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09 Feb 2011, 6:36 pm

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Let's compare nuero-disease to neuro-disease

I direct you to the little quip in the footer of every page, just below the privacy policy link and above the blue hippo thing

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09 Feb 2011, 6:40 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

kfisherx wrote:

Let's compare nuero-disease to neuro-disease

I direct you to the little quip in the footer of every page, just below the privacy policy link and above the blue hippo thing

That "quip" is a personal opinion that is not generally accepted by the scientific-medical establishment.

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09 Feb 2011, 6:43 pm

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

That "quip" is a personal opinion that is not generally accepted by the scientific-medical establishment.

Would you care to enlighten me with some reference material?

I would say that beyond a personal opinion, the owner and developer of this website chose to place it on every single page so it qualifies as a guiding philosophy for this community. I'm not "diseased" thank you very much

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09 Feb 2011, 6:54 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

That "quip" is a personal opinion that is not generally accepted by the scientific-medical establishment.

Would you care to enlighten me with some reference material?

Follow these links and notice how the word "disease" is used to describe ASD.

[Autism spectrum disorders--recent advances in the research on the impairment in social communication]
Autism Spectrum Disorders

ASD's are commonly referred to as diseases in the medical literature.

This is not surprising as according to this definition, AS clearly fits the bill:

The medical definition of a disease

disease
Also found in: Dictionary/thesaurus, Legal, Acronyms, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia, Hutchinson 0.01 sec.
disease /dis·ease/ (dĭ-zēz´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.]

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09 Feb 2011, 6:55 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

That "quip" is a personal opinion that is not generally accepted by the scientific-medical establishment.

Would you care to enlighten me with some reference material?

Even without addressing disorder versus disease. I am specifically speaking of severe autism NOT Aspergers.

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09 Feb 2011, 6:59 pm

My original post on the subject was light-hearted as evidenced by my cunning use of an emoticon.

Instead of threadjacking this into a third topic, let's go back to the second one as it has gained the most traction thus far

The "disease" subject has been done to death on many, many, many other threads.

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09 Feb 2011, 7:06 pm

kfisherx wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

That "quip" is a personal opinion that is not generally accepted by the scientific-medical establishment.

Would you care to enlighten me with some reference material?

Even without addressing disorder versus disease. I am specifically speaking of severe autism NOT Aspergers.

So you are actually speaking about learning disability. Autism as of itself is not a learning disability.

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09 Feb 2011, 8:07 pm

I wonder if most people with severe autism wish they were never born?

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09 Feb 2011, 8:15 pm

wblastyn wrote:

I wonder if most people with severe autism wish they were never born?

I linked one woman's perspective a bit upthread.

Said woman does not accept functioning labels as valid, but would be described by others (not me, I agree with her) as severely autistic.

Well, unless they want to argue that severe autism means no communication whatsoever, which is a frequently made argument, but not at all valid.

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09 Feb 2011, 9:34 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

My original post on the subject was light-hearted as evidenced by my cunning use of an emoticon.

Instead of threadjacking this into a third topic, let's go back to the second one as it has gained the most traction thus far

Crap.... Totally missed the emoticon. Dang it! I obviously don't look at things that look like faces either.

Sorry brah...

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09 Feb 2011, 9:40 pm

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...I do not see it as a black and white issue because I do not see one solution as being workable. I do not think that reproductive freedom is something that should be reserved for people who aren't autistic, or have ADHD, or have bipolar disorder, or any other disability. I am more concerned that there be supports - guaranteed medical care and social supports, among other things - in place so that disabled people can live as they need, which may also include their own choices to have families.

This is where I stand on this, I'm not here to call anyone out.

Much respect for your point of view... Questions RE the services/supports that you reference and are also concerned about. Where do these come from? Who funds these? To what end?

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09 Feb 2011, 9:53 pm

kfisherx wrote:

Dang it! I obviously don't look at things that look like faces either.

Made my night :lol:

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09 Feb 2011, 9:53 pm

Verdandi wrote:

I am more concerned that there be supports - guaranteed medical care and social supports, among other things - in place so that disabled people can live as they need, which may also include their own choices to have families.

What I am about to say may offend some, but I don't care.

If someone is so disabled by a genetic condition that they depend on the charity of others, then it is incredibly selfish and IMO evil to inflict that kind of dependency on someone else by having children with the same genetic defect. Both the parent and the child are at the mercy of an unsustainable and collapsing welfare state that is unlikely to be in place over the course of the next few decades.

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09 Feb 2011, 9:55 pm

My Dad has Asperger Syndrome and I got it from him, and my brother is Autistic.

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09 Feb 2011, 10:15 pm

kfisherx wrote:

Much respect for your point of view... Questions RE the services/supports that you reference and are also concerned about. Where do these come from? Who funds these? To what end?

The state funds them, or should. Unfortunately, on both the state and Federal level in the US, the thought of appropriate taxation is so abhorrent to many that funding for necessary programs is whittled away instead. The entire system is flawed, but the problem is not with the people who need help.

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If someone is so disabled by a genetic condition that they depend on the charity of others, then it is incredibly selfish and IMO evil to inflict that kind of dependency on someone else by having children with the same genetic defect. Both the parent and the child are at the mercy of an unsustainable and collapsing welfare state that is unlikely to be in place over the course of the next few decades.

"Evil" is a senselessly emotive argument. It's a good way to polarize a discussion, but semantically meaningless. Everyone goes for the moral condemnation to buttress flawed arguments, you know?

The state is not unsustainable because of welfare, but because of a gross lack of oversight and regulation in the financial markets. The fact that the cost of living continues to increase rapidly while income, minimum wage, and benefits are all kept at a fairly restricted level actually harms the economy, since people are getting less and less money relative to inflation to stimulate that economy. The end result is the contraction and eventual collapse of the middle class. Throw in a complete unwillingness to tax people who make more money than anyone will ever need in a hundred lifetimes while those same people hoard more and more of the wealth, and you have a definite recipe for economic collapse. And that's simply ignoring the other problems that are becoming more urgent (and are also largely ignored).

People who are not able to support themselves are not even the least of our problems. They're not even on the radar.

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09 Feb 2011, 10:17 pm

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Yeah. It's evil to have kids that will depend on other people. I should make sure I don't reproduce, since my offspring will require other people to grow their food, make their clothes, teach them many things, maintain the roads on which they drive or the sidewalks on which they walk... and even, if they are so unlucky as to be extraverts, to spend hours every day entertaining them.

Welfare is the absolute WORST way to attend to people's needs, possibly worse than leaving them to starve. That doesn't mean the disabled have no place in society.

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