17 Jan 2011, 11:28 am
Cornflake wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Oh, and I don't appreciate the term "young grasshopper" either.
Sorry, but I did. I thought it was funny and very apt.What kfisherx said makes a whole lot of sense too.
Oh come on now, it was a joke. A kindly, well-meaning joke made from experience.
I used exactly the same phrase on my nephew when he came up with something way out of his depth regarding electronics and having spent some 40-odd years working with it, I knew he was out of his depth.
That joke wasn't directly discriminatory about your (or his) age but like it or not, experience only comes with age.
My dad is much much older than me, but I'm far better than him when it comes to computers, and that isn't some special ability I possess - it's very common for teenagers to be better at technology than adults because we've grown up with it, so the idea that people who are older must know better is absolutely crap.
17 Jan 2011, 12:11 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
My dad is much much older than me, but I'm far better than him when it comes to computers, and that isn't some special ability I possess - it's very common for teenagers to be better at technology than adults because we've grown up with it, so the idea that people who are older must know better is absolutely crap.
There's no must involved here, only "likely" - and in many cases, that's more like "highly likely".
Just remember that it was some of us ol' farts who invented this stuff in the first place.
You've had it handed to you on a plate and now you're claiming ownership of the kitchen too?
Sheesh.
Get a sense of perspective already.
17 Jan 2011, 12:15 pm
Cornflake wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
My dad is much much older than me, but I'm far better than him when it comes to computers, and that isn't some special ability I possess - it's very common for teenagers to be better at technology than adults because we've grown up with it, so the idea that people who are older must know better is absolutely crap.
There's no must involved here, only "likely" - and in many cases, that's more like "highly likely".
Just remember that it was some of us ol' farts who invented this stuff in the first place.
You've had it handed to you on a plate and now you're claiming ownership of the kitchen too?
Sheesh.
Get a sense of perspective already.Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right?
Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.
17 Jan 2011, 2:09 pm
17 Jan 2011, 2:33 pm
17 Jan 2011, 2:46 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right?
Yes and no. Zuckerberg merely built upon the ideas of others. In the same way that they built upon the ideas of others.You see the sequence here? Well no, probably not.
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Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.
No; the fact is that you're making much more of this than actually exists.
17 Jan 2011, 2:47 pm
TallyMan wrote:
Gentle reminder to everyone to keep it civil. No name calling please.
's Ok. Point taken. I was referring to myself as an 'ol fart.
17 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm
Cornflake wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right?
Yes and no. Zuckerberg merely built upon the ideas of others. In the same way that they built upon the ideas of others.You see the sequence here? Well no, probably not.
Well then, the "old farts" you speak of also built off the ideas of others, and the people who did originally invent this stuff did so when they were young.
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Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.
No; the fact is that you're making much more of this than actually exists.Not at all.
Cornflake wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Gentle reminder to everyone to keep it civil. No name calling please.
's Ok. Point taken. I was referring to myself as an 'ol fart.He was referring to a post by the other guy which he deleted because it broke the rules, not your posts calling yourself an old fart.
17 Jan 2011, 3:31 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
Well then, the "old farts" you speak of also built off the ideas of others, and the people who did originally invent this stuff did so when they were young.
You reckon? Define "young".(and you lose 20 points if you simply come up with an age less than 35, because that would show you're missing the point)
Cornflake wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Gentle reminder to everyone to keep it civil. No name calling please.
's Ok. Point taken. I was referring to myself as an 'ol fart.Quote:
He was referring to a post by the other guy which he deleted because it broke the rules, not your posts calling yourself an old fart.
Oh, Ok. I didn't see that post.
Either way, while I'm just poking a bit of fun at hubris (well, not being "young" so therefore apparently past any ability to invent or discover things, and aside from absent-mindedly pottering about in the garden - it's the only fun I have), I get the impression you're getting a bit heated and I really don't want to do that.
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17 Jan 2011, 5:06 pm
Asp-Z wrote:
Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right?
What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.
17 Jan 2011, 6:04 pm
EnglishInvader wrote:
What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.
Facebook is like a dial-up BBS, but with GUI bells & whistles. An old idea with a fresh coat of varnish.
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17 Jan 2011, 7:18 pm
Cornflake wrote:
EnglishInvader wrote:
What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.
Facebook is like a dial-up BBS, but with GUI bells & whistles. An old idea with a fresh coat of varnish.Nah, dial up BBSes could be fun and didn't keep threatening to reveal your private information to everyone at any moment.
The games are very reminiscent of doors, though. I might sign up if they added Trade Wars or Operation: Overkill.
17 Jan 2011, 10:42 pm
18 Jan 2011, 12:04 am
Asp-Z wrote:
Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right?
As if Facebook is the equivalent to curing cancer.
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Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.
Wait, I thought teenagers wanted to be treated as adults. Are you an adult or not? I'm confused.
I wish I could talk to you in 35 years. Especially if I had a record of this conversation.
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18 Jan 2011, 2:46 am
18 Jan 2011, 7:14 am
EnglishInvader wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.
I've come across a number of high level programmers/engineers who feel that the teenagers/students of today are at a disadvantage because they didn't experience the technical revolution that occurred through the late 70s to the mid 90s. These professionals learned their trades on the early home computers (ZX Spectrum, C64, VIC-20) and got the benefit of learning computing at its most basic level without the complications or convenience of the modern PC. It taught them to think about how a computer operates at every level and how every peripheral and accessory can be best utilised; when you have a maximum RAM space of 3583 bytes, you have to make sure every line of program is pulling its weight.
This is the generation that fostered and developed the technology that made it possible for people to become .com millionaires overnight with an idea and a copy of HTML for Dummies.
Yeah, I've had the misfortune of working with some of these bright young things and it's always a struggle to get them to think in any sort of detail. Far too much time gets wasted trying to stuff in the fundamental understanding they lack.
They tend to know all about which button to push but become a fish out of water when the button fails to display.
If there's no GUI available for something then it doesn't get done at all, and the idea of just creating one so something does get done never occurs - let alone looking behind it and simply not using a GUI.
And to them, the art of programming is reduced to little more than pushing a bloated set of pre-packaged building blocks around.
Chip data-sheets? The thing you'd start with when designing the hardware that allows these baubles and bright shiny things to happen at all?
Not a clue. None whatever.
Grasshoppers noisily splashing about in the breakers, thinking they're masters of the ocean?
Most times, yes.
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