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21 Jan 2010, 3:47 pm

I think that even when complete independence is not possible, increased independence almost certainly is. You may not be able to completely support yourself; but you may be capable of a part-time job and helping to pay some of the family's bills. If you can't do that, you can probably keep the house clean. If you can't do that, you may be able to volunteer somewhere. If you can't do any of that, you can learn to take better care of yourself so your family doesn't have to. "Increased independence" is a common goal for severely mentally ret*d people--the one group I can think of that can truly be said to be incapable of complete independence (if the diagnosis is right). Even people who are at the severe end of severe disability are learning things that make them less dependent on others. If they can be expected to increase in competence and independence, then you better believe it's possible for an Aspie.

This does not mean that you need to beat your head against a brick wall in the belief that all you need to do is "try harder". In most cases, that is not true. Trying is necessary, of course; but in many cases, it also takes a willingness to ask for help and find non-traditional ways of doing things that work for you.


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21 Jan 2010, 11:00 pm

Back to the thread again.

I find that DSM-V brings hope to the PDD-NOS. Finally it seems there will be new criteria for the 'unclassified'...

I hope I can get hold of the new definitive guide of mental disorders in the next few years.

By the way, I am also excited to learn more about Internet Addiction Disorder if this occurs in DSM-V. I wonder what will IAD be like there?


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21 Jan 2010, 11:23 pm

My concern was that I would lose my diagnosis, but I don't mind being autistic. My job network member doesn't think AS and autism are the same.
I think in time after DSM V people will start to view autism as more than LFA/ severe/ unable to communicate type. I mean what about the HFA's out there now. Are they not autistic?
Sorry my reply is a bit late. It was basically for the person that overreacted to AS being merged with autism.


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21 Jan 2010, 11:38 pm

I think it makes a lot more sense getting merged together. The currect diagnostic criteria are for AS and Autistic Disorder are so similar. With autistic disorder it just adds in the communication part and the need to fit at least six.. I think most people diagnosed with AS probably fit or are very close to fitting the current Autistic Disorder criteria as it is listed anyway. I know they have the added text explanations, but a lot of people don't fit into just one or the other perfectly.. So making them separate just doesn't make sense at all to me.
Plus, from what i've read it looks like it's often decided just by whether or not someone had a speech delay. That seems arbitrary, because everyone has different abilities. The people with good verbal abilities are just probably going to talk earlier. It would make just as much sense to divide autistic people into two groups based on which ones are good at math.



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22 Jan 2010, 4:06 am

pensieve wrote:
My concern was that I would lose my diagnosis, but I don't mind being autistic. My job network member doesn't think AS and autism are the same.
I think in time after DSM V people will start to view autism as more than LFA/ severe/ unable to communicate type. I mean what about the HFA's out there now. Are they not autistic?
Sorry my reply is a bit late. It was basically for the person that overreacted to AS being merged with autism.


They are similar, but actually different... under the same umbrella of conditions called 'Autism Spectrum Disorders'. DSM V will classify HFAs as autistic too... Do not just worry about the 'merger'.


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30 Jan 2010, 6:55 am

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Autists; [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMMwG7RrFQ&feature=fvst[/youtube]


I already told you that I have personal experience with people all over the spectrum.

However, if you wanna watch videos, here's one of a girl with AS doing those things that you claimed that aspies don't do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1k8yAbiIA

Also Autism Speaks suck when it comes to portraying autism in the media.


I don't think the company portrays it in a bad way.



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31 Jan 2010, 10:29 pm

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What does Pervasive developmental disorder mean?
Autism Spectrum Disorder.

"Pervasive Developmental Disorder" is the big category that currently includes autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, Rett's, childhood disintegrative disorder, and the "not otherwise specified" category for atypical autism.


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01 Feb 2010, 5:44 am

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Autists; [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMMwG7RrFQ&feature=fvst[/youtube]


I already told you that I have personal experience with people all over the spectrum.

However, if you wanna watch videos, here's one of a girl with AS doing those things that you claimed that aspies don't do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1k8yAbiIA

Also Autism Speaks suck when it comes to portraying autism in the media.


How old is that girl?

If she's around 10, I understand, it's common for bratty 10-year olds to behave like that, I've seen my NT brother behave like it as well.



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01 Feb 2010, 9:33 am

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You don't understand, aspies will get far more handicapped, and they will undoubtedly be viewed as sub-humans.
I'm afraid that Aspies are already disabled--the definition of Asperger's describes a disabling condition. The ones that aren't, are so close to the brink of diagnosis that they are more culturally autistic than anything else--which is important in its own right, naturally, but doesn't determine the best way to diagnose people.

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Aspergers doesn't only improve your voice, but also your theory of mind, you understand jokes, humour, the he-looks-like-(insertnamehere)-jokes; (Hello, (insertnamehere). I'm to smart to have autism, I don't meltdown, I don't rock back and forth, etc.
This is an Asperger's stereotype. I am Aspie and I melt down all the time. I rock back and forth to calm myself. I have prosopagnosia, and a highly unusual sense of humor. Also, "too smart to have autism" is really, really offensive to autistics. There are a great many very, very smart people with classic autism, and a great many people with symptoms identical to Asperger's with the single exception of a low IQ.

All of your criteria to tell apart Asperger's and autism are basically stereotypes. What you're talking about doesn't even apply to actual people diagnosed Asperger's versus diagnosed Autism.


I have to agree with Caliista, there are plenty of people with classic autism who a very intellegent. I too Have meltdowns, rock, I stim a good deal, sometimes I do have trouble with theory of mind and I often have trouble with sarcasm. I too have an unussualy scence of hummor as well. I use a service dog and have some selfcare defficetts. How ever I am also told.

I also statr that I am Shocked that you would actually use autism speaks propaganda that only show worst case and never show the whole picture.

I have seen this video and if you actually watch it you realize some of the things the parents are complaining about or issues they are having are self inflicted.

1 mom fighting the kid to brush his teeth- look at why he might be freaking out. she is using and electric tooth brush! Regular ones feel odd enough did she stop to think the vibrating my be bothering him????

2. "You can't imagine what it is like because you child is having a meltdown because she doesn't want to play on the swings,"- Ok WHY are you trying to FORCE your child to play on the swing? Why not see what SHE wants to do?

3. all the moms complaining they dont have a life anymore- when you have kids autistic or not they ARE your life. Autism complicates it sure but mom still dragged me places. even though iI had meltdowns.
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01 Feb 2010, 11:38 am

A diagnostic manual need categorization.

The last time I saw it the DMS-V will present 4 vectors.

A1) Comunication (language, social interaction, etc..)
A2) Obsessive-Compulsive + Special Interest, etc..

and for further clarify:

B1) Fluid intelligence test (like matrices for example, digit span, etc..)
B2) Self-Help skill test

Merging your DX with DMS-V will be something in line with:
low-function will be with a score of 1-2 in the A category and an intelligence below 70 points
High functioning the same but with an higher intelligence and self-help skill
Asperger will be with a 3 in the A category and an intelligence over 70 IQ.

Actually they are not removing anything in the spectrum they are enlarging it introducing 2 more clusters (subclinical and "normal-variant", now commonly called "broader autistic phenotype) in the A category. And they are adding further information (what if I'm severely impaired in comunication but I have an outstanding IQ? What if I have very mild OCD but I don't talk? etc...)


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01 Feb 2010, 7:34 pm

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Callista wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
You don't understand, aspies will get far more handicapped, and they will undoubtedly be viewed as sub-humans.
I'm afraid that Aspies are already disabled--the definition of Asperger's describes a disabling condition. The ones that aren't, are so close to the brink of diagnosis that they are more culturally autistic than anything else--which is important in its own right, naturally, but doesn't determine the best way to diagnose people.

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Aspergers doesn't only improve your voice, but also your theory of mind, you understand jokes, humour, the he-looks-like-(insertnamehere)-jokes; (Hello, (insertnamehere). I'm to smart to have autism, I don't meltdown, I don't rock back and forth, etc.
This is an Asperger's stereotype. I am Aspie and I melt down all the time. I rock back and forth to calm myself. I have prosopagnosia, and a highly unusual sense of humor. Also, "too smart to have autism" is really, really offensive to autistics. There are a great many very, very smart people with classic autism, and a great many people with symptoms identical to Asperger's with the single exception of a low IQ.

All of your criteria to tell apart Asperger's and autism are basically stereotypes. What you're talking about doesn't even apply to actual people diagnosed Asperger's versus diagnosed Autism.


I have to agree with Caliista, there are plenty of people with classic autism who a very intellegent. I too Have meltdowns, rock, I stim a good deal, sometimes I do have trouble with theory of mind and I often have trouble with sarcasm. I too have an unussualy scence of hummor as well. I use a service dog and have some selfcare defficetts. How ever I am also told.

I also statr that I am Shocked that you would actually use autism speaks propaganda that only show worst case and never show the whole picture.

I have seen this video and if you actually watch it you realize some of the things the parents are complaining about or issues they are having are self inflicted.

1 mom fighting the kid to brush his teeth- look at why he might be freaking out. she is using and electric tooth brush! Regular ones feel odd enough did she stop to think the vibrating my be bothering him????

2. "You can't imagine what it is like because you child is having a meltdown because she doesn't want to play on the swings,"- Ok WHY are you trying to FORCE your child to play on the swing? Why not see what SHE wants to do?

3. all the moms complaining they dont have a life anymore- when you have kids autistic or not they ARE your life. Autism complicates it sure but mom still dragged me places. even though iI had meltdowns.
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Is that your service dog in the photo? So beautiful. It's look like a white German Shepherd. I want a German Shepherd. :(


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01 Feb 2010, 7:45 pm

pensieve wrote:
ASdogGeek wrote:
Callista wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
You don't understand, aspies will get far more handicapped, and they will undoubtedly be viewed as sub-humans.
I'm afraid that Aspies are already disabled--the definition of Asperger's describes a disabling condition. The ones that aren't, are so close to the brink of diagnosis that they are more culturally autistic than anything else--which is important in its own right, naturally, but doesn't determine the best way to diagnose people.

Quote:
Aspergers doesn't only improve your voice, but also your theory of mind, you understand jokes, humour, the he-looks-like-(insertnamehere)-jokes; (Hello, (insertnamehere). I'm to smart to have autism, I don't meltdown, I don't rock back and forth, etc.
This is an Asperger's stereotype. I am Aspie and I melt down all the time. I rock back and forth to calm myself. I have prosopagnosia, and a highly unusual sense of humor. Also, "too smart to have autism" is really, really offensive to autistics. There are a great many very, very smart people with classic autism, and a great many people with symptoms identical to Asperger's with the single exception of a low IQ.

All of your criteria to tell apart Asperger's and autism are basically stereotypes. What you're talking about doesn't even apply to actual people diagnosed Asperger's versus diagnosed Autism.


I have to agree with Caliista, there are plenty of people with classic autism who a very intellegent. I too Have meltdowns, rock, I stim a good deal, sometimes I do have trouble with theory of mind and I often have trouble with sarcasm. I too have an unussualy scence of hummor as well. I use a service dog and have some selfcare defficetts. How ever I am also told.

I also statr that I am Shocked that you would actually use autism speaks propaganda that only show worst case and never show the whole picture.

I have seen this video and if you actually watch it you realize some of the things the parents are complaining about or issues they are having are self inflicted.

1 mom fighting the kid to brush his teeth- look at why he might be freaking out. she is using and electric tooth brush! Regular ones feel odd enough did she stop to think the vibrating my be bothering him????

2. "You can't imagine what it is like because you child is having a meltdown because she doesn't want to play on the swings,"- Ok WHY are you trying to FORCE your child to play on the swing? Why not see what SHE wants to do?

3. all the moms complaining they dont have a life anymore- when you have kids autistic or not they ARE your life. Autism complicates it sure but mom still dragged me places. even though iI had meltdowns.
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Is that your service dog in the photo? So beautiful. It's look like a white German Shepherd. I want a German Shepherd. :(


Pensieve Yes to both your questions. She is a white German Shepherd and that is my service dog. Thank you and I agree is is beuatyful :) I love the German Shepherd breed. Why not get one? There are plenty of good breeders and good dogs in shelters. Though if you think you can benifit from a service dog I know an organization that train Adult autism service dogs, and they actually train German Shepherds! they were so hard to find but they are VERY good.



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01 Feb 2010, 8:01 pm

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Pensieve Yes to both your questions. She is a white German Shepherd and that is my service dog. Thank you and I agree is is beuatyful :) I love the German Shepherd breed. Why not get one? There are plenty of good breeders and good dogs in shelters. Though if you think you can benifit from a service dog I know an organization that train Adult autism service dogs, and they actually train German Shepherds! they were so hard to find but they are VERY good.

I'm not allowed to get a dog. We had a hyperactive jack russell that always jumped the fence and was quite aggressive. My mum needs to know that not all dogs are like that.
I'm not sure if I can get a service dog. My plan is if I ever find a stray German Shepherd I'll take it home. I'll first check if it has a home to go to though.


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Pensieve Yes to both your questions. She is a white German Shepherd and that is my service dog. Thank you and I agree is is beuatyful :) I love the German Shepherd breed. Why not get one? There are plenty of good breeders and good dogs in shelters. Though if you think you can benifit from a service dog I know an organization that train Adult autism service dogs, and they actually train German Shepherds! they were so hard to find but they are VERY good.

I'm not allowed to get a dog. We had a hyperactive jack russell that always jumped the fence and was quite aggressive. My mum needs to know that not all dogs are like that.
I'm not sure if I can get a service dog. My plan is if I ever find a stray German Shepherd I'll take it home. I'll first check if it has a home to go to though.


That is to bad. Why do you think you wouldn't be able to get a service dog? I like your plan though it is a good one. The good side if you can get a service dog is it will be fully trained and well behaived so you mom's view should change :) Do you have any other pets?



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02 Feb 2010, 12:50 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
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bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Autists; [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMMwG7RrFQ&feature=fvst[/youtube]


I already told you that I have personal experience with people all over the spectrum.

However, if you wanna watch videos, here's one of a girl with AS doing those things that you claimed that aspies don't do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1k8yAbiIA

Also Autism Speaks suck when it comes to portraying autism in the media.


How old is that girl?

If she's around 10, I understand, it's common for bratty 10-year olds to behave like that, I've seen my NT brother behave like it as well.


She's not trying to be bratty and this is not just some tantrum. She's having a meltdown. The mother even said so. You can't deny the obvious flapping and rocking. A non-autistic child that was just being bratty wouldn't do that. From my experience, they would be defiant or actually leave the room or something. She is overwhelmed by her work but really wants to get it finished. This child is expected to be able to finish this work for up to 45 minutes. This girl takes maybe four hours to overcome the anxiety and frustration she has over seeing any kind of mistake or not being able to understand an aspect of the work (according to the mother). I actually still do stuff like that, even in my old age.

Thing is, you can't deny that she's clearly on the autism spectrum and that she's clearly demonstrating typical autistic traits. Aspies flap, rock and roll (yes, my a poor attempt to be funny).



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03 Feb 2010, 7:53 am

MindBlind wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
MindBlind wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Autists; [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMMwG7RrFQ&feature=fvst[/youtube]


I already told you that I have personal experience with people all over the spectrum.

However, if you wanna watch videos, here's one of a girl with AS doing those things that you claimed that aspies don't do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1k8yAbiIA

Also Autism Speaks suck when it comes to portraying autism in the media.


How old is that girl?

If she's around 10, I understand, it's common for bratty 10-year olds to behave like that, I've seen my NT brother behave like it as well.


She's not trying to be bratty and this is not just some tantrum. She's having a meltdown. The mother even said so. You can't deny the obvious flapping and rocking. A non-autistic child that was just being bratty wouldn't do that. From my experience, they would be defiant or actually leave the room or something. She is overwhelmed by her work but really wants to get it finished. This child is expected to be able to finish this work for up to 45 minutes. This girl takes maybe four hours to overcome the anxiety and frustration she has over seeing any kind of mistake or not being able to understand an aspect of the work (according to the mother). I actually still do stuff like that, even in my old age.

Thing is, you can't deny that she's clearly on the autism spectrum and that she's clearly demonstrating typical autistic traits. Aspies flap, rock and roll (yes, my a poor attempt to be funny).


I never rocked or had meltdowns, I didn't scream uncontrollably when I was angry, I just had violent tantrums 1 or 2 times, I can remember slamming a bat into a guys back a few times and rip off a large amount of his hair and drop small rocks on his head from the floor above, but I can't manage to express anger the way the girl in the video does, it's too difficult for me, sure I used to cry when I didn't manage the homework, that's what children like her does, except when it comes to meltdowns like she expressed.