Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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At least they tried....that’s all I can say.

Here is how I see it. I'm going to talk about myself a bit. If others in my life would have taken seriously that I needed intricate guidance and instruction as to how to get a career like IT or plumber or pest control I believe I would have been more successful then I am currently. Not just passing interviews but how to do an effective job search and how to meet requirements including experiential requirements. As of right now I do have an average IQ which is 108. I'm not a genius or anything like that. But, I could have had some success if others took my need for help and asking for help seriously instead of focusing on how intelligent I am and/or focusing on the lack of belief in myself. Until I was able to get it (which I would eventually) i would need my hand held every step of the way. I would need tons of coaching and guidance every step of the way. That's what I need but in our capitalistic society it won't happen and even GF acknowledges this.

Either that or others in my life accept that I'm telling the truth and I'm to disabled to function and accept that attitude and intelligence isn't all there is, declare me as an invalid, put me into the custody of some kind of guardian or instutionalize me but don't make me be in this limbo where everyone believes I'm intelligent so I can function when I can't and my issue is my attitude which is most certainly not.

My message to society, the pop pyschology coaches and personal responsibility advocates: Either coach and instruct me or instutionalize me. Either help me move forward or give me a way out. <<< Richard Bronson is on this list as well.

I don’t discount your disability. I’m not a great success. I’m not against what you’re doing.

You’re going to Dubai, not me

But it’s still better to try than to give up.

I'm going to Abu Dahbi and I'm not down for the count. I will say though that GF is right when he says no one will hold my hand so I will do all that I can for myself. It is unrealistic in today's world to expect to get what I say I need so I accept it even though I think its BS. I will also say in my experience things have a way of working themselves out sometimes in weird ways.

Humans are not infallible, but it's improbable that very intelligent and well educated people would make such a massive mistake as matching their entire experience of life from their earliest childhood memories to present day decades later to the textbook diagnostic criteria of ASD.

They are told to seek a diagnosis because:

1.) They are asking because they are not sure themselves. (I have not asked here because I am certain.)
2.) People here, no matter how educated - even doctors - cannot officially diagnose them solely based on the behaviour presented in their forum posts, so it would be irresponsible for even an MD to provide an official diagnosis (if that is what they seek) to someone on this forum based on their first post of "Do you think I'm Autistic?" Although, anyone here, layperson or not, could respond and say what they think and give a "Yeah, sounds like you're probably on the spectrum." - that's not hard to figure out in many cases.

Doctors don't diagnose and treat themselves... good one! Right, just like mechanics don't work on their own cars. Doctors seek other doctors opinions when they aren't certain of the answer themselves, or if they require a second opinion when it's something serious, or when they're legally obligated to have someone else fill out their medical records etc. Like any other human with specialized knowledge of anything they utilize in their profession, they use their knowledge for their own personal benefit, too, not just for diagnosing others. It's absurd to think that doctors' knowledge stops the moment they have an ailment and their brains just shut off and they MUST seek the professional opinion of a different MD in order to know that they have abc or xyz going on with their body.

5 years on and you the way you speak to me is as if you think I am stupid and can't possibly know myself. I didn't pick Autism out of a hat. I certainly researched many other possibilities - like many people here - and over a period of time longer than you've even been alive. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I'm certainly not an imbecile. I know I haven't even begun my next University education, but when I tell you that making it through University sciences with grades high enough to make it into, and then succeed at completing, Medical School, is a realistically achievable goal for me, I am also being truthful whether you believe me or not. It'd save us both a whole lot of typing/reading the same debate if you'd simply stop responding to me as if I am stupid and don't know what I'm talking about.

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Why does it have to be All or Nothing?

Why are the only options so Black and White for you?

(I know the answer: ASD/Depression.)

Thing is, neither is an option. No one is going to hold your hand through every step of seeking, applying for, obtaining, and keeping a job. Those services do not exist. Even if your mother/father/brother/SO had the will to do this, they likely couldn't due to other life obligations of their own as well as the simple fact that employers aren't likely to accept a "support human shadow," holding your hand to guide you through the process of every word, conversation, form to fill out, actions to take etc. Even programs hiring people with disabilities likely wouldn't just roll with a plan like this as it'd be counterproductive for their business to have to spend time & money dealing with two people in order to get the economic output of likely less than one average worker.* (*but never know, maybe you'd excel at something and do 3x better at solving programming problems than the average employee) The working world simply does not work like this.

Neither does the mental health world, either. There aren't institutions here where I live, or where you live, where you can just drop someone off and commit them because they are incapable of holding a job and providing for themselves. That's also just a simple fact of reality. Why not? $$$$. It's VERY expensive to institutionalize someone.. so, unless people are a danger to themselves or others, there's no real locking them up. This is the reality we live in. It's also why a number of people with serious mental health problems commit petty crimes in order to get thrown in jail and locked up where they have a place to stay and food to eat etc. The ideal solution sort of places simply don't exist.

In reality, there has to be some middle ground.. some sort of balance - which is what you're living right now. You're not forced to go to work and perform at a job you can't complete in order to earn money to sustain yourself. Taxpayers cut you a small cheque every month and it keeps you alive day to day. And TBH, it also keeps you out of their way. I'm sure many type A NT Republican/Conservative types would agree with that.. they'd rather pay several hundred dollars a month to keep some people out of their way in the workplace than have them slow their profits as it costs less than the alternative of having people working at their businesses that aren't generating positive cash flow for them. It's a business value proposition. Same goes for others who can't function in work atmospheres like hardcore drug addicts and alcoholics - it's cheaper to give them welfare than it is to let them into the workplace and cause a serious accident or death. It's simply not worth the liability of having some people at a workplace, whether that liability is lost time/money/revenues or an actual threat to physical safety. But in this middle ground, you're provided for so you won't starve to death, and you also manage to do some part time work online that pays you a bit of extra money. Perhaps in time you'll improve your ability to do more either from home or out in the workforce and then do whatever it is you might do to earn more money, or perhaps not.. but reality is that your life continues on in a more balanced way than the All or Nothing Black and White options of 100% full assistance or institutionalization, and that's the way it's likely going to continue, too.

And with everything you said here you have proven that positivism, optimism, you have control over your life, life is what you make it as understood and applied by our culture is BS and there is way more to it. It is not so black and white as you've stated here. There is no good or evil and positive or negative only power. So therefore ladies and gentlemen of the jury the defense rests.

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Defence rests on what?

Where is your evidence that positivism or optimism don't positively contribute to one's success in life? They're a critical component, combined with hard work, discipline, focus, desire, determination, patience etc etc etc in order to achieve life goals people set out to do.

I never said what you said I said. What I said is that positivism, optimism, hard work, discipline, focus, etc are not panaceas. There are other forces outside of one's control that can contribute to one's success or failure or wherever one is in life.

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Then why do they work so well for everyone who employs their use?

They don't always. Its just that successes are reported more then failures and besides I can apply my discipline, hard work, focus to digging a hole and refilling it all day. But if I'm gaining no return on my investment then what good was hard work, discipline, focus, etc? One can work hard and focused yet unproductive.

Another thing.

Let's say one has a maze and 50 rats to run the maze to get to the cheese and there are 20 paths to get to the cheese. After one rat discovers one path the path closes up so no other rat can choose the same path. 30 rats won't get to the cheese and 20 will. In time, the rats come up with engineering techniques to get the 30 across.

BUT, None of the rats ever question the maze itself or question that there could be something better then the maze that lays outside. In fact, none of them can conceive there is an outside of the maze. So, as more time passes cheese supplies diminish until the rats come up with more and more ingenuitive ways to kill each other. And, as the last rat dies he realizes there was an outside and they should have went there. And, then he dies.

No matter who wins and loses we're still rats in a maze.

What is beyond the walls we live and can we go beyond?

Pessimistic people view failures as unsuccessful. Optimistic people view them as a learning opportunity & simply a part of the process to achieving success.

Depends what your goal was when digging a hole. If it was for exercise, or to better your digging skills in terms of effectiveness & efficiency, then maybe you achieved everything you set out to do. People don't tend to choose aimless objectives to work on, though, so your example isn't a very good one.

But we're not all rats in a maze. You have this strange misconception that some other human is somehow keeping every other human enslaved in a rat maze. Yes, there are elite powerful people controlling central banks and both sides of the same war and all that, but within our economies we are free to make all kinds of choices for ourselves. I'm not obligated to go apply for a job and go punch a clock every morning & trade my labour for money. I'm free to post an ad on craigslist (or several) and offer my services for various skills to others in exchange for money as a self employed entrepreneur. I'm free to step outside my door and start knocking on neighbour's doors to sell whatever product or service I wish to offer as something of value in exchange for money. I'm free to invest money in stocks and buy/sell/trade to make money. I'm also free to wander off into the woods, build a shack, plant some seeds, hunt small game, & fish in a river in order to provide for myself. There are no rules that say we must allow anyone to be any kind of "gatekeeper," as you describe. The ONLY thing that stands between a man and doing whatever he wants to in order to provide for himself is himself.

A guy named Will Power just won the Indianapolis 500.

Talk about Willpower!

Are you sh*****g me? Seriously? Dude? For real? Both of the terms are synonymous. It's like you're saying unmarried ppl are not bachelors. What the living f**k?

Optimistic people view them as a learning opportunity & simply a part of the process to achieving success.

Of course one can use it as a learning opportunity but sometimes there is nothing to be learned though. It depends.



Point is if said activity is not enriching one's life then why do it?



In a way, we are.




Not enslaved but our choices are limited and we definitely have no control over the consequences of our choices.




You seriously believe this don't you?




But, what are the consequences of not doing this or doing some other money maker like running a business? What if one can't do an interview or run a business? What are his choices then? And, others can choose not to hire you nor do business with you.

Like I said, our choices are limited. They're not so absolute. I mean can you not f*****g see this? It's like you're seeing the Yin without the Yang and a number of people in our society see things this way as well. Why can't you and others accept the Yang exists as well?



And guess what? Others don't have to buy my services and craigslist can kick me out for any reason or no reason. They set the terms, rules and conditions for their website which can change anytime.



And, they're free to say no or even are free to call the cops on you as well. If one's neighbors sees one as a suspicious person this is what will happen. It is true that life is what we make it but it is also true that life is what others make it as well. I mean come on. How can you not see this? You're intelligent. Wake up and Smell the Coffee and put down the weed and alcohol.



And, one can lose money in the stock market and you may not have enough to invest anyway. One is free to buy/sell/trade but others are free to say no.



That's if you buy land, allowed to do this on the land and if your plants will grow and if there is game and fish. Ppl tried to do the whole going of the grid thing and their property was condemned as unlivable by the government.



If you really, truthfully believe this then you're only seeing a fraction of reality you choose to see.

cubedemon6073 wrote:

Here is how I see it. I'm going to talk about myself a bit. If others in my life would have taken seriously that I needed intricate guidance and instruction as to how to get a career like IT or plumber or pest control I believe I would have been more successful then I am currently. Not just passing interviews but how to do an effective job search and how to meet requirements including experiential requirements.

Practical concrete-objective learning through action has not been all that popular as the larger majority of people need programming ~ with intellectual maps for the sociological and geological territories of name, rank and serial number ~ as in terms of fuelling the economic mechanism of society. My favourite analogy-parody of which being:

"We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."


cubedemon6073 wrote:

As of right now I do have an average IQ which is 108. I'm not a genius or anything like that. But, I could have had some success if others took my need for help and asking for help seriously instead of focusing on how intelligent I am and/or focusing on the lack of belief in myself. Until I was able to get it (which I would eventually) i would need my hand held every step of the way. I would need tons of coaching and guidance every step of the way. That's what I need but in our capitalistic society it won't happen and even GF acknowledges this.

Loads and loads of people in relation to my knowledge and experience of things, have asked me which university or universities I have studied at ~ many due to amazement, others to check the credibility or prepare for the debatability factor of the information I have related.

The last IQ test I did about a month or so back ~ gave me a score of 060.


cubedemon6073 wrote:

Either that or others in my life accept that I'm telling the truth and I'm to disabled to function and accept that attitude and intelligence isn't all there is, declare me as an invalid, put me into the custody of some kind of guardian or instutionalize me but don't make me be in this limbo where everyone believes I'm intelligent so I can function when I can't and my issue is my attitude which is most certainly not.

Aptitude and knowledgeability is what really matters, requiring Psychological Mentorship (PM) and Physiological Apprenticeship (PA) to various percentiles involving one and the other (i.e. from a PM1/6PA Ratio for those who are more manually apt workers such as builders or labourers ~ to PM6/1PA Ratio for the more academically apt workers such as professors or managers, and all that).


cubedemon6073 wrote:

My message to society, the pop pyschology coaches and personal responsibility advocates: Either coach and instruct me or instutionalize me. Either help me move forward or give me a way out. <<< Richard Bronson is on this list as well.

Continue well in progressing as you are and everyone else is ~ and find as you are your way out of black-negative and or vice versa white-positive thinking, and use more neutral grey thinking ~ involving negativism, positivism and neutralism together for yet more integrally balanced feelings, thoughts, plans and actions ~ regarding institutional employment, and or self-employment, perhaps. This may of course be more in the economical sense of money and finances or more in the sense of personal creativity and fulfilment ~ to various extents and or degrees.

You certainly in your writing portray no lack of Aptitudinal Quota, what with the perseverance and metaphysical data sharing regarding positivism, and there is of course also the age old reliability thing of those on the spectrum being more 'response-able' along a narrower or more singular range of experiential focus, interests and awareness.

Nevertheless you're unqualified.