Do you hold animals as equals or higher than humans?

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Agreed. In my eyes, your opinion of animals being equal or higher than humans is the biggest pile of rubbish I have ever heard, however, you do not see me criticising your opinion. Instead you have the nerve to criticise mine despite the fact that you know said opinion would never change. I formerly used to do that, but now I have grown and learnt that arguing with others who are consistent in believing their own thoughts is futile.

I could go on and on arguing the same points, and you really could find no defence other than "It's morally wrong". Well, let me tell you that everything is morally wrong or corrupt in the world. Infact, we should know that - as due to the prejudice and harassment we receive from the uninformed, the "elite", those who are "normal" in today's society, how can you get all fussed up over one person's opinion on animals? Not once did I say your opinion was wrong, I merely disagreed.

In the end, it's a dog-eat-dog world out there - and we all need to look out for ourselves. Although you may disagree, when I think of animals I think "Food/Resources" in the same way that when I think of absolute strangers I think "untrusted/untrustworthy". Again, I repeat, in Medieval times they tried to cure people by boiling puppies until their fur fell off then using the liquid as a medical "oil" of sorts. Not to mention the whole eating of animals... Again...

I'll leave it at that. My opinion is my opinion, and it's not going to change because "someone else thinks it's wrong".

As for your argument, no, an opinion can not be "wrong", however, others can decide for themselves whether they think it is wrong or not. To argue about it being wrong, on the other hand, is a huge waste of time as you will never be able to convince the person that considers the opinion "correct" of your own thoughts that it is "wrong". I, myself, know how others may see the opinion as "wrong", however, I have no plans to change my said opinion. Want an example? Stereotyping - It's not illegal to think about someone badly for whatever reason, but to actually put those thoughts into actions (E.G: Harassment, Assault etc.) is illegal. We have no way to change people's opinions on others unless they change them themselves, therefore, arguing against their opinion is only going to make them defend it to the extremes and get you nowhere.

You coulden't have commented on my opinions on the subject because I haven't presented anything yet (other than commenting on Hallo's post). And why wouldn't I challenge your opinion ("have the nerve"), I see nothing wrong with it.
I'm sorry you see it that way, I believe that even if a person is hell bent on sticking to their opinion there is still some value in confronting that person because you will always learn something even if you don't "win".

I haven't said anything about morale and corruption. That is an concept that is applied to human nature and has nothing to do with animals. It seems to me that your basis for holding animals lower or higher than human beings is based on the wrongful deeds that are displayed by man. I believe that this is a wrongful starting point to base your opinions on.
Non of which you've mentioned applies to animals but just the cruelty and vanity of mankind.
And now I understand that you will and can never hold an animal as an equal or higher because of how you perceive the world. And that is not out of lack of respect or understanding for animals but from the hard conditions that life and the actions of man that you have based this opinion on.

I don't think that an opinion about the equality of animals should be based on a view of mans morals and corruptions, they do not apply to the animal kingdom. Animals are not a uniformed elite with prejudice and harassing natures.
Animals are in a league of their own, and higher than man. That is my opinion.

You may contradict me but you have to do better then dazzle me with bombs, guns and Playstation 3's. I do not see evil natured war contraptions as a sign of superiority. That is just not my scale of value.

This is useless it's a case of affection Vs. invention.

Agree to disagree?

I apologise to have offended. I blame the fact that I am not in the best of moods at the moment (I'm incredibly drowsy and light headed), but that's no excuse.



I apologise again. I skim-read the posts and jumped to conclusions that you were pretty much naturally against all my ideas. For that I am very, very apologetic and guilty.

If you require a reason, this is mainly (in my opinion) because I have spent the past few days questioning myself with various matters - thus, leaving myself very irritable and confused at the moment. I'm finding it difficult to concentrate even as I'm typing and I'm relying fully on Firefox's English Dictionary addon to spot any spelling errors I may make.



In which case, I'll be darned to say I agree. Not to mention, reviewing my argum,ent, most of my points are invalid as a whole... Bah... I feel like I've just caused a huge controversy over nothing and made a huge mockery of myself...

My arguments were based on "We eat animals, therefore, we are higher" - but that only shows man's corruption, and "Animals can't adapt to survive guns, so we are higher" - but that only means animals are helpless...

Plus, in support of animals being higher, animals don't experience the same prejudices as we humans do...

Oh, the shame... Thank you all who tried to show me clarity, but I truely was too stubborn to realise (however, the fact that you called me stubborn only made me want to argue my point more)...



No longer do I need to agree to disagree.

I agree! I haven't loved anyone, except for my mother, as much as I love my cat.

Children have always irrated me.
I remember as young as four never wanting to get married or have children of my own and have never changed my mind at 23. I've always been a misanthrope and have vewied animals higher than humans. Why are people so special? I remember telling my mom that if a person and another person kill/hurt each other on the TV or if an animal kills/hurts a person (nine times out of ten the person had it coming) I fell nothing. But if a person kills an animal I feel bad for the animal. She asked me if I feel anything if the said person is a baby. I said yes but still for the animal because when an animal hurts a person but espicaly a child the animal is going to be killed with no hesitations.

People like Peta are always being told things such as: "with all the innocent children being exploited, aborted and abused, with all the people starving why don't you pull your head out of your ass and fight for a real cause rather than if a cat gets caught in a fanbelt..." and that Peta needs to forget about animals and become a human rights organation. There are already human rights organations and when half the things reported get out the perpertrator gets punished but if they do said thing to an animal people are like, "Oh it's just a dog." I personaly used to hate dogs because they let themselves be abused and don't try to defend themselves but I never saw that as an excuse to mistreat them. I later realised that dogs and all animals are just innocent. Are dogs really "Man's best friend" or are they in reality, "Man's best victim"?

As a child I hated people but as I grew and saw the horrible things they did to animals I grew to loathe them. I was always found of animals. I began to loathe the human race as young as three. I hated how people treated me and would never let me be. When I learned to speak and tried to voice my feelings, I was told that they were wrong and I should have those same feelings for people. Why were people always so important?

When I try to voice how wrong animal testing is I am told it's nesassary. If those same things were done on humans, a person would be veiwed as a phycopath. It seems to be a taboo to suggest death row inmated be used instead even when they themselves inflicted so much pain on others. There is a rodeo in town next week and my brother and sister-in-law (who claims to love animals) are estatiac to see it. Why do people get such a thrill out of watching animals be manhandled? When Steve Irwin was killed I wondered what he did to piss off a stingray. Stingrays are amung the most gentle and peaceful animals if you don't bother them.

I figured he got such high ratings because people get such a high out of watching people manhandle animals. What he did was nothing more than glorified aligator "wrestling" which is considered animal cruelty by many. Captive crocodiles and alagators can be peaceful and friendly if treated with respect. I'm not saying it's wise to go up and hug them but they don't freak out at the sight of a person like Irwin's did. His animals were clearly afraid of him. If I ever went to the Australia Zoo while he were alive, he'd be lucky if I didn't give him a black eye or bloody nose.

I almost beat the piss out of the neighbor kid for beating his dog due to his BS redneck logic (he claimed he was punishing the dog for runing away and when I tried to explain that the dog thought he was being punished for coming home). I regret not socking him. People are always telling me it's not wise to be so overly conserned for animals and that I need to transfer that concern to humans. If someone in real life says that I litteraly tell them to go f**k themselves.

Well, I believe that animals deserve respect and dignity but by no means should they be held above a human being. Maybe it's because I care more about my own species. Like, for instance, if I had to choose between the life of a human child or the life of a, endangered animal, I'd choose the human child in a heartbeat.

I'd feel guilty about the endangered animal, but that guilt could not compare to the guilt that I'd feel if a human child had died.

if it was a kid or a dog about to get hit in the road I would risk my life for the kid, not the dog.

I understand completely holding animals as equals or higher than humans. I agree with it to a point as well. But how many of you, if forced to pick up a gun and shoot a dog or your next door neighbor... would actually choose your neighbor?

I've never been able to love another human as much as I do my lizard.

Ihave held dogs and cats and most animals as equals I always related to them better. However I am against PETA