018, 10:01 pm

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And ironically I just arrived at the beach and it's low tide yepee. Beachcombing time.


Thank God!

Enjoy. 8)


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25 May 2018, 10:06 pm

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:lol: Sounds like someone needs to go to the beach for a little reality check and a refill on optimism inducing vitamin D.

edit: It's crystal clear that you don't believe what I tell you, and not just about one topic, either. I post something, and you respond with "what I think is really going on is this.." Um, no. You don't get to tell me the way my life is any more than I get to make things up and tell you the way your life is. I certainly don't post anything like "EzraS treatments don't actually work for him, he just thinks they do," or "I don't think EzraS is nonverbal, what I think is really going on here is that he's just shy and refusing to speak," because I accept that what you post here and disclose about your Autism & your life is actually the way things are for you. Now perhaps you can begin to comprehend how absurd it is for you (and others who have done this recently - namely RainbowUnion) to come up with "alternative facts," to how my life really is as if I'm incapable of perceiving & expressing it myself.

I do hope you get to the beach for some Blue Space this Summer. I think it would do you (and anyone) a lot of good. Then perhaps you could be a little more optimistic about others also telling their truth vs. thinking they're lying to the extent that you have to come up with alternate theories of how you think their lives really are. As some quote from some movie goes: "Go West, young man." Like all the way to the Pacific. Take a break on the sand, soak up some Sun, watch the birds fly around, listen to the waves crashing.. think clearer & feel better. 8)


The difference is I have experts saying how the treatments they prescribe for me are working and why I'm nonverbal etc, rather than me coming up with it all on my own. As for blue space I live on a peninsula and can see the ocean from my window, I'm out on the beach all the time. However I don't imagine everyone else out there are friends of mine. If I recall correctly you post about drinking alcohol and smoking weed frequently, so that might explain a few things.


Listen up, bud. I’m an intelligent man. Smart enough to rtfm and know my diagnosis. Smart enough to figure out and practice medicine on myself. Smart enough to know what the results are. I don’t require an older wiser trained expert to tell me what I already know. I’m living it, I’m doing it, I’m experiencing it. The only way any psychiatric professional is going to make an assessment of me is by listening to me tell my story and observing me in various states of health, which I can alter via antibiotics & probiotics, but my point is that their professional opinion will come from me teaching them about me. I don’t need their assessment of what I tell them to know the differences in myself between 6 years ago and now anymore than anyone else here requires to know if their own functioning levels are any higher or lower than they used to be. I also have the social, work, and financial results to prove my funcitioning level increase.

But I did offer to obtain any professional diagnostic or lab test results to prove my claims as I now have the time/money/resources to do any and all of these things.

I’m not imagining anything. I’m making this post from the sand at Wreck Beach in Greg’s spot where the music is blasting and dozens of naked people are dancing on the sand with margaritas in their hands because it’s Greg’s birthday.

Keep looking out that window, you need it.


GF, see if you can do those tests. If they succeed maybe you can get the ball rolling on things for more folks on the spectrum.


I’ve been contacting various doctors involved in ASD studies recently and have some local ASD resource connections to explore. It’s proven mostly futile to try to communicate any of this to the ASD community, so, I’ll communicate with open minded people with the specialized knowledge required to understand what I’m telling them. Also, there are recent ASD medical studies that prove the science behind what I’ve leanred and done, so now I have those to present to doctors as supporting evidence to my experience of life and medicine over the last 5 years.

I doubt I will make ASD my career focus in terms of medicine, but I’m not going to stop contributing what I’ve learned because of a few people on a forum who think I’m lying.


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25 May 2018, 10:12 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
:lol: It’s comical to me that you think I drink a beer and have a toke and all of the sudden have imaginary friends. :lol:

Thanks for the laugh!


Aw I'm just pulling your chain. I have dozens/hundreds of friends at the bach too. We were at the more secluded spot, but now off to the busy spot where everyone knows my name and they're always glad I came 8)

Although no one here is naked. Most are wearing hoodies and jackets cause it's a bit nippy out here. I guess it must be warmer a hundred miles further up north.



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26 May 2018, 6:42 am

EzraS wrote:
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:lol: It’s comical to me that you think I drink a beer and have a toke and all of the sudden have imaginary friends. :lol:

Thanks for the laugh!


Aw I'm just pulling your chain. I have dozens/hundreds of friends at the bach too. We were at the more secluded spot, but now off to the busy spot where everyone knows my name and they're always glad I came 8)

Although no one here is naked. Most are wearing hoodies and jackets cause it's a bit nippy out here. I guess it must be warmer a hundred miles further up north.


Somehow I think it's this time you're bs'ing. But you are right in the sense that Wreck Beach is a lot like Cheers for dozens/hundreds of regulars there.

I guess so. It's always a few degrees C warmer down on the sand at Wreck than it is at the top of the stairs, too. I think it's just from the sand heating up. We had warmer temperatures here in Vancouver a few days ago than LA or Miami. There are palm trees growing on the beach at English Bay in Vancouver. It gets warmer here than you think - and this year has been a particularly warm dry Spring so there have been plenty of beach days. My tan is getting so dark people are starting to ask me where I've been on vacation.

How'd the Blue Space affect your mood?


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26 May 2018, 7:53 am

bs'ing? why can't all the regulars at the local beach be my friends? And everyone in town as well?

It was mainly the chilly breeze coming off the sea. What they call wind chill factor. My phone said it was the same temperature and wind speed in vancouver, so I figured it was nippy there too, but guess not.

I always enjoy being outdoors, even when the sky is grey, which it is all lot of the time, here and in vancouver. That's why the little ferry to the beach island only runs between July 5 - Sept. 3. Those same small palm trees with the shaggy trunks are here too. They're apparently the only type that can survive in this climate.

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:lol: It’s comical to me that you think I drink a beer and have a toke and all of the sudden have imaginary friends. :lol:

Thanks for the laugh!


I was thinking more along the lines that when someone is buzzed on alcohol and weed, they can feel really good because of the effects.



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26 May 2018, 9:35 am

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Theses 15. Positivism has this underlying assumption that one can overcome the law of supply and demand. Example: Can everyone who dreams to be in the NFL or the NBA actually do that? No, it is because there are only a limited amount of teams and positions for each team? How many people who dreamed of becoming an astronaut actually both worked hard for it and actually achieved it? How many astronauts exist currently?

Theses 16. Corollary to These 15. Positivism denies one's reality.


But what if positivism defines one’s reality? What if 100% of the very few people who are astronauts became what they are because of who they are - someone who’s innately & automatically practiced positivism their entire lives?



I buy this. But what about others who innately & automatically practiced positivism their entire lives and did not achieve it in spite of the same drive and tenacity? For a time, no matter how driven women were they were not allowed to become astronauts. This eventually changed because of our cultural change. But, this doesn't have to be the only case.

It could be that one had the same drive and tenacity yet didn't make the cut. Thing is if positivism truthfully worked all the time then everyone would be able to achieve their dreams, aspirations, no matter the circumstances. It would be like Pleasantville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasantville_(film)

Is it like this today or that we're guaranteed nothing no matter what actions we take and how much one believes and wishes upon star.



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26 May 2018, 9:39 am

Theses 17. Positivism presumes incompetence. It presumes one has no ability to judge one's own competence and abilities in relation to one's real world.

http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... about.html



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Theses 17. Positivism presumes incompetence. It presumes one has no ability to judge one's own competence and abilities in relation to one's real world.

http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... about.html


This is why I rely on experts who monitor my progress to objectively tell me how I'm progressing.

I heard an interesting thing from a counselor that low achievers in high school are often bristling with self confidence.



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26 May 2018, 10:17 am

EzraS wrote:
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Theses 17. Positivism presumes incompetence. It presumes one has no ability to judge one's own competence and abilities in relation to one's real world.

http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... about.html


This is why I rely on experts who monitor my progress to objectively tell me how I'm progressing.

I heard an interesting thing from a counselor that low achievers in high school are often bristling with self confidence.


That is so so true my friend. It is because they have positivism without any kind of realism to back it up as well. And, that's the main issue I take with GF's and the self help industry's philosophy. I do believe I am component to do things but I do have impairments like executive dysfunction. In addition, even if I believe I was component and I actually was component others would have to accept that as well. Finally, even if I was and others believed me to be component there are others who could be more component then me and better then me. To me, positivism does have merit to an extent but the way it is now it is based in woo woo.



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26 May 2018, 1:12 pm

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bs'ing? why can't all the regulars at the local beach be my friends? And everyone in town as well?

It was mainly the chilly breeze coming off the sea. What they call wind chill factor. My phone said it was the same temperature and wind speed in vancouver, so I figured it was nippy there too, but guess not.

I always enjoy being outdoors, even when the sky is grey, which it is all lot of the time, here and in vancouver. That's why the little ferry to the beach island only runs between July 5 - Sept. 3. Those same small palm trees with the shaggy trunks are here too. They're apparently the only type that can survive in this climate.

goldfish21 wrote:
:lol: It’s comical to me that you think I drink a beer and have a toke and all of the sudden have imaginary friends. :lol:

Thanks for the laugh!


I was thinking more along the lines that when someone is buzzed on alcohol and weed, they can feel really good because of the effects.


Again, you're mocking me in your disbelief of what I say. I'm at the beach with friends nearly daily. You've made posts that you don't think it's likely you'll ever make friends. So, it's unlikely you're friends with all the regulars at your beach or everyone in town.

The effects of small amounts of alcohol & weed don't make people feel some sort of imaginary friend euphoria. They do tend to make virtually all people more social, though, so there's typically more interaction, jokes, and laughs.


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26 May 2018, 1:17 pm

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Theses 15. Positivism has this underlying assumption that one can overcome the law of supply and demand. Example: Can everyone who dreams to be in the NFL or the NBA actually do that? No, it is because there are only a limited amount of teams and positions for each team? How many people who dreamed of becoming an astronaut actually both worked hard for it and actually achieved it? How many astronauts exist currently?

Theses 16. Corollary to These 15. Positivism denies one's reality.


But what if positivism defines one’s reality? What if 100% of the very few people who are astronauts became what they are because of who they are - someone who’s innately & automatically practiced positivism their entire lives?



I buy this. But what about others who innately & automatically practiced positivism their entire lives and did not achieve it in spite of the same drive and tenacity? For a time, no matter how driven women were they were not allowed to become astronauts. This eventually changed because of our cultural change. But, this doesn't have to be the only case.

It could be that one had the same drive and tenacity yet didn't make the cut. Thing is if positivism truthfully worked all the time then everyone would be able to achieve their dreams, aspirations, no matter the circumstances. It would be like Pleasantville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasantville_(film)

Is it like this today or that we're guaranteed nothing no matter what actions we take and how much one believes and wishes upon star.


There's still competition.

What of without positivism people have no chance of achieving their goal, and with it they have a fighting chance by competing?

Same goes for high level athletes. I doubt there are many Olympians who never believed they could become Olympic athletes.

But it's not belief alone that gets someone to a goal like that, it's also hard work & determination, And winning - these things are competitive af. But without positivism they're not likely even in the running. It's a necessary component to their success, but not the one and only thing that gets them there.


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Do you get bigger in the Pacific Ocean than you get in a small mountain stream?



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26 May 2018, 1:27 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Theses 17. Positivism presumes incompetence. It presumes one has no ability to judge one's own competence and abilities in relation to one's real world.

http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... about.html


This is why I rely on experts who monitor my progress to objectively tell me how I'm progressing.

I heard an interesting thing from a counselor that low achievers in high school are often bristling with self confidence.


Well, that was a rude little dig.

Let me use a simpler example that maybe you'll be able to follow along with:

I have a headache.
I self administer medicine to treat it. (Acetaminophen)
My headache symptoms are alleviated.
I can tell this on my own.
I don't require confirmation from a Medical Doctor that my headache is now gone.
Headache returns 6 hours later.
I take more Acetaminophen.
My headache fades away again.
Once more, I don't need a doctor to tell me that the medicine worked to alleviate my symptoms.

Surprise surprise, the exact same thing happens when I administer medicine to myself to alleviate different symptoms of a different ailment. Symptoms exist, I take medicine that I know works to alleviate said symptoms, symptoms diminish. I don't need anyone else to tell my whether I'm feeling relief of my symptoms or not.

Oh, but there's scientific documentation that says Acetaminophen relieves headaches, you say. Guess what? There's scientific documentation that says healing the gut, probiotics, and even intestinal cleanses all relieve ASD symptoms. This study is a fantastic source of that info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5408485/ And I am very optimistic about the work these & other medical doctors are doing to further this knowledge. They probably have all spent some time in Blue Space, too. 8)


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