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21 May 2011, 1:43 am

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As you're in Australia your main option will be heavily-carbonated beers like pale lagers or perhaps Tooheys Old. I know that there are a couple of very good microbreweries in Australia but they're few and far between.

British real ale is much less carbonated and, therefore, much easier to drink. It's true that the vast majority of people who go to British pubs want to drink in volume - so they'd rather have four pints at 4% than three pints at 5.3%, even though the effect is essentially the same if you're a bit slower drinking it.

The other point with beer is that beer isn't necessarily just of the 4-6% variety; the reality is that beer encompasses a huge range of styles and strengths. Alcohol strengths range from 0% to 55.7%, although beers much over 10% are a bit of a rarity and are usually limited to craft beer movements. When I have a bottle of my 18.2% imperial stout I only want one 330ml bottle, which is about the equivalent of two and a half pints of 4.2% beer.


Ahh I see you care about the taste and quality of the beer.

All of the alcohol tastes too bitter or burning to me (with the exception of "alcopops" which I was fond of), so I only drank to get drunk. Beer is too low in alcohol %age, yes I've read of "Doppelbock" or some sort of German beer that was around 15%, but I couldn't find that in my local bottle store.

When I wanted to get drunk, I'd buy a cleanskin bottle of wine. In the past, I was very delighted to find a bottle of Port and Cream Sherry being sold at a supermarket called Aldi, both for $5/bottle and 18%! !! It was the strongest and cheapest alcohol I could find, because anything above that (Liquers and Spirits) became much more expensive due to the heavier tax on it :o



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21 May 2011, 1:50 am

Port with 18% alcohol. That's gotta mess you up. However I have almost downed a full bottle of Jager and that was at a very high percentage.
Alcopops are nasty. By that I mean sweet and very headache inducing.

I only drink beer these days unless while drunk someone offers me a drink of something else. I'm not really supposed to drink too much for health reasons but sometimes I er forget.

I drink to lessen the social tension or when very depressed, which isn't good.


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21 May 2011, 1:51 am

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Ahh I see you care about the taste and quality of the beer.

All of the alcohol tastes too bitter or burning to me (with the exception of "alcopops" which I was fond of), so I only drank to get drunk.


Alcopops! The drink of choice for chavettes here. ;)

The mark of a truly excellent beer is one that has a high ABV but manages to hide its strength well. Tennent's Super fails on that score; Samuel Smiths Imperial Stout doesn't. For example.

There are German bocks that are high in ABV, though it depends what you'd be after. More often than not, the problem with high ABV beers is that they tend to be sickly-sweet with a bit alcohol kick to them which makes them not that appealing. Some double IPAs go the other way though, with an intense and lasting bitterness.



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21 May 2011, 1:54 am

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Port with 18% alcohol. That's gotta mess you up.


With beers like BrewDog Tokyo* (18.2%) you're not supposed to shove it down your neck - it's meant to last a while. But then people who drink that sort of product are paying handsomely for it anyway. Having said that, even the likes of Buckfast isn't cheap.

I suppose someone who wanted to get sloshed would just buy some cheap and nasty whisky or vodka.



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21 May 2011, 6:39 am

I am not an alcoholic, but I was close to being one once. Nowadays I definitely need alcohol to survive in social settings. If I go out I drink, and I drink a lot quickly to get over my awkwardness.


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21 May 2011, 7:21 am

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IMO, alcohol and Aspergers do not mix. We Aspies tend to isolate and if an Aspy drinks, they tend to drink by themselves which is not good. Also when alcohol is used to escape lonliness, isolation, boredom, it can develop into a habit very easily. That is how I used it. When I was younger (I am now 55), I thought I was bullet-proof and alcoholism wouldn't happen to me, it just happened to weaker people. I was wrong.


People with Aspergers have impulsive and obsessive behaviours: they are prone to getting addicted easier than Non-Aspergers. Aspergers are prone to alcoholism and drug addiction. Plenty of junkies and alcoholics have Aspergers or develop Aspergers.

Loneliness, boredom and isolation: drinking and taking drugs to get drunk and/or high. There are plenty of junkies and alcoholics who have Aspergers.

Anyway it is your choice whether you want to be an alcoholic and/or junkie. It is your life and you live life how you want to live.



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21 May 2011, 1:24 pm

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If a 'beer' is a beer at 4.2% is at 355ml size, it would probably take me more like ten beers to get properly done.


Yes indeed, I should mention I'm a mere 140lbs, body weight is always a factor in the quantity of alcohol required for intoxication. It does not take much to get me 'drunk' in general, especially since I only used to go long periods of sobriety in between. I have always drank "tallboy" cans - 16 oz, 500ml. It takes about 3-4 of these to reach the decent 'drunk' level as 4-4.2% alc/vol. I don't like to go past a certain point, as the hangover is not worth it, and my body begins to reject the presence of alcohol entirely. At 5-6 beers, I get the drunk munchies, and then the epic vomiting.



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21 May 2011, 1:33 pm

Drinking definitely helps overcome social anxiety. However, it makes me extremely obnoxious.



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21 May 2011, 4:25 pm

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Drinking definitely helps overcome social anxiety.


The main reason I drink :-(

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Alcopops! The drink of choice for chavettes here.


I started on the alcopops when I was fourteen! The worst things to have ever been invented, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the 'alcopops advertisments' singlehandedly turned half the teenage population into the 'binge drinkers of Britain'. :twisted:

I think I may have been one of the few to actually break out of the cycle and discover 'real' alcohol - red wine, in my case. It totally baffles me now when a thirty year old orders a 'Barcardi Breezer' with her lunch. I'm like 'WTF?' 8O :lol:



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21 May 2011, 5:44 pm

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I think I may have been one of the few to actually break out of the cycle and discover 'real' alcohol - red wine, in my case. It totally baffles me now when a thirty year old orders a 'Barcardi Breezer' with her lunch. I'm like 'WTF?' 8O :lol:


Oh, that's what you mean by alcopops! Wow, people actually buy those for themselves? I thought the target market was 22 year old males who still date high school girls.

Also, if the 30 year old gets her order filled, you need to find a better place to eat lunch. :lol:



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21 May 2011, 8:17 pm

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I am not an alcoholic, but I was close to being one once.


Can you define what you mean by that? An alcoholic is someone who is dependent on alcohol, but the problem is that the term is being broadened to stigmatise people who are just ordinary drinkers rather than those with a serious, disabling problem with alcohol. A lot of people have alcoholic problems but most people just drink too much for them and then regret it later. I know; I do it!

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Yes indeed, I should mention I'm a mere 140lbs, body weight is always a factor in the quantity of alcohol required for intoxication. It does not take much to get me 'drunk' in general, especially since I only used to go long periods of sobriety in between. I have always drank "tallboy" cans - 16 oz, 500ml. It takes about 3-4 of these to reach the decent 'drunk' level as 4-4.2% alc/vol. I don't like to go past a certain point, as the hangover is not worth it, and my body begins to reject the presence of alcohol entirely. At 5-6 beers, I get the drunk munchies, and then the epic vomiting.


Your problem might not be the alcohol, but the carbonation. I generally drink less when I'm drinking pale lager due to the gassiness involved.

Interesting. It would take a lot for me if I was drinking real ale for my body to reject it entirely. I drank five pints of a 4% ale today and I didn't feel sick or anything. I was just intoxicated and needed to go home. It doesn't help by that stage I'm talking all kinds of contradictory and stupid crap.

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Drinking definitely helps overcome social anxiety. However, it makes me extremely obnoxious.


I'm told this by other people too, though I do think a lot of the time they're reading into things that I didn't intend, and can't rectify because they won't discuss it with me. It's like I can't rectify what was said and they come away with a bad impression of me.

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Mine is depression. I suspect a lot of people with ASDs are like that, although I do also like the taste. I want to be loved and I don't see any options on the horizon. Loneliness is a terrible thing but it's not good when you feel that you can't find anyone to relate to.

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I started on the alcopops when I was fourteen! The worst things to have ever been invented, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the 'alcopops advertisments' singlehandedly turned half the teenage population into the 'binge drinkers of Britain'.


People can drink what they like but I personally dislike them. The problem is that, for many teenagers, they'd probably love the Belgian fruit beers that are much better for them but they aren't interested in them and never get to try them. Some pack a punch, too! Or more than alcopops anyway.

Alcopops is generally the drink of immature people.

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Oh, that's what you mean by alcopops! Wow, people actually buy those for themselves?


They're extremely popular amongst younger women in Britain and Ireland.



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21 May 2011, 8:35 pm

I've never had a drink nor have I had any desire to. The closest I've ever been to being "intoxicated" would be nitrogen narcosis, 100 feet under water - an experience I did not enjoy.


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22 May 2011, 5:00 am

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5. Because one likes the taste of the particular drink?.


Well that assumes you've already got past the point where having a drink is perceived to be a necessary part of life.
In my case I was eventually drinking out of boredom rather than the for the taste.

Here in Australia the beers are really bitter, while American beers are quite watery and bubbly. German and Czech beers are quite strong.

When I wasn't consuming Scotch I convinced my self that I was a fan of Belgian or British brews. I also convinced myself that Speckled Hen, MCaffreys, Boddingtons and Newcastle Brown Ale tasted like mother's milk.



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22 May 2011, 5:50 am

I'm a teetotaler. I strongly dislike the taste of alcohol and dislike how it changes people's behaviour. I'd rather be reserved.



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22 May 2011, 8:10 am

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Well that assumes you've already got past the point where having a drink is perceived to be a necessary part of life.


I drink for multiple reasons - that I like it is one of them.

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I also convinced myself that Speckled Hen, MCaffreys, Boddingtons and Newcastle Brown Ale tasted like mother's milk.


Yuck to all of those. I get to drink Old Speckled Hen on cask fairly frequently (it's probably one of the most common cask ales sold in the UK, although the cask version was quite dramatically reduced in strength a few years ago from 5.3% or thereabouts to 4.5% - this had a big effect on the taste) and I avoid them as much as possible in favour of locally-brewed beers.



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22 May 2011, 8:56 am

Alcoholism is rampant in my family, and I've learned the hard way that I can't drink, even in moderation. It ruins me. :drunken:
I feel so much better if I don't even have to think about the stuff.


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