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04 Sep 2010, 11:46 am

B9 it is like you are trying to shame people for not being scammed. WTF is up with that? You are helping set the ground work for further scams by shaming the skeptics and you should be ashamed with yourself for helping thieves and liars who help wrench cash from the poor, disabled, and the naive and not give one s**t about it. :x Your attitude is like You do not care if other people get scammed just so long as you can make it look like you are good caring person so what if that poor person goes without while the scammers have fun with their cash just so as you can feel better for being scammed. :roll: Then when people call you on it you try to make the skeptics who are warning people to save them from being robbed look like the bad guys.


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04 Sep 2010, 12:45 pm

I've just been reading some of seanmw's older posts, trying to work out how much this was planned, if at all, as a scam, and how much simply "evolved" out of seanmw's circumstances and our reactions to his posts about his situation.

I am fairly sure that it wasn't as "innocent" a series of events/actions on seanmw's part as a couple of people have suggested, ie. that he believed his gf's story and has now, having understood that the cancer story was a fake, simply sunk into a state of cynical nihilism about life in which he thinks he might aswell keep the money we sent, ( though this is not a totally impossible explanation ).

Back in January of this year he told someone in a thread that he had nearly saved up enough money to visit her. In May he said that he wanted to but didn't have the money.

In the first week of July, just 9 days before he told us about her potentially cancerous tumour, he posted this thread ... : "Question to those living on disability" in which he described passionately, ( and with extensive arguments attacking govt policy, on page 2 of the thread ), the difficulty that he was having living on benefits: ... http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt130799.html .

Earlier in the year he said on a thread that he only had $40/month left over after paying his rent, but more recently he said that he only had $6/month left over.

He *appears* to have been suffering from increasingly dire financial straits, especially considering that soon after he joined last year he described the joys of living in/near Seattle, giving one or two dollars to musically inclined homeless people, popping into the different kinds of restaurant and trying out the menus, wandering around the markets, etc, and refers on several occasions elsewhere to seeing films at the cinema, ... none of which sound as if he was ( used to being ) strapped for cash.

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[ Posted 19 August 2009 ] yeah, i love the area. i don't think i could imagine not living near the coast ... the space needle's a bit overrated. tourist trap really. but i love walking through downtown seattle and just seeing all the sights, the pike place market, the musically inclined homeless people who bring melody and rhythm to the atmosphere, or just the ones with funny signs that make me laugh [if they can make me laugh i'll fork over a dollar to two gladly. they earned it], checking out the small obscure restaurants and trying new menu items, exploring, browsing through the shopping district, concerts, night clubs, going out to see a new movie at the IMAX, etc. there's just so much to do over there and so much to see.

He also started smoking again in July this year sometime, having stopped earlier in the year/late last year.

What I am wondering is whether he reached some sort of crisis point at the beginning of July, fed up of living on almost nothing, unable to find work, struggling to pay for the basics, having spent all the money that he had saved earlier in the year ( to go and see his girlfriend ) on just getting by/surviving, having received "nothing" but a clapped out uninsured minivan from his ex-naval father with a well-paid job in the civil marine/port authorities offices for his birthday ... and suddenly his gf has a *very* bad headache, which gives him an idea ... .

I'm not at all suggesting that this would excuse his taking money from people under false pretences. I agree with Lene that it appears that he may have a sense of entitlement, but I just think that this might help to explain why someone who seemed for so many months to be a genuine well-intentioned member of WP would have done something like this.
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04 Sep 2010, 2:13 pm

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=sr ... ref=search

Sean Michael Wilson sounds very worried about money and sick girlfriends on his Facebook page ( ... NOT ! !! ):

Sean_Michael_Wilson wrote:
Just got done playing hours of xbox360 & eating junk food. Now time for sleeeep. still trying to sort out my new room. lots of stuff to unpack & move around tomorrow. (note to self: find decent sized bookshelf for my 100+ books or sell them off) [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:14 ]


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school sucks. What's marmite xD? [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:00 ]

And yet it doesn't seem to have bothered the two or three WP members whose faces I see on seanmw's friend's list. Maybe they haven't noticed this thread and/or not realised that seanmw's girlfriend was ever in any danger, because there's nothing about it on Sean Michael Wilson's "Wall", at all, just dozens and dozens of Mafia Wars and Vampire Wars game "progress reports", going back to January and earlier.

8O :x :wall: :eew: :huh: :thumbdown:



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04 Sep 2010, 2:21 pm

Hmm I do remember when he first joined he said the w at the end of his username was just because he thought the w looked cool next to the m. That's a strange detail to remember I know but I have no more excuses left for my brain. I don't see an Adrienne on his friends list either. Hmm again.



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04 Sep 2010, 2:28 pm

Friends list maybe it should read finacial supporter list.


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04 Sep 2010, 2:29 pm

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the only reason why i am concerned and posting so much in here is because this place (wp) is going to become a breeding ground for crap like this to happen. :? people are soon going to see that this place is an easy target and they will migrate over here with their deception. :roll:


seanmw has been a long term member and never asked for money before. he did not even ask this time.
hale_bopp did what she thought was a good thing since she believed him and i also believed him.

i have a lot of money and if his girlfriend died and he never got to see her because i was so greedy that i could not part with a couple of hours income, then i may feel a slight pang of guilt. i have always maintained i am incapable of feeling guilt, but that is because i have never believed i have done anything wrong. people tell me all the time that i have done the wrong thing and i should feel guilty and i just ignore them because i do not perceive how what i did was wrong.

in this circumstance, i saw what i thought i should do, and that was to give him some money that i would not ever need so that he could do something that i thought he very much needed.

i have given money to disheveled emaciated beggars on the street many times to go and get some food. they may have scurried away to buy drugs with it (although i doubt they could get drugs with $10) , but for me, who has had the excess luck i have had, to say "no" to someone who has had no luck is not something i would feel right about.

i do not easily give money away, and i have never given anything that i can not afford.
you may well scorn me for being naively compassionate in error, and you may think people like me are likely to draw shady people to this site, but people like you simmer in your soup of self preservation and mediocrity of intent.

you will never be scammed by the shady people i attract to this site because you are a skeptic in a steel suit who will live and die within your default rejection of any possibility of the honesty of other people.

this situation with seanmw did not make a dent in my financial situation so i do not consider it a thing to dwell bitterly on.


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You also get schmucks who say stuff like I don't care if was a scam at least so and so was able to use the money to be happy or some lame phrase to save face. :wink:


i have no face to save. i could not give a damn whether i am seen as a street smart "dude" by you or anyone else. one thing i am certain i can never feel under any circumstances is "embarrassment"

i will not dwell on the error of my belief, and i am not going to whinge about it because it is all in the past. it is receding at one second per second into history and it is already a long way behind. i look ahead to tomorrow and forget about yesterday.


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oh well. now people have proof that many aspies love to bleed naivety


you have an impoverished being. i do not "love" to be naive. that imputes i am deliberately being naive in order to fit into an image. i am not really naive anyway. you can spit your foul mental sputum upon on my character, but i have a shell that has grown thick that your slime rolls off.

i know this is going to be a contentious statement that i may be warned about but i will say it anyway.

i think you are dissatisfied that genuine AS people like me give pretenders like you a bad reputation.
you may have conceptualized yourself with respect to only the admirable characteristics of AS, like extreme intelligence (myth), wisdom with respect to what is really happening(myth) etc and you are unhappy about real ones like me giving you a bad name.

you may have adopted an idea of AS as a uniqueness of being that is superior to the average person, and then some floppy eared dumb dog like me comes along and embarrasses you who does not like to associate yourself with the lesser "virtues" of AS.

you did not give any money so you have no right to complain.
i did give money and i will not complain because i am over it and whatever the case turns out to be, i am long past it.

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i did respond back via PM some time ago, yes


B9, Sean posted here saying he'd pmd you and (presumably) cleared up the misunderstanding about your missing money. Was that true? (not asking for the pm to be pasted, just did the excuse wash?).


yes. he informed me that he had reached his goal and needed no more money.

quoted for records. will reply later.

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04 Sep 2010, 2:44 pm

to be honest i don't think a persons posting history justifies them to do things like this. i don't have too much energy to most of what has been written, but im thankful for the people on here to don't want to let scams like this be kicked under the rug at WP.

to b9: what you said about me only wanting to exhibit the admirable characteristics of ASD is hilarious. i really don't want to get too much into it since i dont feel the need to defend myself and i already feel that you have targeted my diagnosis status on my profile (my lack of diagnoses). btw, there's a difference between having compassion/helping out genuine people, and being flat-out stupid. do what you want with your money, we all know you did it because you want to feel better about yourself and look good to everyone, and not because you actually cared about the cause. if you actually cared about the principle, you would not feel the need to post the amount that you donated, and brag about how it only took you two hours to earn that sum of money. :roll: if sean's motivations were indeed genuine then i would truly be apologetic. especially since he writes about having such a tough time in life and struggles to afford basic things. :(

Todesking: thank you for trying to help b9 see a different perspective on this situation
ounion: nice detective work . very interesting.

have a good day everyone, and a very good weekend.



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04 Sep 2010, 2:53 pm

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ounion: nice detective work . very interesting.

Thank you! :) I am just reposting it, so that it doesn't get lost/overlooked! 8)

: I found this on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=sr ... ref=search

You won't be able to see the page unless you are logged into Facebook; it's a short list of Sean Michael Wilsons, one of whom is unmistakeably seanmw, ( identical photo ), and I accessed his Facebook page from there.

ouinon wrote:
Sean Michael Wilson sounds very worried about money and sick girlfriends on his Facebook page ( ... NOT ! !! ):

Sean_Michael_Wilson wrote:
Just got done playing hours of xbox360 & eating junk food. Now time for sleeeep. still trying to sort out my new room. lots of stuff to unpack & move around tomorrow. (note to self: find decent sized bookshelf for my 100+ books or sell them off) [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:14 ]

Sean_Michael_Wilson wrote:
school sucks. What's marmite xD? [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:00 ]

And yet it doesn't seem to have bothered the two or three WP members whose faces I see on seanmw's friend's list. Maybe they haven't noticed this thread and/or not realised that seanmw's girlfriend was ever in any danger, because there's nothing about it on Sean Michael Wilson's "Wall", at all, just dozens and dozens of Mafia Wars and Vampire Wars game "progress reports", going back to January and earlier.

8O :x :wall: :eew: :huh: :thumbdown:



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04 Sep 2010, 3:24 pm

PS. It occurs to me that maybe the only reason why he couldn't play the same game on his Facebook page is that two of his sisters and one of his brothers ( and an awful lot of his college/high school friends too ), are on his Facebook friends list.



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04 Sep 2010, 3:27 pm

ouinon wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&o=2048&q=sean%20michael%20wilson#!/profile.php?id=100000129341201&v=info&ref=search

Sean Michael Wilson sounds very worried about money and sick girlfriends on his Facebook page ( ... NOT ! !! ):

Sean_Michael_Wilson wrote:
Just got done playing hours of xbox360 & eating junk food. Now time for sleeeep. still trying to sort out my new room. lots of stuff to unpack & move around tomorrow. (note to self: find decent sized bookshelf for my 100+ books or sell them off) [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:14 ]


Sean_Michael_Wilson wrote:
school sucks. What's marmite xD? [ Thursday 2 Sept at 13:00 ]

And yet it doesn't seem to have bothered the four or five WP members whose faces I see on seanmw's friend's list. Maybe they haven't noticed this thread and/or not realised that seanmw's girlfriend was ever in any danger, because there's nothing about it on Sean Michael Wilson's "Wall", at all, just dozens and dozens of Mafia Wars and Vampire Wars game "progress reports", going back to January and earlier.

8O :x :wall: :eew: :huh: :thumbdown:


What confuses me is that this whole idea of donating money wasn't even his idea. He posted a thread up in the Haven saying that his girlfriend had cancer and then hale_bopp had the idea of setting up a thread asking for donation.



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04 Sep 2010, 3:31 pm

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What confuses me is that this whole idea of donating money wasn't even his idea. He posted a thread up in the Haven saying that his girlfriend had cancer and then hale_bopp had the idea of setting up a thread asking for donation.


Todesking explained/described this sort of approach very well in a post two pages back.

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Some scammers use nice people like Hale Bopp to get a scam going to make themselves look innocent like they were too embarrassed or too proud to ask for the money. They go cry on the shoulder of someone they know is nice very helpful who considers them as a friend. You are taught at an early to help friends out from an early age. They set up the post asking others to help this person they usually get real gung-ho about it and their energy and willingness to help becomes infectious. The "good friend" finds other people to help doing all the leg work and the begging while the scammer types off situation reports and keeps the fires burning to keep the money making machine the friend gave birth to too keep snatching more funds. Its a great scam if you can pull it off. Your hands are clean and the victims feel better about themselves.



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04 Sep 2010, 3:43 pm

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What confuses me is that this whole idea of donating money wasn't even his idea. He posted a thread up in the Haven saying that his girlfriend had cancer and then hale_bopp had the idea of setting up a thread asking for donation.


Todesking explained/described this sort of approach very well in a post two pages back.

Todesking wrote:
Some scammers use nice people like Hale Bopp to get a scam going to make themselves look innocent like they were too embarrassed or too proud to ask for the money. They go cry on the shoulder of someone they know is nice very helpful who considers them as a friend. You are taught at an early to help friends out from an early age. They set up the post asking others to help this person they usually get real gung-ho about it and their energy and willingness to help becomes infectious. The "good friend" finds other people to help doing all the leg work and the begging while the scammer types off situation reports and keeps the fires burning to keep the money making machine the friend gave birth to too keep snatching more funds. Its a great scam if you can pull it off. Your hands are clean and the victims feel better about themselves.


And I would of fallen for it. I actually would of donated money to him if I had an internet banking account, which I didn't.



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04 Sep 2010, 4:05 pm

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What confuses me is that this whole idea of donating money wasn't even his idea. He posted a thread up in the Haven saying that his girlfriend had cancer and then hale_bopp had the idea of setting up a thread asking for donation.


the way i remember it people were just saying supportive things like 'id help out/give you some money' if i could', probably not expecting much to come of it...but seanmw jumped straight on the idea and although he didnt do it himself id still say he was a pretty influentual and persuasive force behind it. all those damn smilies.

he lies and fabricates things a lot to try to manipulate people imo. like the other day i posted a pic and then went onto the 'interview' thread and answered a Q saying I wasnt asian. A few minutes later he's saying i should post another pic because that one's not clear and just happens to mention i look like i 'could be asian'. er no mate.

i bet he's even been reading all this

whatta dick, let's be honest



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04 Sep 2010, 4:58 pm

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...we all know you did it because you want to feel better about yourself and look good to everyone, and not because you actually cared about the cause. if you actually cared about the principle, you would not feel the need to post the amount that you donated, and brag about how it only took you two hours to earn that sum of money. :roll:


Only on WP do people get shot down for generosity. It seems like no matter what someone does on here, someone else always has to take an opposing side and play armchair psychiatrist.

This forum is really headed into the shitter.



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Stellar wrote:
...we all know you did it because you want to feel better about yourself and look good to everyone, and not because you actually cared about the cause. if you actually cared about the principle, you would not feel the need to post the amount that you donated, and brag about how it only took you two hours to earn that sum of money. :roll:


Only on WP do people get shot down for generosity. It seems like no matter what someone does on here, someone else always has to take an opposing side and play armchair psychiatrist.

This forum is really headed into the shitter.


Really? I hope not. Those people may have been generous, but getting duped not nice.



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04 Sep 2010, 5:35 pm

Jono wrote:
What confuses me is that this whole idea of donating money wasn't even his idea. He posted a thread up in the Haven saying that his girlfriend had cancer and then hale_bopp had the idea of setting up a thread asking for donation.


Perhaps he was at first willing to use the money for what it was intended for but then decided he needed the money for other things instead sort of corrupted by having that ready cash at his finger tips. :?

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PS. It occurs to me that maybe the only reason why he couldn't play the same game on his Facebook page is that two of his sisters and one of his brothers ( and an awful lot of his college/high school friends too ), are on his Facebook friends list.


Maybe someone can ask his friends and family on his facebook page how is his sick girlfriend is feeling and if he went to see her or not. Please do not come out and say he is a scammer there is a very slim chance he is not. If his friends and family members start asking about his sick girlfriend it might put an end to his scammer career before he gets in over his head and into real trouble.

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Only on WP do people get shot down for generosity. It seems like no matter what someone does on here, someone else always has to take an opposing side and play armchair psychiatrist.


The problem is some people will get caught up in the generosity sending their cash before anyone has checked it out. You'll get a lot of people sitting on the fence but when they see five or six people dropping anywhere from $20.00-100.00 so they think it must legit and send some money aswell. The funny thing the scammer does not have to defend his/her actions when skeptics start pointing fingers the people who sent money begin to attack the skeptics calling them names insulting their intelligence or what have you. They do this so they do not look like an idiot that was taken. Sean changed his story how many times? I do not believe people were still sending cash after hearing that. :roll:


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