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16 Dec 2007, 6:42 pm

Irulan wrote:
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I meant I thought maybe you said something that would have answered my question, not necessarily that you responded to my inquiry. Sorry. :oops:


Such a small misunderstanding :)


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relatively easy to learn


I HATE German :x I can barely construct a sentence in it 8O We have German lessons in our school but they're only symbolic, I'd call it this way. Dude who teaches us knows about this very well, letting us go home 30 minutes before the end of lesson, rarely checking the list of attendance (usually only half the students are present) and some weeks ago we're watching a movie about Mr Bean instead having a lesson (there were only 5 people then). I'm planning to start learning Spanish on my own but I'm a terrible procrastinator so my teach yourself book is lying on shelf for two years. I don't know even the most rudimentary vocabulary in German but now maybe it'll change because recently I found in my case a German handbook for beginners which was used by my mother or somebody of her siblings when they were in high school.


Well, German DOES have declension, and some sentence organization is part of the grammar and, talk about split verbs, YIKES! So I guess I can see why you say that.

BTW Americans say that a hard to understand document "is greek" to them!

Germans say that a hard to understand document "Looks like spanish" to them!

I guess difficulty is in the eye of the beholder. Spanish doesn't have declension, and the sentence organization isn't part of the grammar, but it DOES have double negatives! YIKES!

BTW I do know SOME spanish, and am working at learning more. Ironic, since I took 3 years of it in highschool, heard a LOT of it, and have been exposed to it a lot. I ALMOST got fluent in the first year, but wondered why I should even try since they, in my country, didn't try to learn english. Yeah, I know! IRONIC! So I just tried to pass the classes. :cry: So now that I am away from so many spanish speakers, I am trying to get a good vocabulary, etc... under my belt! BTW I waited until college to take 3 years of German. I was probably midly fluent even before taking the first class. I actually spoke a bit of german with the teacher prior to the first class. He got a funny idea that I was danish! :lol: I guess because I knew danish also.

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MANY in the US feel the same and, I imagine, it is even LESS liked in Russia. Most of the history isn't really applicable, ESPECIALLY to another country.


Recently we were having a contest concerning history of Great Britain (and generally knowledge of life in United Kingdom). I always liked British History and I regret we're having this subject only on the first year :x My team won thanks to me and I was the only one who was given an additional award - a T-shirt with our school logo. I got also a book about English and Scottish kings and queens and a calendar with British birds. Our headmaster said at presence of all the gathered spectactors that she was amazed with my knowledge. But I don't think AT ALL that it was something extraordinary - after all it was a normal knowledge everybody can have. I wasn't asked about a name of the second wife of Aethelred the Unready or which medieval king's wife was known as "Fair Maid of Kent" and what her real name was but about number of kids of Elizabeth II and other casual stuff of this kind 8O Not a big deal to answer such questions.


WOW, you should get another award for modesty. And NO, I'm not being sarcastic. :D Yeah, I said only yesterday(because someone remarked about how much I knew, etc...) that if I knew everything I was ever exposed to I'd be the smartest person on the planet. That is kind of my version of the "If I had a nickle for everytime anyone did that, I'd be a millionare", etc....

Sadly, I only know a small fraction of that. My point wasn't to brag. I'm sure MOST, including you, could say the same anyway. My point was simply to say that I wasn't nearly as good as she seemed to think. I'm OK in my job as long as I know the basics, can reason, and know where to find everything else out.

It IS interesting how many with AS LOVE history. I am not crazy about it, but know a LOT about a lot of people, and companies. So I guess, in a way, I am interested in history also. I'm just not interested in the type of history that schools teach.

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Btw, I don't know if somebody have ever told you this but I think you're undeniably one of the most interesting and clever persons on Wrong Planet. :)


THANKS! I feel the same about you! :D



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17 Dec 2007, 3:51 am

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BTW Americans say that a hard to understand document "is greek" to them!

Germans say that a hard to understand document "Looks like spanish" to them!

I guess difficulty is in the eye of the beholder. Spanish doesn't have declension, and the sentence organization isn't part of the grammar, but it DOES have double negatives! YIKES!


Pole looking at a text which is difficult to understand says that "it's a total chinese" to him :lol:

As for double negatives, they exist in Polish (and other Slavonic languages as well) and when I started to learn English I used to commit mistakes constructing sentences in English which had double negatives because they looked so perfectly normal then and the concept of a sentence without double negatives seemed strange 8O

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WOW, you should get another award for modesty.

It IS interesting how many with AS LOVE history.


It wasn't a manifestation of modesty, in fact I find modesty destructive, as same as boastfulness, there always must be a golden mean. It was simply an assertion of some fact, after all some information (like those mentioned pieces of information about UK for instance) is absorbed from our environment in a natural way, painlessly and people who are at least a bit more intelligent than a guinea pig should (in theory, at least) know those basic things.


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THANKS! I feel the same about you! :D


It's nice, indeed :) May I know what is your opinion about me based on? :D



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17 Dec 2007, 6:50 am

I did speech and drama training as a kid and now do regular TV and Radio work as an IT Journalist. I find being in studios easy as they are usually controlled, quiet, spaces and would rather do a live to air radio show than telephone someone I don't know! I also do some public speaking these days, which is OK as long as I can have 2 - 3 quiet days to recover afterwards.

After many years of practice I find the speaking bit easy and it gives me an intense adrenaline hit. The downside is I almost always get a migraine the day after an event where I have to face lots of people, and feel like my plug has been pulled out. You'd never know I had AS if you met me. Unless I'm tired or hungry. Then I start stuttering, go monotone and become ms. flappy. :wink:


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17 Dec 2007, 7:06 am

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I did speech and drama training as a kid and now do regular TV and Radio work as an IT Journalist. I find being in studios easy as they are usually controlled, quiet, spaces and would rather do a live to air radio show than telephone someone I don't know! I also do some public speaking these days, which is OK as long as I can have 2 - 3 quiet days to recover afterwards.

After many years of practice I find the speaking bit easy and it gives me an intense adrenaline hit. The downside is I almost always get a migraine the day after an event where I have to face lots of people, and feel like my plug has been pulled out. You'd never know I had AS if you met me. Unless I'm tired or hungry. Then I start stuttering, go monotone and become ms. flappy. :wink:


That is great. I would much rather read this than "Oh you have AS, you are bound to be pathetic your whole life" "Oh you have AS, you're just not as good as NTs", "Oh you have AS, your set job will be data entry or computer programming or working where people can't see you".

I'm not good with public speaking at all however, I'm sure if I had practice and found my vice I could do it because I don't care what limitations others try to place on others due to whatever label comes stamped on their foreheads.

In other words, I'm happy you do your own thing minus the "You can't do this, you aren't supposed to do that because you are this" road blocks thrown at you.



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17 Dec 2007, 9:56 am

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Pole looking at a text which is difficult to understand says that "it's a total chinese" to him :lol:


Well, I think almost anyone that wasn't used to a tonal language, etc... would find Chinese hard, so you're not alone.

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As for double negatives, they exist in Polish (and other Slavonic languages as well) and when I started to learn English I used to commit mistakes constructing sentences in English which had double negatives because they looked so perfectly normal then and the concept of a sentence without double negatives seemed strange 8O


That goes to show you how little Polish I remember. :oops: Of course, I didn't spend much time doing so. It is a shame because a little later I noticed 2 people talking at a bank, recognized it, asked if they were speaking polish, and they said they WERE!

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WOW, you should get another award for modesty.

It IS interesting how many with AS LOVE history.


It wasn't a manifestation of modesty, in fact I find modesty destructive, as same as boastfulness, there always must be a golden mean. It was simply an assertion of some fact, after all some information (like those mentioned pieces of information about UK for instance) is absorbed from our environment in a natural way, painlessly and people who are at least a bit more intelligent than a guinea pig should (in theory, at least) know those basic things.


Maybe you just have a really good memory, etc... Frankly, I don't pick up nearly as much as I would like, although I DO pick up some useless stuff.

Heck, I have been exposed to japanese quite a bit. I may even have known japanese for a time(I saw some japanese cartoons that seemed oddly familiar like I once knew what the japanese words meant.). But I know VERY little now! BTW I picked japanese out because I have some japanese cousins, and once lived with them for like a week. I was a young kid at the time, and probably would have been willing and able to pick up a fair amount of japanese.



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17 Dec 2007, 12:19 pm

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Maybe you just have a really good memory, etc... Frankly, I don't pick up nearly as much as I would like, although I DO pick up some useless stuff.


I always used to remember shreds of information and I tend to find it really unusual that many other people I know don't do it. I was asked many times how it's possible that I knew so many miscellaneous stuff. It happens to me quite often that when a teacher explains something to us, I interrupt him or her, treating other students curious details I read somewhere. Some time ago our American studies teacher told us that we'd have to prepare some information about a famous American (who it'd be depends only on our will). Suddenly I heard some other girls from my group talking that "I'll know it for sure" and when they came closer I was asked if Nobel was American 8O because they'd like to prepare some information just about him. I thought then: for God's sake, how is it possible not to know such a simple fact ??? I always think that others know the same what I and I find it hard to connect to this normal current of others' thoughts and knowledge. In fact I have no idea what knowledge is normal for others.



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17 Dec 2007, 5:11 pm

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That is great. I would much rather read this than "Oh you have AS, you are bound to be pathetic your whole life" "Oh you have AS, you're just not as good as NTs", "Oh you have AS, your set job will be data entry or computer programming or working where people can't see you".

I'm not good with public speaking at all however, I'm sure if I had practice and found my vice I could do it because I don't care what limitations others try to place on others due to whatever label comes stamped on their foreheads.

In other words, I'm happy you do your own thing minus the "You can't do this, you aren't supposed to do that because you are this" road blocks thrown at you.


I totally agree Kitsy. I was lucky to have been diagnosed as 'gifted' in the 70s and taught that i could do anything that I set my mind to. Of course I've had to work harder at the stuff I wasn't naturally good at, but everyone is born with different strengths and weaknesses, and with the right support everyone can find their niche. As long as you accept that with AS some things are out of reach, and find an environment that doesn't drain you emotionally or cause meltdowns. Personally I can't face lots of people every day, but part-time media work suits me fine and I really enjoy it.

I've started writing a book with some positive views of life with AS. Both my husband and I have Aspergers and we are both happy and successful people. Sure it hasn't always been easy, we've had some really tough times along the way. But now we have the luxury of living in a gorgeous country, working for ourselves and doing what we love day to day.

I'm so proud of Heather for doing ANTM and showing the world our creative, caring side. There are so many misconceptions about autism and AS, even here on Wrong Planet. Apparently none of us are able to empathise, and we definitely can't have AS if we make eye contact which is just rubbish.

Watching Heather learn and grown in confidence every week was great and she was definitely the public's favourite. The best bit for me was reading the fan sites with comments like - 'I know a kid like that at school. I'll try and be a bit nicer to them next time I see them'.


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17 Dec 2007, 5:47 pm

I CALL SHOTGUN to date her!

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18 Dec 2007, 9:01 am

Our favourite Aspie is now also on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hkmodel



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18 Dec 2007, 8:23 pm

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Our favourite Aspie is now also on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hkmodel


how do you know that's her myspace and not a phony? Assuming it's real, did you notice that under "heroes" she listed "my gay mommies"? 8O



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19 Dec 2007, 1:24 am

Mw99 wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Our favourite Aspie is now also on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hkmodel


how do you know that's her myspace and not a phony? Assuming it's real, did you notice that under "heroes" she listed "my gay mommies"? 8O


Because it's listed on her DeviantART page, http://0pandoras0tear0.deviantart.com/.
The "gay mommies" thing could be sarcasm of some sort.



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19 Dec 2007, 2:17 am

Holy topic-drift, Batman!!

...ahem...

"HEATHER"

There - that's better. ;)



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19 Dec 2007, 7:50 am

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Holy topic-drift, Batman!!

...ahem...

"HEATHER"

There - that's better. ;)


...And the point of that commment was?



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19 Dec 2007, 10:28 am

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...And the point of that commment was?

...that the last 5+ pages had nothing to do with her?

Your avatar is growling at me. :(



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19 Dec 2007, 1:45 pm

Well, we seem to be back on track now.



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19 Dec 2007, 11:08 pm

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The "gay mommies" thing could be sarcasm of some sort.


aspies are not good when it comes to sarcasm ;)