List one NT thing you do not understand.

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05 Oct 2009, 3:27 pm

why do people think im looking for emotional reasuring when i am not, also ppl think i am bitching about things when im just stating what i have noticed.

i gues saying things in a neutral way is the same as saying them in a negative way.

people are not sure of the meaning when you are neutral so they just decide you meant it in a negative way.

everything you say without at least some tiny signs of smiling on you're face is going to be taken the bad way.



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05 Oct 2009, 3:40 pm

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When they sent the spaceship up w/the DNA & other bits of humanity they also included parts of our pop culture, it was not all just dry science. All those little bits, rock and roll, fashion, Native American wall paintings, Romanian folk dancing and bad movies all make up parts of what it is to be human.


Yes I know I was only refering to the gold-like shield. I understand your point but well, I'll try to explain. I have a lot of interest (well I tend to focus a lot on one at times but they change pretty often). I like music, arts and everything beautifull the human kind have done. But it has nothing to do with fashion, religion and so on. Music, architecture, etc.. are facts in some way (the concept is difficult to explain for me and english is not my native language). If for istance Christ didn't existed we will still have arts, statue, painting and probably cathedrals or something similar. Fashion, religion and things like that are social excuse. I don't like the particularity of them and the things that many people simply stop thinking when comes to that.


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05 Oct 2009, 5:20 pm

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Why NTs think about unsolvable problem?
For me problem (not mathematical or the like) are:
a) solvable -> so solve it.
b) unsolvable -> so it's not a problem.




So, my fiancee calls me into the room this morning. She says, "I just remembered that my half-brother died of colon cancer". I said, "OK...".

So later, on the phone, I ask her, "Why did you call me in to tell me about your half-brother's colon cancer?". She says, "I don't know".

She has been having bowel problems and is a breast cancer survivor, but she told me about a family history of colon cancer for reasons unknown?

Sounds dishonest to me. So I ask, "Should I be concerned about this?". She gets frustrated.

I explain that I need to know why she told me. If she meant for me to be concerned and I brushed off her statement as not important, she would call be a cold heartless bastard.

I am getting tired of this. I think I would rather go back to not caring.

I don't have AS, I am a bastard. FTW!


But your profile says you have it and you're undiagnosed.



05 Oct 2009, 5:38 pm

People assume you haven't moved on or aren't over it when you talk about your horrible past or a conflict you were in. I guess they want you to be hushed about it and don't ever use them as an example for anything or as a anecdote or to point out their own hypocrisy, etc.

One of my aspie friends likes to get even with people who send him spam in the mail when all you do is throw it away and move on, don't do anything about it.

People doing the pecking order. Why do they side with their own friends and refuse to listen to the other person's side of the story or why do they even side with their own friends when they are the bullies? Must be the friendship conduct and I don't understand why.

People picking on other people about their disabilities and they both share the same condition

Some people picking something to attack someone about



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05 Oct 2009, 5:53 pm

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IMO many of the seemingly pointless NT behaviors described here are simply the small bits of talk and action that give us our humanity, personality and our character. These are the things that make us human. Remove them and you've got a world full of "Spocks". Logical & functional, true. But as cold, bland and boring as a beach full of penguines.

Embrace our differences! They make the world interesting! : )


So those of us who don't do these "small bits of talk and action" are inhuman? Thanks.


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05 Oct 2009, 6:05 pm

TB wrote:
why do people think im looking for emotional reasuring when i am not, also ppl think i am bitching about things when im just stating what i have noticed.

i gues saying things in a neutral way is the same as saying them in a negative way.

people are not sure of the meaning when you are neutral so they just decide you meant it in a negative way.

everything you say without at least some tiny signs of smiling on you're face is going to be taken the bad way.


I'm not so sure that they are taking it in necessarily a bad way, but in a way as to want to converse. When I watch a group of NTs, someone will often start off with a random comment, then they all are left to discuss it. If it is something that would bother others, that is often how it is perceived and how they react to it.

When I say something random, I'm usually not looking for an entire conversation based on what I've said. I'm sorting out my thoughts out loud and could really care less whether or not anyone else responds-often prefer them not to.

I don't get why I can't just say exactly what is on my mind and have it be taken that way. I was thinking of experimenting for a while... saying things that make absolutely no sense to see if people will even bother to try to read into it, because when I say things that make full sense, everyone feels a need to "decipher" it for some underlying meaning.

I also don't understand why people in general will show up to another's house uninvited. They stand at my door, expecting me to let them in, and I'm just thinking "umm... it's great you came by and all, but I'd prefer it if you would just leave so I can get on with my plans for the evening." I wonder what makes them think this is okay to do to others! I also find it oddly humorous, that the same people who do this, are the same people who would vent about how rude it is that someone else did it to them.

As far as things that go on with my child, I don't get why people will remark that he is so odd, or talk about his behaviors, then dismiss it immediately or act uncomfortable when I bring up his AS. It's oddly ironic that they would not be uncomfortable confronting a parent about their child's behavior (which, imo is very uncomfortable because people are often very protective of their children)... but will shy away so incredibly fast if you offer solutions to dealing with it or an explanation of why it is. I suppose that even though they are baffled and feel a need to question it, that they are really just venting about what a pain your child is being and expect you to go along with it? I don't get it.


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05 Oct 2009, 6:18 pm

The aspect of "stereotype behaviors" for example College students (drinking partying etc. skipping class work etc.) when IMO they should be focused on the career path and therefore there DEGREE!! !! !! !!



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05 Oct 2009, 6:38 pm

Lack of punctuality and reliability. I'd be ashamed of myself if I was as routinely late as most NTs I know, or as lackadaisical about holding to commitments.

How important sex is to most people's lives. When I reached the age when all the other boys were trying to get dates and impress girls, I was baffled. I had the same biological urges as the others, and I thought girls were attractive often felt good being around them, but I didn't see why the guys I knew thought it was worth going to such lengths to get their attention or spend time with them. I still don't. (I had a lot of female friends in school as a result, which was nice- I suppose they enjoyed being able to relax and hang out with a guy who genuinely had no desire to get into their pants.) The things so many people do for sex- sacrifice time, sacrifice money, violate their own moral beliefs, risk disease or disgrace or unwanted pregnancy- are incomprehensible to me.


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05 Oct 2009, 6:58 pm

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Lack of punctuality and reliability. I'd be ashamed of myself if I was as routinely late as most NTs I know, or as lackadaisical about holding to commitments.

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That's funny, one of the things that pisses me off about NTs is their insistence on punctuality and reliability.



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05 Oct 2009, 7:09 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:

So those of us who don't do these "small bits of talk and action" are inhuman? Thanks.


Of course that's not what I meant.

By the way. What's the name of this site again? : )



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05 Oct 2009, 7:14 pm

My new coworker who makes nice by making small talk. I think he's being sincere, but I wish he would talk about more interesting subjects rather ritualistic inquiries into how weekend went. "OK" End of that bit of conversation.


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05 Oct 2009, 7:26 pm

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Lack of punctuality and reliability. I'd be ashamed of myself if I was as routinely late as most NTs I know, or as lackadaisical about holding to commitments.

How important sex is to most people's lives. When I reached the age when all the other boys were trying to get dates and impress girls, I was baffled. I had the same biological urges as the others, and I thought girls were attractive often felt good being around them, but I didn't see why the guys I knew thought it was worth going to such lengths to get their attention or spend time with them. I still don't. (I had a lot of female friends in school as a result, which was nice- I suppose they enjoyed being able to relax and hang out with a guy who genuinely had no desire to get into their pants.) The things so many people do for sex- sacrifice time, sacrifice money, violate their own moral beliefs, risk disease or disgrace or unwanted pregnancy- are incomprehensible to me.


I used to not understand it either until my husband explained it to me.


I found out lot of women have low sex drives and go through one cycle a month but lot of them have it because their man wants it so they do it for them so that's when they want to have it. But men have five cycles a day so that's why they crave it. If they don't have it, they are depressed and they have to walk with a log between their legs and they end up with blue balls. So having sex is like a medicine for them to keep their penis soft and their blue balls away. That's why so many of them masturbate when they don't have a woman to have it with. Sadly that's not good enough for my husband. He says it doesn't work for him anymore.

Still in our nature to mate. We carry the babies and men go around and mate with women to make babies but it doesn't work that way anymore. We can now restrain ourselves and choose who to have sex with and women can choose to use birth control and the man can choose to wear a condom. But when people start dating, their mind releases a chemical in their brain and it makes them want to have sex but they can restrain themselves from it knowing it's too soon.

But I still think sex is over rated. But at least I understand now why it's so big in peoples lives. But what I don't understand is why sex is needed in relationships to make it better. Why is all this smooching and touching important in relationships?

I don't even understand why my husband needs to say he loves me or why he needs to hug me or touch me to feel good. He says he restrains himself a lot from doing it so he does some of it "because he needs it" but I don't need that stuff to feel good. I don't understand that relationship stuff. No wonder some aspies avoid them. People are just too needy.



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05 Oct 2009, 8:20 pm

I don't understand why people care about celebrity gossip or fanatic sports fans.



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05 Oct 2009, 10:11 pm

1) Their( most persons ) inability (albeit subconsciously) to make 'choices or decisions' in anything that is divergent from the mainstream ...... is this ignorance /emotive-fear conditioning ?



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05 Oct 2009, 10:38 pm

TB wrote:
i gues saying things in a neutral way is the same as saying them in a negative way.

people are not sure of the meaning when you are neutral so they just decide you meant it in a negative way.

everything you say without at least some tiny signs of smiling on you're face is going to be taken the bad way.


I get that from time to time. Sometimes it's bad enough that they say "I'm just doing my job" (:roll:), and when it's that bad I can't help being annoyed thinking "WTF. I just want to buy these food products already. Cutt the defense drama, please." This happens only when I reply a "hello" with very slight reluctance, lack of energy, or my comfortable nuetral face. What is the deal there? Attention needs? Feedback? :duh: :wall: 'sigh'



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06 Oct 2009, 1:22 am

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I don't understand the NT need to smile for no reason and make small talk for no reason and to ask you how you're doing when they really don't want the real answer.


I think I've figured this out (and it only took me 25 years...). Part of it is a way for people to size each other up and make sure they aren't a threat. Another important reason is that it's an easy (for them) way to connect with people. The connection is the important thing, not the content of what's said.

Also, smiling/making small talk with someone is a way of showing your perception of their social value (or, what you wish them to think is your perception of their social value). Smiling and making small talk is one of the things that are needed to indicate that you think someone has a neutral social value. Not smiling or making small talk in situations where it is expected is an indicator (whether intended or not) that you think the person has a negative social value.


Interesting explanation..
I have painful difficulty with small talk most of the time. I don't understand the need to force conversation when there is nothing worth talking about.
I make some people uncomfortable by not being able to maintain steady banter...So I guess I must make them uncomfortable because they are worried about my perception of their social value?

When I am around a group of people who are chit-chatting in a certain sort of NTish way it makes me uncomfortable because it is an unnatural way for me to interact..attempting to participate..often because I am sorta forced...can be almost mentally painful in a way...