13 Jan 2011, 10:18 am
13 Jan 2011, 12:18 pm
13 Jan 2011, 4:20 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
do not insult our collective intelligence with your bs anymore.
That's pretty rich, considering what preceded it from you, and I think it would have only been polite to let me know in advance that, apparently, you're the arbiter of "our collective intelligence".At least then I would have known who I should have come to, cap in hand and seeking approval, before audaciously giving my opinion in an open forum.
Quote:
Why is it he targeted (..)
It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
I see.
It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
Since you have so many facts on this, maybe you should offer your services to the Police?
I'm sure they'd find it all very useful. I mean, you clearly have all the details and likely Jared would be frying in no time at all - and wouldn't that be lovely?
Or is it all just speculation?
Why lordy me, I do believe it is.
Rather neatly, you've demonstrated exactly the pointlessness of speculation.
But what shocks and disappoints me so much is that here, of all places, people are piling into this guy and dissecting out "facts" about his mental state from, well, absolutely nothing whatever.
That's just sickening.
13 Jan 2011, 4:36 pm
13 Jan 2011, 5:58 pm
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14 Jan 2011, 1:57 am
14 Jan 2011, 5:34 am
14 Jan 2011, 6:42 am
14 Jan 2011, 6:53 am
chewingkebabs wrote:
Amik wrote:
Zen wrote:
What annoys me is that every time some nutcase goes on a shooting spree, the media is all, "He was a loner, quiet, kept to himself, didn't have many friends..."
No wonder we have it rough.
No wonder we have it rough.
That not only annoys me, but makes me mad. Every time somebody goes on a shooting spree the media is quick to list up characteristics that people tend to find a bit out of the ordinary. The media doesn't mention when shooters are extraverted, talkative, social, have lots of friends etc. In this case it even sounds like the description the media gave of the shooter was completely incorrect, but do you hear them correcting it?
People are enough already freaked out about quiet people, loners and people who struggle socially without the media stigmatizing those traits even more by labelling every damn murderer with them and emphasizing this in their coverage.
I also hate when they feel the need to mention whenever a criminal has some mental disorder or even speculate about it on the media when it's completely irrelevant to what the person did. In most cases those disorders have little or nothing to do with the crime committed, but when people constantly hear certain disorders mentioned in relation to murderers and other criminals, they jump to the conclusion that all people with that disorder are potentially dangerous or bad people that they need to stay away from. Aspies, schizophrenics etc. don't commit more crimes than other people, but a lot of people think that they do because the disorders are so often mentioned in the media while they never hear "the murderer had no disorder whatsoever".
I'm an aspie and I'm quiet, have few friends and am pretty much a loner who keeps to myself (I have no choice, because I don't know how to make new friends or keep them). I have on several occasions noticed that some people are scared of me, freaked out or uncomfortable with my quiet loner demeanor. I don't need stuff like this to make things even worse and cause even more ostracization.
Thank you! Exactly my feelings.
And from all the pictures and reports on him, he doesn't fit the profile of an Aspie at all.
THANKS!
Chewingkebabs,
I'm pretty much the same way, as you, also. HECK, that guy tutored a 15yo girl, and she became his girlfriend. She now says, in retrospect, that he had the same convoluted thinking back then. He took it HARD when she broke up with him. And he wanted to argue that 6 should be called 18! They don't sound like aspie charateristics. Apparently his whole family is like that.
14 Jan 2011, 2:50 pm
14 Jan 2011, 8:19 pm
Cornflake wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
do not insult our collective intelligence with your bs anymore.
That's pretty rich, considering what preceded it from you, and I think it would have only been polite to let me know in advance that, apparently, you're the arbiter of "our collective intelligence".At least then I would have known who I should have come to, cap in hand and seeking approval, before audaciously giving my opinion in an open forum.
Quote:
Why is it he targeted (..)
It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
I see.It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
Since you have so many facts on this, maybe you should offer your services to the Police?
I'm sure they'd find it all very useful. I mean, you clearly have all the details and likely Jared would be frying in no time at all - and wouldn't that be lovely?
Or is it all just speculation?
Why lordy me, I do believe it is.
Rather neatly, you've demonstrated exactly the pointlessness of speculation.
But what shocks and disappoints me so much is that here, of all places, people are piling into this guy and dissecting out "facts" about his mental state from, well, absolutely nothing whatever.
That's just sickening.
It's not pointless. I only type it because you won't see any of it in the media. It will just be the same cliches and stereotypes. Loner. Mental Illness. Deranged Killer. Even if there's more to this than such simplicity.
Fact: Jared Lee Loughner was sane enough to rent a hotel room at a Motel Six near his parent's house the night before the shooting spree
Fact: Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by the Arizona wildlife and game police officer approximately 7:30 am the morning of the shooting. He ran a stop light. The police office didn't see a raving lunatic. In fact, he let Loughner go with a warning, not even a ticket, for running a red light. Now, who does that? When people run red lights, they generally get ticketed for it, not warnings.
Doesn't sound the least bit insane to me. In fact, he must have appeared especially nice and innocuous to the cop since he gave the dude a warning. The dude didn't even merit a ticket for running a red light? It's the rare exception, not the rule.
So, you have to put two and two together and if it equals five or seven, it must be incorrect or someone added different numbers.
The collective intelligence deserves better investigative forthrightness.
What's more, I wonder if he was with someone at the Motel Six. If he was, will we ever be privy to it? It will be hard to prove if someone visited once he got the room. There is evidence the key card was used a lot. If someone did visit him, it's not like they are going to come out and say unless the investigators discover it first.
Far from being mentally ill, Loughner does fit the profile of a psychopath.
14 Jan 2011, 9:13 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
do not insult our collective intelligence with your bs anymore.
That's pretty rich, considering what preceded it from you, and I think it would have only been polite to let me know in advance that, apparently, you're the arbiter of "our collective intelligence".At least then I would have known who I should have come to, cap in hand and seeking approval, before audaciously giving my opinion in an open forum.
Quote:
Why is it he targeted (..)
It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
I see.It's so obvious why he chose her.
Not only her, but he went on a shooting spree in a place where the people who voted for her and her staff would be.
He wanted to attack her, (...)
Why is that obvious fact (...)
It was cunning on his part (...)
Since you have so many facts on this, maybe you should offer your services to the Police?
I'm sure they'd find it all very useful. I mean, you clearly have all the details and likely Jared would be frying in no time at all - and wouldn't that be lovely?
Or is it all just speculation?
Why lordy me, I do believe it is.
Rather neatly, you've demonstrated exactly the pointlessness of speculation.
But what shocks and disappoints me so much is that here, of all places, people are piling into this guy and dissecting out "facts" about his mental state from, well, absolutely nothing whatever.
That's just sickening.
It's not pointless. I only type it because you won't see any of it in the media. It will just be the same cliches and stereotypes. Loner. Mental Illness. Deranged Killer. Even if there's more to this than such simplicity.
Fact: Jared Lee Loughner was sane enough to rent a hotel room at a Motel Six near his parent's house the night before the shooting spree
Fact: Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by the Arizona wildlife and game police officer approximately 7:30 am the morning of the shooting. He ran a stop light. The police office didn't see a raving lunatic. In fact, he let Loughner go with a warning, not even a ticket, for running a red light. Now, who does that? When people run red lights, they generally get ticketed for it, not warnings.
Doesn't sound the least bit insane to me. In fact, he must have appeared especially nice and innocuous to the cop since he gave the dude a warning. The dude didn't even merit a ticket for running a red light? It's the rare exception, not the rule.
So, you have to put two and two together and if it equals five or seven, it must be incorrect or someone added different numbers.
The collective intelligence deserves better investigative forthrightness.
What's more, I wonder if he was with someone at the Motel Six. If he was, will we ever be privy to it? It will be hard to prove if someone visited once he got the room. There is evidence the key card was used a lot. If someone did visit him, it's not like they are going to come out and say unless the investigators discover it first.
Far from being mentally ill, Loughner does fit the profile of a psychopath.
Again, I think that you are confusing "insanity" with "stupidity" - you can be "insane" in the sense of having a distorted perception of reality, but have a perfect logical behavior in the context of this distorted perception.
14 Jan 2011, 9:25 pm
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