Autistic Boy Voted Out of Kindergarten Gets Even

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02 Sep 2009, 1:55 am

If this lady has any sort of license to teach, I hope one of the results of the lawsuit is that she's stripped of that license for life. We can delicense doctors, we can disbar lawyers, why can't we delicense teachers who epically fail at their jobs to this degree? By this point, for that matter, I'd hope that anyone who knew about this and did not a) automatically strip her of tenure at the school, b) offer counseling or other help to all victimized by this and c) made changes to the school or district to make sure this would never happen again are also banned from working in education again.

This is also a further reason why I support school choice (either a voucher system for private schools or people just getting to choose their own public schools regardless of district). If people could choose what schools their child went to rather than it being decided for them, the Bartons (and any other parents of children in the class disturbed by what happened) could organize a boycott of the school, be it just their kindergarten or the whole school, until it shapes up and actually addresses this. Unfortunately, as things stand, they have no reason to fix things, as they're guaranteed money no matter what. It's corrupt beyond belief as I see it.



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02 Sep 2009, 8:35 am

Morgana wrote:
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am I the only one who noticed this part of the article?

Barton didn't return to the class and finished the year in homeschooling, and has since been diagnosed with a form of autism called Asperger's syndrome, which may have caused his behavior.

he was diagnosed with autism after the incident, not before it.

I am not saying that is an excuse for her behavior. But you can't say that she was out to get an autistic child when no one knew he was autistic in the first place.


I've been following this story, as I found it very distressing when I first heard about it; and in the original article, it was stated that he was undergoing the diagnostic process at the time of this incident. So, although the diagnosis was not yet 100% official, autism was suspected.


possibly by the mother. Maybe not by the teacher. Depends on how well the 2 communicated, which is not something I can determine based on the articles.


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02 Sep 2009, 8:36 am

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If this lady has any sort of license to teach, I hope one of the results of the lawsuit is that she's stripped of that license for life. We can delicense doctors, we can disbar lawyers, why can't we delicense teachers who epically fail at their jobs to this degree?


you can.


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02 Sep 2009, 9:03 am

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the article says he was voted out by a majority of 14-2, I wonder how the 14 treats the 2

The way the teacher handled it is bizarre. This is a kindergarten class, how many of the kids in it are mature enough to realize what's going on? The teacher coached them through this, encouraging them in bullying behaviour that's against the school's policy or should be. Any discussion should be between her and the parents, not her and the class.
Pre school and kindergarten are times when screening occurs and when diagnosis are sought. It's not unheard of for the teacher to suspect a child has ADHD or autism and consult with the parents. This teacher was totally unprofessional. Why she got reinstated is beyond me. She should have been fired for poor performance and that should have been the end of it.



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02 Sep 2009, 10:49 pm

Shiggily wrote:
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am I the only one who noticed this part of the article?

Barton didn't return to the class and finished the year in homeschooling, and has since been diagnosed with a form of autism called Asperger's syndrome, which may have caused his behavior.

he was diagnosed with autism after the incident, not before it.

I am not saying that is an excuse for her behavior. But you can't say that she was out to get an autistic child when no one knew he was autistic in the first place.


I've been following this story, as I found it very distressing when I first heard about it; and in the original article, it was stated that he was undergoing the diagnostic process at the time of this incident. So, although the diagnosis was not yet 100% official, autism was suspected.


possibly by the mother. Maybe not by the teacher. Depends on how well the 2 communicated, which is not something I can determine based on the articles.


Well, if this teacher had SO much trouble "handling" the child in class, let's hope she communicated with the mother; that should have been the first thing she should have done. If not, that's just one more example of how badly she handled this situation. All the more reason why she should get her license revoked....


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02 Sep 2009, 11:00 pm

The stupidity of people who are supposed to be in care-giving positions never ceases to amaze me. When I was about 13, the movie "10" came out and my Sunday School teacher thought it would be a great idea for the class to rate each other on several criteria ranging from intelligence to physical attractiveness on a scale of one to ten so we could see just how much we were valued by our peers. I was loudly voted a zero in every category. I'm sure she had no idea it was going to happen, but she never apologized to me nor said a word to the other girls, some of them her own daughters, about their behavior. And, yes, almost thirty years later it does still hurt to remember. This little boy is going to remember this for a long time to come.



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03 Sep 2009, 2:50 am

There are some NTs out there who are working to erode the power of those who bully anyone by exposing them for the social snake oil merchants they are.

Tony Attwood for instance, is one, the solicitor I consulted for an adult work scene (similar to the child in kindergarten ) just recently is another.

Bullying is ingrained in our world (as Willard wrote), but so was idiotic thinking and behaviour to ideas like 'the world is flat'.

It's our job, as ASDs to say NO to BULLYING; No I will not play that game; withdraw from that toxic environment; don't give them your time,money or talents.

Ok so it took a while before most of the planet could see the earth was round.... but most do see it so...that's where the hope is...in our ability to imagine a more just world for all.

Please ...do not accuse me of idealism / i know already and i'm happy there. :)



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03 Sep 2009, 2:56 am

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The stupidity of people who are supposed to be in care-giving positions never ceases to amaze me. When I was about 13, the movie "10" came out and my Sunday School teacher thought it would be a great idea for the class to rate each other on several criteria ranging from intelligence to physical attractiveness on a scale of one to ten so we could see just how much we were valued by our peers. I was loudly voted a zero in every category. I'm sure she had no idea it was going to happen, but she never apologized to me nor said a word to the other girls, some of them her own daughters, about their behavior. And, yes, almost thirty years later it does still hurt to remember. This little boy is going to remember this for a long time to come.



I never had that experience in a church setting, but then Christians wonder why there are so many atheists or people who prefer not to go to church.I no longer go to church for my own reasons (not bullying or what you have described)The people at my church back home in Vegreville were good people, but Im not the church going type of person.It wouldnt suprise me that this sunday school teacher and types like her as you described are the reason religion is looked down as hypocritical....and people dont want to be affiliated with any church


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03 Sep 2009, 3:44 am

Morgana wrote:
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Morgana wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
am I the only one who noticed this part of the article?

Barton didn't return to the class and finished the year in homeschooling, and has since been diagnosed with a form of autism called Asperger's syndrome, which may have caused his behavior.

he was diagnosed with autism after the incident, not before it.

I am not saying that is an excuse for her behavior. But you can't say that she was out to get an autistic child when no one knew he was autistic in the first place.


I've been following this story, as I found it very distressing when I first heard about it; and in the original article, it was stated that he was undergoing the diagnostic process at the time of this incident. So, although the diagnosis was not yet 100% official, autism was suspected.


possibly by the mother. Maybe not by the teacher. Depends on how well the 2 communicated, which is not something I can determine based on the articles.


Well, if this teacher had SO much trouble "handling" the child in class, let's hope she communicated with the mother; that should have been the first thing she should have done. If not, that's just one more example of how badly she handled this situation. All the more reason why she should get her license revoked....


you are assuming that she didn't.


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03 Sep 2009, 5:18 pm

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Unfortunately the kid might as well get used to it. As the writer pointed out, NTs have made this sort of behavior a billion-dollar 'reality television' industry. I've been treated with that kind of attitude for half a century now, most recently last January and I can't find an attorney who even has enough interest to sue over it.

Develop a thick skin, kid and never get your hopes up. Bullies always come out on top. :(

Its the way of the world.

Fukin right bro. What happened to that kid is DEMOCRACY IN THE RAW. The majority wanted him out, so he had to go. Harsh but true.



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03 Sep 2009, 7:06 pm

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If this lady has any sort of license to teach, I hope one of the results of the lawsuit is that she's stripped of that license for life. We can delicense doctors, we can disbar lawyers, why can't we delicense teachers who epically fail at their jobs to this degree? By this point, for that matter, I'd hope that anyone who knew about this and did not a) automatically strip her of tenure at the school, b) offer counseling or other help to all victimized by this and c) made changes to the school or district to make sure this would never happen again are also banned from working in education again.

Likely, her license will remain intact but she should be fired for poor performance in the district she's teaching in now. She can always move to another state, maybe even another district and teach but what she did should remain on her record. A teacher here was fired for "poor performance" and he was just a homophobe but never talked about it to his class. He was actually fired for being a homophobe. He sued the school district and won. He got reinstated which is understandable since his views on homosexuality weren't influencing the way he conducted or taught his class.
If that teacher can be fired just for being a homophobe, this woman should be fired, too, because what she did was far worse. People have got to stop tolerating the bullying and hold people accountable. Demand the bullying be stopped and it will.

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This is also a further reason why I support school choice (either a voucher system for private schools or people just getting to choose their own public schools regardless of district). If people could choose what schools their child went to rather than it being decided for them, the Bartons (and any other parents of children in the class disturbed by what happened) could organize a boycott of the school, be it just their kindergarten or the whole school, until it shapes up and actually addresses this. Unfortunately, as things stand, they have no reason to fix things, as they're guaranteed money no matter what. It's corrupt beyond belief as I see it.

I agree with vouchers and being allowed to change schools but there are problems with that, too. For one thing, the bad schools will never improve if no one insists they do. The good schools will be overcrowded with long waiting lists, kids wanting to get into them but not able to because of high demand. You have to hold all schools accountable and not say, "just change schools when the school doesn't inforce it's zero tolerance policy on bullying". Demand the school enforce the policy.



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03 Sep 2009, 11:24 pm

In Alberta, under Premier Ralph Klein, his government had a similar thing going when it came to schools..."The money followed the student" in a sense.Schools were funded based on how many students they got since the money followed each student.It is easy for students to transfer from one school to another in Alberta because of this.It is all mostly just filling out a registration form at the new school which has a section for what disabilities the student has so they can accomodate the student.Students with disabilities get extra funding and help at the school.


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03 Sep 2009, 11:27 pm

pschristmas wrote:
The stupidity of people who are supposed to be in care-giving positions never ceases to amaze me. When I was about 13, the movie "10" came out and my Sunday School teacher thought it would be a great idea for the class to rate each other on several criteria ranging from intelligence to physical attractiveness on a scale of one to ten so we could see just how much we were valued by our peers.


I agree, what this teacher did was unbelievably stupid. I'm sorry you had to go through this awful experience.


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