Why is it easier for NTs to feign?

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I'm forced to do this even when i know people


There's just a thing as lying in inter-personal situations to benefit others, lacking emotion does not equate to being an narcissist and faking emotions has never been a bad thing.


An aspie could just as easily con someone without the use of fake emotions or double-speak. You're taking an attribute of the majority and twisting it into something it is not.


Not only are you painting a picture that anyone who lacks emotional responses are amoral (Which is hilariously wrong might i add!), but you are also smearing the image of something because "some" people use it for bad purposes. I'll let you in on a little secret, there are plenty of aspies out there who have done terrible things, that doesn't make aspergers a bad thing.


You just painted a whole group of people are "evil" and "amoral". If you honestly think a group of people who minds like you would treat others fairly...


Saving a child under attack from a dog would be self-serving, because i could walk away and not care that he's just been mauled. Saving him would lead to people treating me better. Oh why yes! I'm socially dangerous and a monster. When you talk of "psychopaths", you are talking about the people who completely lack logic or insight. Self-serving, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, even narcissism doesn't equate to the stereotypical sociopath.


Your witty (lol) reply doesn't change your insight.



You're making untruthful and incorrect comments about people who lack empathy and remorse. Yes, people with these traits can be nasty, but they can also be good, which is why i'm disagreeing with you. It's rediculous that you would smear a whole group of people for what they "might" do. And as for Hare? Sociopathy isn't even a medical diagnosis, and has no physical/neurological cause attributed to it.


Claiming people you have never met to be amoral and evil IS bullying. Not only that, but you represent any type of emotional deciet as being "a plague" or "sociopathic".


Hurt? i just like talking.


1. The intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another... and that's from a dictionary.


I never tried to portray psychopaths as "good guys", i'm merely disagreeing with what you believe a psychopath to be. Your version of a psychopath includes many people who are not psychopaths. A lack of empathy, remorse, compassion and emotion reponse does not equate to being a psychopath. Faking emotional responses and influencing people does not equate to being a psychopath. You might want to read them links yourself and picture the actual behaviour of said disorders rather than catagorising them by what they are lacking, you might learn something.

Demon_Chorus, the manipulativeness in your posts is simply staggering. Holy cow.

I don't know how to say this nicely but this is the type of trite invalidating advice that makes aspies want to pull their hair out or smack someone upside the head. First of all you're generalizing that all aspies are blunt and say what's on our mind. I'm not that type. That's not my problem. Everyone tells me I'm "such a nice guy" until I literally explode at someone when they try to play games with me and take advantage of my niceness. Constantly putting on a mask drains me to the point where I have no energy or ambition to do anything by the end of the day. Over time the internalized rage in dealing with constant BS boils up to a breaking point. I get tired of being a nice guy. I feel like I would be more at peace if I acted like an as*hole more often. There is no peace.

Suggesting other members should seek counceling is really uncool.

Third strike pot, pots like you shouldn't scream at kettles.

Manipulate = Control

You're the one ignoring everything I said and putting words in my mouth, your attempt at controlling the argument has failed and now you're left with nothing but ad hominen attacks. I may be wrong on somethings but atleast I'm not ignorant to my faults unlike yourself who has been wrong on many things.

"The blind who cannot see themselves will run into a brick wall over and over again, those that can see will not and will change their ways"- Metaphoric phrase inspired by my friend CG



And distorting my words isn't? But I'll edit that post, because you do have a point.

^^ Oh you did NOT just resort to "I know you are but what am I". OMG. Well, finally there's a in all this, anyway. I can only shake my head...

It sounds like you have more of a problem establishing healthy boundries than you do with your AS.

I did not mean to generalize that everyone with AS is blunt. I know you are all different. But it is one of the symptoms, is it not?

If all else fails...Diagnose!

I got what you were saying, marshall.

Come on, you know what I was trying to say. : ) Getting walked on is not a symptom of AS. It's a symptom of not having healthy boundries.

Someone asked why it is easier for NT's to feign. As an NT who lives with an AS I gave my two cents. Hopefully I wasn't out of line.

Oh...well, no...you're right. Getting walked on is not an AS symptom exclusively...but no, I didn't know what you were trying to say. I was taking it literally, I think. I did absolutely get out of your post what marshall did.

What you just said now does, all by itself, make sense: Getting walked on is not a (singularly) AS symptom.

You don't like your friends and family? Or is it just co-workers? co-workers are understandable but if it's your friends and family....



How do you benefit others by lying in inter-personal relationships? Give examples.

As for faking emotions, it's bad based on context, things are not black and white, it's somethings a good, it's sometimes a neutral and it's sometimes bad. It's about context and circumstance.



Yes and ASer is going to "con" someone honestly.... conning someone means there is a conscious agenda to con the person.

Hustler:
Slang. a person who employs fraudulent or unscrupulous methods to obtain money; swindler.

Sorry if they are not employing fraudulent or unscrupulous methods they aren't "conning" someone.



Not really, I'm practicing what I preach, you're the one twisting it.



More word distortion, I'm painting a picture of amoral-narcissistic pyschopaths taking everyone for all their worth, not a neutral-schizoid who just wants to be left along.



Well sorry if you got the wrong idea, I'll be clearer now..... theres a fine line between using it in a proper (good or nuetral) manner and abusing it (using it for bad purposes).



Let me give you a little secret: I KNOW THAT! I've done bad things, but theres a difference between occasionally doing it and consistently doing it and having remorse and being remorseless.



Yeah but that wouldn't be bad because you did a good thing, but if it didn't benefit you would you do it? Would you do it just because it's right? Would you steal from your friends and family if you had the oppurtunity and had no chance of getting caught? Do you think you are above the rules? I answered your response now answer my questions.



Um, yes they do, except they're pathological excess', did you even bother reading the links I gave?



And your silly little quips don't change the facts at hand, you lack insight yourself.



Whatever you say......



You seem to be mistaking my demonization for a absolutist 100% factor, when it's not, a d-bag factor of 80% is still a d-bag, you really have no insight into me. You assume without knowing who I am like a fool.



And yet it's still used in the medical world, it's mainly been replaced by ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder) for criminal psychopathy and NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) for sub-criminal psychopathy, and actually there has been biological links towards the behaviour but then again you're going to mistake me for a biological-fatalist now to feel like "won", even though I believe that psychological conditions are a combination of biological, enviornmental and sociological factors.

Umm.... I talk with both my psychiatrist and pyschologist about stuff and psychopathy is one of the many subjects I talk about. They both abide by the same Harean rule of psychopathy, seriously do think I'm just a "AI simulation" here to entertain you and I have no existence in the real world? Because you're wrong.



Please name names of people I specified, who did I specify? I named no names, how can I be bullying someone that doesn't exist. Unless you mean mister generalized narcissistic d-bag who lies, cheats and steals from his friends, family and girlfriend constantly with no remorse. Oh noes! I bullied a freaking generalized abstract, I am such a bully for harrassing a abstract.



Assumptions will make a fool of you, especially when you don't know the person. You keep on projecting this "absolutism" on me that I lack, why do you keep doing this? I said nothing about "any type of emotional deceit", I was very specific about the type, quit assuming and generalizing.



I erased the comment because it was extremely rude, but yes you do seem hurt and angry.



You've just proven my point, to intellectually identify with a person you have to connect with them emotionally, psychopaths do not connect, the connection is a ruse with them. If you insist on this then why don't you go around telling Psychologists/Psychiatrists and the APA that they're "wrong" about ASPD, NPD, and Psychopathy and let's see what happens.



I ADMIT that was a hasty conclusion I jumped too, but again I can acknowledge things and you don't seem to be able to, why don't you admit when you jump to hasty conclusions.... or are you "always" right?



I'm trying to make a point that a line needs to be drawn between proper use of fakeness and abusive use of it.

Last edited by Demon-Chorus on 04 Jul 2009, 2:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

^ Jesus H, man. There's something called Xanax, you know.

You're funny. And right. : )

Bwah ha, thanks. Thank you for saying that.

granatelli, thank you very much for coming in and facing the (sadly inevitable) fire that NT sharings light up in us Aspies. And thank you also for going back to the original topic of the thread.

Could you please state your answer to my original question in one sentence? I'm afraid I still don't have it clear. Do you mean, like Jenessy and others said here, that NTs find it a bit easier to feign because they start practising earlier?

Childish attempts to provoke, how droll. I called you on your hypocrisy and you just act like a child and play mind games.



Oh noes, I'm serious buisness, I better take some Xanax because you know "life is game"



Circle jerk behaviour.



The circle-jerkers ego needs to be stroked after.