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By lowest 2% I assume you mean IQ test scores.

Not so much offended as annoyed. I am annoyed that Special Olympics is only open to people who have taken an IQ test and scored in the mentally ret*d range. The world of children's athletics seems to be divided into NT and MR with nothing available for the non-MR AS kid but therapeutic horseback riding.

Not true, they wanted to get me into the disabled athletics for running when I was in school, but I at that time refused to acknowledge my disabilities, and thus wouldn't "degrade" myself by joining the team. Looking back, I wish I had have joined...

Personally, I don't think Mensa's "so bad". Like a lot of people here, I could get in but the money's not there.

However, there's something that doesn't let me like Mensa as much as I'd like, and it's that Mensa has been around for awhile, yet we haven't seen anything of value done by it. Why? it's an organization for the extremely intelligent people, isn't it? yet it hasn't produced anything of value, it hasn't "made the difference" as people would say.

Exactly, which is why I won't join.

Dr Binet back in the 1930s when IQ tests were developed said they should not be concrete for measuring intelligence its only a theory, and the french government jumped on it quicker than micheal jacson at a 12 year olds pool party.

Here's my own theory of my project in the last fortnight, firstly to say that a number quantifies intelligence IS FRIGGIN ret*d, it does not eve logically make sense it is like turning pastry into clouds does not make sense at all, secondly IQ doesn't even shw anything about intelligence like sizes of the cortexes etc etc so how does IQ actually shouw intelligence becaue IQ how Mensa see it iss if you answer question fast and get them right you're clever,that does not really make you retain large amounts of information necessarily. so frankly it is just silly and makes little sense to an unqualified onlooker. DON'T EVEN TELL ME THE LOGISTICS lol because I looked at them and it just proves nothing at all.

Thirdly the are theoried 2 types of intelligence EQ and IQ, EQ is funnily enough registered as emotional quotant and intitiative,frankly intellect cannot be measured as life experience is also a crucial element one aspect with a lot of Mensa people it seems and no offense to posters eho have and were in mensa and this is not directly at you, but they seem very very sheltered so this of course shows they have little life experience.

The whole IQ debate is very confusing but in my theory intellect cannot be meeasured as it is not even tangable and is etheral it does not exist in theory

Heh... Me and my brother can stop worrying now! We thought we were the only totally ANTI-MENSANs! See our step-father who had an affair with our mother (yeah, real clever splitting two families up and ruining 4 children's lives...) is in Mensa. Me and my brother look through the magazines and just get really p****d with all the self-loving b*****ds and their articles. My brother says that Mensans 'look up on themselves' or something like that which I don't understand! What we both agree on is that it is unfair to measure a person's intelligence by whether they are good at math or writing because they don't take creative minds into account. My brother is an excellent artist and I am a slightly less excellent artist but a talented musician, yet neither of us would qualify for mensa because we both struggle with maths. I myself have dyscalculia and can barely add up! Does that make me stupid? Is my friend who is also a talented artist stupid because she has dyslexia? No I don't think so. Also my step-dad and others like him are arrogent and think themselves better then everyone else. I bet he doesn't have a clue how the real world works...

Wow, I just had a super rant there eh?

See, I am good at art and math. I'm not super at any of them, but I am better than the average bear at both. I tend to be really critical of my art abilities, and my math I let slip throughout the years, so I hope I'm underestimating myself, but that's probably wishful thinking. Anyway, I always valued my creative, artistic abilities more than my ability to do math. I think it's because in art, you create something. In math, you are a trained puppet...unless you follow it through to a PhD level and hit it passionately, and even then you don't create anything as much as discover it. To me, the ability to create is empowering, much more so than a stupid number giving me a false sense of my own intrigue. But I will say IQ is somewhat ego boosting, but if they were capable of creating anything, they would agree with all the other artists and mothers out there that creating something goes beyond ego and hits that self actualization of (is it Maslow's?) pyramid of needs.

The reason they put IQ criteria in LD sports is because they want competitors to play at as equal level as possible,and not have anyone with an unfair advantage,its the same reason why a lot of people wanted the athelete [oscar? something..the athelete who has two false blade legs] banned from competing in disabled sports because he had two blades which they said gave him an advantage other other atheletes.But then again disabled sports isnt very fair at all-sport officials punished all innocent and genuine atheletes with learning disabilities by banning them from competing in the paralympics for years,all because one country used a team made up of people faking learning disability.
If am remember correctly,the special olympics accept functional IQ as well as regular IQ,though that may only be in certain areas,an aspie member on here-Jerry Hatake has been in it.


If were in the UK,there are actually quite a lot of disabled sports places a non MR aspie would get welcomed in,as they dont restrict to IQ,just that the person has some sort of disability.
the local council should have a list of clubs under 'learning disabilities' ,and the internet is good place to start for disabled sports clubs,if just write '[name of sport] [disabled clubs] [area that live in]'.

There's also the RDA [Riding for the Disabled Association],they have RDA groups running in 'mainstream' riding schools all over the country and also RDA disabled riding schools [am have just joined one,though used to attend RDA hacks elsewhere].
these are not just for riding therapy,but can go as far as the rider wants-some of its riders go as far as the mainstream olypmics,some do RDA shows,some go for the lessons or hacks,and some have it for therapy.They also do cart/trap driving.



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sister is aspie/gifted,and said she'll never join mensa.


have seen programmes on tv where there's little children [toddlers] being forced to study and sit down for IQ tests at mensa hq.it seems to be just as much about the parents for some,as it is for the childrens gain.

Mensa has no opinions; it is merely an infrastructure for its members who can come from many backgrounds, fields, opinions etc. Those individual members who produce anything of value, may or may not have arrived at their achievements partly from bouncing their ideas off other members whom they would not have known except through Mensa. Mensa will not get the credit for the achievements of individuals to whom that applies. To say that Mensa has not made a difference is thus an argument from silence.

I don't mind the club thing at all, just the assertion that members are the smartest people in the world. A single test can't determine that. Their club is only so exclusive because most of the world's intellectuals couldn't care less about being members.

Me included. I will join an even better intellectual club, one that requires eight years of college and a contribution to the field you study. It also grants you the wicked cool title of "Doctor."

mr dr name sounds evil lol its doctor roode

AUTSA we should create. a specific organization ONLY for autistics. only people who score high on autism tests can get in lmao. aspergers or lower.

And the purpose of such a group would be? To me it seems that WP is close enough that there would be no need for such a group.

its just a joke

Yeah, see, if MENSA can be exclusive about their neurotype, we can be exclusive about ours...

Except, y'know, we'd miss out an all the interesting non-autistics out there.

What's with the "if you're not a genius you're not interesting to hang out with" thing that MENSA has going, anyway?

yeah. theres a lot of NTs who like me