The truth about cannabis

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I guess I don't see how keeping it illegal for people without a prescription helps anything.........putting people in jail or making them pay fines for smoking cannabis does not help anything no matter how you slice it. Sure it might make people think twice, but I don't think its worth it......why should it be illegal for me to use a substance that is safer than alcohol?

Weed is illegal but it's soically acceptable in certain areas where I live but still I think it should be fully legalized. Frist they should start by you can only get weed at a hemp store.

Excuse me? I'm sorry, what?

I did not "blatantly ask" for anything. I certainly did not seek to be accused of being a troll and a liar, both of which are, by the way, against the rules here.



You've accused me of being a troll, and insinuated I am lying (I specifically pointed out that what I posted WERE nothing more than my personal opinions and experiences, and you are specifically stating they are not. Ergo, you are accusing me of lying. An accusation for which you have no evidence or proof, which makes this a totally unfounded personal attack.)

Posting personal opinons and experiences, and making it clear they are no more than that, is allowed here. Just because the opinions I've posted are dissenting does not make me a troll or a liar. It simply means I don't agree with the OP. Just because you don't agree with what I've said does not equate to me being a troll or a liar.

I never made any mention of my IQ. That is your own inference.

I respectfully decline your challenge to an essay. My declination is based mostly on the fact that my opinions are based entirely on personal experience, which no one but me could possibly identify with, and partly on your behavior in the above post, which indicates to me you have no intention of even trying to view anything from my perspective. To debate anyone displaying the attitude you've displayed here would be pointless.



I was not, and I would appreciate you not inserting your own insinuations into the conversation as if they were my own thoughts. I never said any such thing in my post.



As a matter of fact, I DO, which is why I did not "trash" anyone anywhere in my post. I am NOT ignorant at all of medical marijuana use, nor am I against it. Stop inserting your own insinuations into the conversation and implying they are my thoughts. They are not. They are your own assumptions about who I am and what I stand for, and have nothing to do with anything I said here.



Where did I ever say I think no one else should use marijuana? Nowhere. Again, you've inserted your own belief about who I am, based on extrapolated, non existent things I supposedly said.

Never once, as far as I can remember, have I ever told anyone what they should or should not do with marijuana. All I have ever done is to relate my own experiences, and leave it for others to decide. I do not tell people what to do with their lives.

You are completely free to disagree with my opinions, but you are not free to attack me in this way. What you've done here is abusive, and against the rules, and I'm not the only person in this thread you've done this to. I do NOT back down from this kind of behavior. I will NOT be bullied for expressing my opinion. I will not, because I have seen users driven away from Wrong Planet by this kind of behavior, and they don't deserve it. I won't back down from it because, first, I have every bit as much right to be here as anyone does, no matter WHAT my opinions are. Second, it sets a bad example for others when they are bullied. I'd like for everyone to know NO ONE has to put up with abuse.

No more personal attacks please.

Thank you. Carry on.

I agree, cannabis doesn't "make" anyone do anything. Everyone is different, of course, and I'm not saying it's impossible for some to never do anything but cannabis. All I do is relate my own experiences. What I wrote is what I experienced. It is true that everyone I knew that tried cannabis, did move on to harder and stronger drugs. That doesn't mean it's a 100% given that everyone will.

I DO NOT support the theory that cannabis, in and of itself, leads to the desire or need to partake of stronger drugs. But I do support the idea that peer pressure, and association with recreational drug users, together with the fact that cannabis, if used regularly for long periods of time, stops having the desired affect it once had when one first begins using it, can and does lead to users seeking stronger and harder drugs. I did know some who never used cannabis at all, who jumped right into cocaine and other hard drugs either before trying cannabis, or without ever trying it.

When it comes to street drugs, I've never developed any of my opinions from statistical data or studies. I've derived my opinions from personal use and association with others around me doing them too. That's why I never do anything more than relate what I've seen with my own eyes on this topic, and always make it clear they are just my own experiences and opinions drawn from the experiences. Nothing more, nothing less.

Draw your own conclusions. It's up to the reader to decide whether they want to take my experiences into account or not. Go by whatever you want to. Don't take my word for it, or do. It's up to you. I do not tell anyone what to do. If you want to have your own experiences and judge from them (which is exactly what I did), go right ahead.

If you were to directly ask me if I would recommend doing that, I would say no, I wouldn't. But if you're not asking, don't worry about it. I'm not judging anyone either way.

I don't really get the peer pressure thing because I have never had anyone try to pressure me into doing any drugs......like with the alcohol I was asked if I wanted to drink and I wanted to try it so I did, I could have said no if I wanted but I didn't want to say no. I mean maybe there are people who try to push drugs on people but too me it seems like something that people are told to watch out for but yet I have not personally experianced any peer pressure. Then again peer pressure can be a little tricky like one could argue yesterday when I told my sister me and her have to go drink at this certain bar(she just turned 21) that it was peer pressure......but she already drinks and if she really did not want to I would be cool with that.

But yeah nothing wrong with forming opinions based on your experiances.......also I can see how building tolerance to something might convince someone they 'need' something stonger usually I just go a day or two without smoking to lower my tolerance I don't go look for vicodin or oxy's...but I am sure that is how some cannabis users might react.

When I first started with pot, I went looking for it. I wanted to try it. Nobody pressured me into it, or the harder drugs. I went looking for those on my own too, once the pot stopped doing much more me. I never actually experienced peer pressure until I decided to quit. That's when my "buddies" started in with, "Awe, c'mon! Just one toke, don't be a wussy."

I think now that it came from the perception that if I wasn't doing it, I must be judging them somehow. Well I didn't judge them at all, until they started pushing me to keep doing it, disrespecting my decision to quit and my right to decide how to live my own freaking life. Put a pretty sour taste in my mouth, but I do still know a few people here and there that do smoke pot. I'm in a different city now, so these people aren't the crowd I hung with when I was smoking myself. I don't hold it against them, but I do have kids now, so no one is allowed to do it in my home, and I don't want to be around it. These people respect that, so I respect them in return.

But I'll even tell them I don't agree with their support of the drug, and do dismiss their opinions in part because they are the opinions of users, and I don't trust users opinions about it for reasons I already mentioned. They KNOW this, and yet they still respect me, and I them. It's no big deal as long as it's not pushed in my face.

Number2, you're an awesome person with a good head on his shoulders. I see NO REASON why marijuana should be illegal. It's harmless, useful, and could make life better for everybody. The reason why its illegal is because of big pharma and other corporations who don't want to lose money. Just goes to show, the governments are just puppets, the rich pull the strings really.

I think its peachy. And it helps with my OCD and social anxiety.

Get your story straight already, and I'm glad your no longer addicted to drugs now that you have children.

you know maybe pot and all those gateway drugs did you mess you up, I can see where you get that now.

I was already finished, so thank you.

ps: I'm Sorry that Truth is scary and Sorry that you had accidentally pissed me off, I can be quite annoying, Mr xXx

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
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Although this may seem a paradox, all exact science is dominated by the idea of approximation. When a man tells you that he knows the exact truth about anything, you are safe in infering that he is an inexact man. Every careful measurement in science is always given with the probable error... every observer admits that he is likely wrong, and knows about how much wrong he is likely to be.
— Bertrand Russell

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Namaste,

It is harmless - not for everyone, including me. It causes severe pyschosis when I use it.
It is useful - not for everyone, including me.
It could make life better for everyone - not everyone. It sends me into a completely hellish mental state. I would rather sleep on a bed of chicken poo than smoke a joint.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of legalising pot, but I really think it doesn't agree with everyone. If we were talking about any other substance, we wouldn't have these claims of total harmlessness and beneficence. It's just that people seem to like making these claims about cannabis, when they're demonstrably not true.

It does a lot of good things for a lot of people, but I guess I feel inhuman because I've had bad reactions to it every time. My brain must be very atypical.

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notice how the thc crystals look like mushrooms

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I get sensory over loads sometimes when smoking weed. Specifically the first time I've tried it. It only does that if you are not used to it or haven't smoked weed in a long time.
Though the 5 day hangover you had, you must of have had a cold or something.
Not true people, move along, move along.

close up THC looks so cool.

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No idea what you mean by this. My "story" is derived from my experiences, which I remember fairly accurately. What, exactly, do you think is "not straight" about it?




Thank you. So am I. I was actually very happy with my decision long before I had children. I would have stopped regardless of parenthood. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I did.



No maybe about it. They did. I appreciate your at least trying to take my perspective into account. That was the point.

"This is my experience and what I learned from it. Do with it what you will."



Not sure what you mean by "finished." Finished with what? And I don't know what I'm being thanked for.



The truth is never scary to me. Ever. The truth just "is." BUT, I do not simply accept what others tell me is the truth. I dig for it on my own, learn what it is trough experiences, and draw my own conclusions from what I find.

As do we all.



This is known as a "backhanded apology."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... %20apology

If I offended you in some way, I apologize. That is a sincere apology from me to you. If I had said, "I'm sorry that you chose to be offended by what I said," that would not be sincere, because it puts the blame on you for being offended. The way you worded your apology puts the blame on me for your being offended.

"I'm sorry I got pissed off" is sincere. Apologies are about accepting responsibility. They're not about putting the blame on the person you're supposedly apologizing to.

But I don't want to focus too much on how it appears. I'd much rather believe that you actually meant it sincerely, but chose an unfortunate way to put it, and hope that I'm right.

If you feel I offended you somehow, please explain to me exactly how I did so, because I don't understand. If you help me understand how I offended you, that should help me understand how to avoid doing so in the future.

I am sincere about this. Sincere enough to take a stab at which part of what I said that might have offended you. Was it the part about not trusting drug induced minds? If not, then help me out here. Explain please.

In the meantime, in case that is it, I'll try to see if there's a better, less offensive way to put it.



I'll admit that might sound like I'm telling others how to think, but that was not the intention. It is a mantra, of sorts, that I live by. I personally don't trust what users say about drugs. If you don't agree with that, it's fine by me. It's been my experience though, that most people who speak positively about street drugs, are users who claim they can "quit any time I want" but never do. Users under the influence of the very drugs they claim are not harmful. Street drugs affect thinking. I've known very few people who continue to use street drugs, that do not have positive things to say about them. I've known very few people who have used them and quit, that have anything positive to say about them. Are there some exceptions? Of course there are. But the exceptions are far outnumbered by the rule.

Am I supposed to ignore that based on scientific studies? Science may discount anecdotal evidence, but I don't. Anecdotal accounts may not be able to be proven scientifically, but when you hear so much from so many people, and consider the sources, and a crystal clear pattern emerges, I think it's pretty stupid for me to ignore that.

Maybe I could have reworded the thought so as not to appear as matter-of-fact as it did. "I don't personally trust what users say about drugs," may have been a better way to put it. I thought the inclusion of "I've heard and used these arguments and save but a few of them, most of them are just not true in my universe," made it clear that I've seen, heard and used myself every argument the OP posted, and based on my own personal experiences have changed my mind about most of them. The point I was making is that I understand the logic behind the reasoning, because I've thought the same things myself, but that now I see gaps in that (at one time my own) logic.

Now I don't know if this is any better than the way I put it originally, but it's the best I can do. One other thing I have learned through experience is that street drug users are frequently offended by any negative talk about drugs. Just as alcoholics are usually offended by any mention that they may have a problem. Not much anyone can do about that. It's not usually until the users or drinkers finally admit there's a problem that they finally become agreeable, quit, and see the fallacies of the arguments they subscribed to while using. That is a well known, well established pattern. Ask ANY current or reformed addict or alcoholic. You'll see the pattern for yourself. Ask ANY rehab counselor. I guarantee you they'll confirm it.

You made some arguments the second time you quoted me in relation to medical use of cannabis and other drugs. I gave you a response to that a few posts up, but that part of the conversation is kind of beside the point of this thread. The thread is about supposed myths about cannabis. Not about medical use. I never addressed medical use. I do not condemn medical use.

The ONLY supposed myth I addressed was that cannabis leads to other drugs. I believe it does. I've seen it happen. The arguments I've seen against this supposed myth hold no water for me. One argument is that there is nothing in the chemicals contained in cannabis that causes people to need or want stronger drugs. The argument is just plain silly. The statement "cannabis leads to harder drugs," isn't about the chemistry. It's about the psychological and social realities of street drug culture. If you smoke pot, you are far more likely to be exposed to other drugs, peer pressure to try them, and, over time as the pot effect becomes less intense (which almost any long term pot user can verify), the desire to try something stronger because you're no longer getting what you want from pot alone.

How do I know? Because I've BEEN there. So has just about every other user out there. I don't just go by my own experiences. I also go by what users and former users have shared with me. The stories we all share are amazingly consistent.

(BTW: I have no idea if you use cannabis yourself, nor does it really matter to me. I wasn't "mocking" anyone's truth either. Not yours, nor anyone else's. Simply stating my own truth is not mocking. Do yourself a favor and don't infer things that aren't specifically stated. It'll go a long way to helping prevent yourself from getting unnecessarily pissed off.)



So can I. Never purposefully, but I can. I don't have any problem admitting that, or apologizing for it whenever I'm made aware of it.



Can't argue with that, but I've no idea what it has to do with the conversation.



And? What's your point in bringing this into the conversation? I'm not arguing with science anywhere in this thread. Again, I did nothing but relate experience. Nothing I've said has anything to do with science. One does not need science to form opinions and reach personal conclusions. Science is a good tool, but it is not the only source of wisdom.

"Experience is the best teacher." ~ Author unknown



Again. No clue what your point is.



And again. What is your point? That there are a lot of toxins in the world? What does that have to do with the conversation? I agree, there are a lot of toxins in the world. It's a sad fact, and a ridiculous state of affairs, but what does it have to do with cannabis myths?



Parhain terveisin.

Sex and drugs and rock and roll

its fun when your young with few responsibilities.

For me as an aspie, I have met so many other neurodiverse others through music and cannabis and surfing....

If I had not gone near weed, and stayed in the washing machine manufacturing plant ( I kid you not) where I started my adult life... my Dad worked there for 25 years.... I may have never surfed, got married then divorced maybe, who knows what a different life I would have had!!

Its kind of a microcosm for a bigger picture...... being a stoner or not.

Don Juan said that power plants are only to crack the psyche open to enable 'seeing', and overuse has no real benefit and may be harmful. Choosing to raise a family does not necessarily exclude the odd toke, but daily use becomes inconsiderate.

I'm currently stoned 7am.... having Monday morning breakfast in a big noisy cafe. I'm looking at a lot of humanity right now. Everyone is cracking into espresso coffee.... but one thing for certain is the animalistic butt sniffing/perve down/in public is toned down by being stoned

Stoners in society are kinda like The Dude in The Big Lebowski.... taking the blame for all the sinners out there....

is that an eastern thing?

Stoning and breeding are not compatible, but they are not mutually exclusive

Instead of smoking a joint, how about making a nice shirt from the fibers? That's making your life better, and trendy cool.