Why don't people adopt vs having kids.

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ninszot - can you see the issue from a less emotional perspective for a moment? I don't speak for others, but as far as I'm concerned you should do as you think best and I won't be the one to throw the stone at you, but you are demanding that everybody else lives according to your views - there's a name for that.

One thing I don't understand - the "great thinkers" of tomorrow need education and hard work and study if they want to resolve any problems. If women have children in their teens it's just not possible to raise the baby and continue their studies and training. Those here who have academic or intellectual carriers know very well what I'm talking about. It's much more feasible when you're 25-27. Plus, having an education and a profession helps women have more autonomy, a better chance to leave an abusive household or provide for their children in other difficult circumstances. Or maybe all the great thinkers will be men while the women should stay home? I'm not sure what you mean - but I would appreciate if you don't take this personally and cool off a little before answering.

*edited for spelling

I'm totally cool - I'm not the one calling women "broodmares" or reffering to birth in derogatory terms (spewing? really it just doesn't happen that way. Short Biology lesson for XFilesGeek: Babies are born from the birth canal, vomit is spewed from the mouth if you don't understand this much perhaps you are not informed eneugh to enter such a discussion . . . most places this is covered in grade five or six but perhaps you were away that day - or perhaps you are so autistic that the special ed folks were more concerned with your ability to sort cutlery and never thought you'd be a candidate for parenting and didn't need to know.)

I got tired of talking to the ignorant and wanted to move on to something hmm . . . related to adoption.

I'm not the hater here - I celebrate new families and young people choosing what's right for thier bodies. After all we aren't living in the fifties now we have choices and if young women want to have faimilies I think they should be supported, even revered - excuse me for my positive attitude towards birth children and families

As far as study and training goes - in Canada we have daycares in the highschools, off campus classrooms with flexible sceduals for pregnant teens, I even babysat for a woman who started university when her second entered grade school and graduated dentistry when her first was in high school - there are many choices when it comes to education and parenting choices not one right time or one way to finnish school. I support women having choices - and I don't require everybody live according to my views - if you don't agree with women having choices go live under Sharia law - it's a big world out there.

The trend in modern society is to have economic supports in place for families - I think this is good and there should be more of it (pardon my socialist-democratic Canadian cultural perspective - we've been debating a "Mother's Allowance" for the last 20 years which is supported by the Status of Women Canada)

Parents do not "sit around doing nothing but spew babies" - that's just hate and at a certain point there's no point in talking to a hater.

But .... it seems this thread isn't really about promoting adoption options but reather has become about degrading (animalizing) women and promoting a general sexist and hateful attitude towards families as selfish lazy and degenerate.

ninszot, if I didn't know better, I'd think you or someone close to you got pregnant as a teen, was heavily criticized for it, and had to live on welfare and led a generally miserable life. This is why you get so defensive about teen pregnancy and are bold enough to suggest that teenage girls should get pregnant and start a family in spite of multiple evidences that they WON'T make good parents and that the young parents in the family themselves have a tiny, tiny chance of staying together for that long. Last I checked, divorce is anything but a celebration of families, and by encouraging young people to get married whenever they want, you're indirectly contributing to the high rate of divorce we currently have. Does that make you happy, ninszot? Does that?

In any case, a lot of things you've said tell me you're among the people who should never be allowed to reproduce. For the love of God, get your tubes tied already.

See this is the kind of hate I was talking about . . . good thing women get to make choices and it's not up to you - but yes if you are concerned about these issues - as you seem to be you should lead by example and be the first to steralize yourself - take your own advice

and what's this crap about allowed to reproduce - you don't make these choices for other people, it's up to them what they do with thier bodies . . . grow some respect.

BTW I'm not defensive about teen pregnancy, I'm very supportive - and I think they deserve all the support they can get

And I fully support women having the choice to marry or divorce - yes it does make me very happy that we now have these choices - but I see that as a completly seperate issue which should not be lumped in with a womans choice to have a child, abort or adopt . . . both are up to the individual not for you or I to decide

oh, does anybody actually have any information about adoption . . . or is this thread just about slamming mothers and families?