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I guess that's the thing I don't understand about people who don't want to socialize healthcare. Having a healthy, strong workforce seems like it benefits business owners more than the poor. I lost so much worker productivity to illness as a manager. It prevented our company from growing, because we constantly had people who had to quit to get a major health issue taken care of, constantly had to retrain newbs.

Oo look, I started a flame war. I'm so proud of myself.

Anyway, I'm with Verandi. Most of the people I know are fricken' rich, and they aren't any more intelligent or hard working than anyone else. Also, look at some of the research done by Jared Diamond on selection of traits between New Guinea and Europe. New Guinea selects for intelligence, while Europe for disease resistance, and now let's look at how the two regions fare economically.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how much people simply do not understand what a necessity health care is until they need it and can't get it, or they can get it but the bills leave them impoverished.



Is that a flame war? Where are the flames?

I'm serious, I haven't wanted to flame anyone, as much as I disagree.

Oh wait, crap, it isn't a flame war, it's just a tangental argument that has been going on for far too long. Someone bring out the personal insults already!

Gonondox, you are provoking people. You, sir, are not alright!

No sir, I am not alright.

Oh, good. For a moment there I was worried I'd said something I didn't want to say. I didn't think swbluto had said anything insulting either.

Well, implying that people are alien on a site full of aliens isn't very nice...

Also, I understood your point about executive dysfunction; my point is, that doesn't matter to employers. If you're not productive enough to meet minimum expectations, what they call you or think of you and whether or not it's technically accurate (Such as "lazy") is the least bit relevant. The fact is, you're not productive enough.

And, you suspect I don't relate to it? Oh yes, I relate to it -- you wouldn't imagine how much I've decried my seeming inability to be as productive as my peers when cognitive testing seemed to suggest that I should've been able to, but as much as it's personally affected me, I can totally understand the employer's viewpoint and people like 'us' are considered lazy. Do you wonder why I started my own company? Partially, it's because I knew that no matter how hard I worked, my reward working for someone else would be far more dependent on how "hard working" I appeared to be, and so I would likely never be adequately compensated for my 'actual output'. (That is, some employees effectively schmooze for 6 hours a day and get 2 hours work of done, whereas I would schmooze for 1 hour a day, and get 7 hours of work of done, which was equivalent to them getting 4 hours of work done. Even though my output was higher, the fact I seem to be getting less work done because I'm slower would always unfairly hold me back.)

This is great, thanks for posting this. I have been in denial about my ADHD for years so I am not familiar with Dr. Barkley. But wow he describes everything exactly like I experience it.

When I heard people talk about "test tube babies," I assumed that somehow said babies were created in a test tube, only to find out later that it was referring to children born from in vitro fertilization.

Oh wait, so "test tube babies" actually refers to something that exists? I thought it was an idea associated with hypothetical, futuristic scenarios like Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" where babies are actually created with specifically chosen genes and grown in a lab. xD

Btw, according to a google search,



So they literally get conceived inside a "test tube".

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I think people still think that, sometimes. People seem to think cloning a human would involve some kind of humongous copy machine too and not the reality that a human, who would be an identical twin to the donor of a different generation, is conceived by in vitro fertilization and born like any other human, as a helpless infant.

Interesting! I didn't know the creation process even really fully started in one.

Way too true! I've made the same mistake too, since learning when they ask a question like that, they want you to tell them what they want to hear.

When I was quite young, maybe 6 or so, my father and I were driving along a rural highway and came across a driver who had just struck a deer. My father pulled over and helped the guy drag the deer off of the road. When he got back in the car, I asked if it was a buck or a doe. He indicated that it was a doe. I asked him how he could tell, thinking that bucks lose their antlers and that they might be difficult to distinguish from does in that case. He replied, "I looked between its legs and it said doe."

For a long time, I thought that the word "doe" was somehow written in there somewhere.

Well, this has certainly been an enlightening thread. There is no foliage in a beer garden. Turning the tables does not mean upside-down. Hmmm. Guess I still have a lot to learn.

There are many things I know the meaning of but that I won't say, because it makes me uneasy. If I want something a lot, I won't say, "I'd give my right arm for it." If I'm offered something I like, I won't sarcastically say, "Okay, go a head, twist my arm." I'll sometimes make up my own metaphors and things, but some stuff just makes me too uncomfortable.