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29 Sep 2010, 5:31 am

I do not understand carnival (it is not only popular in Rio but also in the part of Germany I live in). What is so fun about loud, crowded parties where everyone wears costumes and gets so drunk that s/he wakes up in the house of another one without memory of how s/he got there?

Fashion! It is a ridiculous thing! It is so ugly that the NTs only bear is for 6 months at max. OTOH, they tell me that it does not matter if I follow it 'as long as I have my own style and know what works for me' but when I do, it is completely wrong.

I do not understand why people use Windows and hold stereotypes about Linux which were not even true in 1998 when I started using it.


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29 Sep 2010, 10:23 am

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Also, how do NT strangers in the street detect if you have mental conditions or not when you're just walking about acting normal and wearing nice clothes?


By a peculiar gate or facial expression.


That's what puts me off going out. I fear everyone is looking at me and thinking, ''urgh that big ugly thing over there has something wrong with it because it's got a bit of an unconfident look on it's face.''
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29 Sep 2010, 12:32 pm

What I don't get is how a woman can get so damn offended when you don't say a word. Is it not enough to be near them and listen to them ramble?

I was in the mall with my on-again-off-again friend from grade school and I apparently pissed her off by not responding to "Does this dress make me look fat?" You can't say anything or you piss them off, and apparently saying nothing gets you in trouble too. I ditched her at the store while she bitched at me and watched a movie instead. Much more fun.

NT's make me so cynical sometimes because I'm apparently only there so that they can vent then ditch for something. f*****g jerks. At least my boyfriend and German Shepard get me.



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29 Sep 2010, 12:39 pm

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I have one question to everyone on here. To those who are complaining about things my question to you all is what would be a better solution?


We're mostly venting. that whats this site is used for by aspies. this is harmless banter.



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29 Sep 2010, 1:10 pm

I don't understand the practice of going to concerts. I've been to one, and only one, concert in my entire life (that being *NSync's "No Strings Attached" tour back in 2000), and I have no desire to go to another. They're extremely loud and they just seem pointless to me. I mean, why pay an insane amount of money to see a band (or solo singer) perform live when you could just as easily watch them performing on YouTube? My NT brother goes to concerts all the time (he most recently saw a performer called DeadMau5 perform in Boston), and I just don't see the appeal of that.


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29 Sep 2010, 7:20 pm

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I don't understand the practice of going to concerts. I've been to one, and only one, concert in my entire life (that being *NSync's "No Strings Attached" tour back in 2000), and I have no desire to go to another. They're extremely loud and they just seem pointless to me. I mean, why pay an insane amount of money to see a band (or solo singer) perform live when you could just as easily watch them performing on YouTube? My NT brother goes to concerts all the time (he most recently saw a performer called DeadMau5 perform in Boston), and I just don't see the appeal of that.

I agree with you, and I am NT, though granted an HSP NT. It amazes me how people stand right in front of those speaker systems and not experience sheering pain in their ears.



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29 Sep 2010, 7:28 pm

How they show very little empathy for us, yet they expect us to have empathy for them.


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29 Sep 2010, 7:31 pm

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I don't understand the practice of going to concerts. I've been to one, and only one, concert in my entire life (that being *NSync's "No Strings Attached" tour back in 2000), and I have no desire to go to another. They're extremely loud and they just seem pointless to me. I mean, why pay an insane amount of money to see a band (or solo singer) perform live when you could just as easily watch them performing on YouTube? My NT brother goes to concerts all the time (he most recently saw a performer called DeadMau5 perform in Boston), and I just don't see the appeal of that.

I agree with you, and I am NT, though granted an HSP NT. It amazes me how people stand right in front of those speaker systems and not experience sheering pain in their ears.


I still fail to understand the excitement of standing/sitting in front of a stage for several hours watching one's favorite artists song on stage. I don't care if they start humping the stage or pyrotechnics are set off. Other than singing, and dancing a bit, they don't seem to doing anything really exciting....so I don't understand how one can be so easily entertained for several hours.

In fact, a year ago or so my girlfriend and I watched some on-stage presentation of these Shaolin Monks or something. It was sorta interesting, but I wasn't blown away by it like the rest of the audience. The way I saw it: "well, of course they're doing totally amazing stunts; they're trained to. And it's not like they're bringing the "lower-classman" on this tour; they bring their top students. What exactly is so amazing about all of this? I'd be like getting amazed watching a really good cashier do his stuff...what's the excitement all about? It's what he's trained to do."



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29 Sep 2010, 7:31 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
How they show very little empathy for us, yet they expect us to have empathy for them.


this, completely



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29 Sep 2010, 8:15 pm

RACISM. I don't get it...why can't people just be nice.... =(



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29 Sep 2010, 8:20 pm

Penandinkmarie wrote:
RACISM. I don't get it...why can't people just be nice.... =(



here's the dirtly little secret: it's all about social status, not about the actual ethnicity.

for example: in the early 1800s, you had the piss-poor white farmers of the South in the USA. Their mentality was "I'm dirt poor, and got nothin' to my name...but at least I ain' a ******"

Get my drift?



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29 Sep 2010, 8:43 pm

I just deleted my super large post to captivate what it was all saying in one utterance:

-The use of emotion in place of logic.

NT's are emotional beings, their emotions allow their internal irrationality to be "logically" justified. Their "logic" is based on emotionally formed opinions, rather than fact based information, and are thus flawed from inception, meaning virtually everything they 'think', 'feel' or 'know' is actually intrinsically BS. It is a vicious cycle.

The practice has become socially acceptable. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion". Sure, whether one likes one color or the other, or whether they like a hard matress over a soft mattress, but whether something like evolution is "real"...? Like banning abortion is a good thing? Hell no, if you have zero basis of understanding, you have no opinion, and are entitled to nothing.

I'd say the worst part of "The use of emotion in place of logic" is in that the masses do not understand they are being exploited by this very tendency of humanity. Often the people exploiting it do not have a bona fide understanding of the state of the exploitation... they are just 'good at business'. Exporting slave labor to third world countries, because it saves a buck and "makes the worker's lives better than they were before". Sure, inhumane poverty from being cut off from living how organisms typically do (off the land) due to the injection of the western way, then exploiting their labor for a pittance to barely survive in this new and forced way of life, is so much better!

They say that necessity is the mother of invention. While this statement can be portrayed as an idiom that has an alternate meaning, basically finding a creative substitute for something more proper in a jam, the typical NT will assert that in the context of technology (not just digital, but also complex analog technology), that yes, necessity is in fact the mother of invention. However, there is no biological necessity for anything we do these days, in the context of the way in which we do them. so the true statement is actually "convenience is the mother of invention" or rather "laziness is the mother of invention". Invention makes it so we can 'do more'. What REALLY is it more of that we are doing, and why do we need to do so much of it?



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29 Sep 2010, 8:45 pm

RomanceAnonimo wrote:
I just deleted my super large post to captivate what it was all saying in one utterance:

-The use of emotion in place of logic.

NT's are emotional beings, their emotions allow their internal irrationality to be "logically" justified. Their "logic" is based on emotionally formed opinions, rather than fact based information, and are thus flawed from inception, meaning virtually everything they 'think', 'feel' or 'know' is actually intrinsically BS. It is a vicious cycle.

The practice has become socially acceptable. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion". Sure, whether one likes one color or the other, or whether they like a hard matress over a soft mattress, but whether something like evolution is "real"...? Like banning abortion is a good thing? Hell no, if you have zero basis of understanding, you have no opinion, and are entitled to nothing.

I'd say the worst part of "The use of emotion in place of logic" is in that the masses do not understand they are being exploited by this very tendency of humanity. Often the people exploiting it do not have a bona fide understanding of the state of the exploitation... they are just 'good at business'. Exporting slave labor to third world countries, because it saves a buck and "makes the worker's lives better than they were before". Sure, inhumane poverty from being cut off from living how organisms typically do (off the land) due to the injection of the western way, then exploiting their labor for a pittance to barely survive in this new and forced way of life, is so much better!

They say that necessity is the mother of invention. While this statement can be portrayed as an idiom that has an alternate meaning, basically finding a creative substitute for something more proper in a jam, the typical NT will assert that in the context of technology (not just digital, but also complex analog technology), that yes, necessity is in fact the mother of invention. However, there is no biological necessity for anything we do these days, in the context of the way in which we do them. so the true statement is actually "convenience is the mother of invention" or rather "laziness is the mother of invention". Invention makes it so we can 'do more'. What REALLY is it more of that we are doing, and why do we need to do so much of it?



I partially agree with you on this, but I think you yourself got a bit emotional in this. the "exploitation" thing was the reason for it.



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29 Sep 2010, 10:55 pm

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I partially agree with you on this, but I think you yourself got a bit emotional in this. the "exploitation" thing was the reason for it.


I think rather that you have injected an emotional conception into the word "exploitation". Exploitation in its simplest form merely means to utilize a resource. In the context I used it, I meant to utilize a resource in the motive of profit. The tendency of people to adhere to things emotionally rather than logically means that they are often 'tricked' into purchasing something because of some perceived emotionally driven benefit. Emotional gullibility of people is used as a method of profit. There is nothing emotional about me making/stating this observation. Add the shrewd exploitation of third world labor and one may construe emotion, but still, there is no emotion behind merely stating a circumstance. One has to be emotional, or display emotion, in order to be emotional. Maybe it was the exclamation point that did it!



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30 Sep 2010, 12:34 am

RomanceAnonimo wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:

I partially agree with you on this, but I think you yourself got a bit emotional in this. the "exploitation" thing was the reason for it.


I think rather that you have injected an emotional conception into the word "exploitation". Exploitation in its simplest form merely means to utilize a resource. In the context I used it, I meant to utilize a resource in the motive of profit. The tendency of people to adhere to things emotionally rather than logically means that they are often 'tricked' into purchasing something because of some perceived emotionally driven benefit. Emotional gullibility of people is used as a method of profit. There is nothing emotional about me making/stating this observation. Add the shrewd exploitation of third world labor and one may construe emotion, but still, there is no emotion behind merely stating a circumstance. One has to be emotional, or display emotion, in order to be emotional. Maybe it was the exclamation point that did it!



Hmmm.....after re-reading your post....I think I have something to send your way....check your PMs in about an hour or two...



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30 Sep 2010, 2:11 am

Hey TheDoctor,

I read your PM. It was an interesting piece. I think however that there may be an over-simplification in the terms of the perceived benefits from 'shipping jobs overseas'. There are multiple facets, but I will only discuss a few below, and with extreme levels of simplicity.

The first is what has been termed 'the value of nothing'. In the economic prosperity that existed in the both Pre- and Post-WWII, the elements of circulating currency were more or less fully contained. In other words, the wages of the workers, the associated operating expences, etc., remained within the USA, and more importantly, within the local economy. Now that so much labor is outsourced, there is a certain percent of that money that is slowly leaking out with no reciprocation. A drain on our available monitary resource, the wages, the buying power. Beyond that, and more importantly, the 'value of nothing' specifically exists in reference to standard "modern" economic theory, where pricing is a principle of manufacture-cost and 'what the market will bear' in the way of profit. The difference in the two figures for the most part was always tangible, it just wasn't feasible to produce something for next to nothing and turn a exorbitant profit. There of course are always going to be a few exceptions, as in highly prized and scarce commodities, but in any case the current disparity between manufacture-cost and sale price is the 'value of nothing', where in classic economic theory being able to manufacture for less meant you could sell more products at lower prices to more people to maximize profit, it now means you pull new profit-resource from somewhere else within the process. The economic prosperity you mention to which previous generations enjoyed was contingent on the high wages, that the wages were 'adequate' to live 'the American dream'. They would consume with their wages, and produce to earn them back again. That same 'prosperity' is not being experienced by the workers who are the product of outsourced labor. Their earnings is namely where the profit-resource is being yielded. In fact, many trillions of dollars have been robbed from what should be the reciprocative fruits of their labor, the wages to afford 'the American dream'. They don't experience the same consumer power that previous generations of Americans enjoyed. The notion that exporting labor is comparable in benefit to prior generations' prosperity in America is erroneous at best and founded in zealotry at worst.

Second to this, is the profit motive in low or unregulated production environments. To do the very complex things that are required for our modern manufacturing techniques, namely in chemical production and processing, while also maintaining excellence in human and environmental safety is very expensive. If you aren't required to maintain safety, emissions, working conditions, etc. your operations costs go down. This is a second impact of outsourced labor, where there is a horrific level of toxicity being introduced to many of the workers, depending on their particular working conditions, and to the surrounding environment in general. If you want a worse-case scenario on this, do a little reading on the Bhopal disaster. There are countless similar examples, though many are far far less in severity though still severe none the less. It is the aggregate pollution and toxicity that matters the most. To not expect or impose the same level of regulations that exist for safety within our own borders while operating overseas is an ultimate hypocricy in the cliche of the "American way", to allow companies to use toxic chemicals in manufacture and as ingredients is a crime against humanity and an willful oversight caused by a ferverent desire to 'not hurt the economy'.

Third is a related circumstance where the end consumer is exposed to toxicity. First it is important to get the image of glowing green radiating bars out of the mind. I am talking about the chemicals used in modern manufacture methods and as ingredients. There are several components of convenience and profitability in manufacture that has nothing to do with the benefit of the end consumer, which used to be of very high importance, because quality items did not sell (or at least well enough to survive the market) in prior economic conditions, and as we 'progressed', better and better safety standards were developed which benefited workers, who were also consumers. Since the consumer is now not the primary focus, neither is their health or well being. The result is slow exposure to toxic chemicals in low to moderate doses, depending on what products are being used/consumed/lathered on the body. Sort of like homeopathic poisoning. Its not as bad for us as it is to the laborers who endure the active manufacture process, but it is still not good, nor in good faith in regard to the "American way", which is really just a puppet show in a house of cards.

Although I would like to for reference, I won't post what you wrote me out of respect for the etiquette associated with private messages, but must ask to the context. You said it was an article you wrote yet I find no reference to it anywhere online, is it truly an article or just something you wrote? In appropriate context, the term article implies publication. Perhaps you could post it here so any readers, if they are interested, can understand what this all means..?

Many numerous other circumstances exist parallel to these issues.