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03 Jan 2012, 7:16 pm

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Yeah. I've read that blog, too. It's really quite amazing, how much she managed to do with only a brainstem. Even that little bit let her respond to her mother at a basic level--respond to touch, suck on a bottle, calm when held. I don't think she was conscious; but it seems clear to me that she was human, and that's enough.

If I were pregnant and the child had anencephaly, I think I'd do the same this mom did--carry the baby to term, spend as much time with the child as I could, even if it was only minutes or hours. It seems cruel to deprive a child with such a severe disability of the short lifetime that the child could have had. It feels like taking a man's last loaf of bread because he'll just starve anyway after he eats it. I mean, yeah, it's true; the child is going to die; without a brain nobody can live long. But we're all going to die. Just because an anencephalic infant dies much sooner than everybody else doesn't mean that there's no value in the life that's possible. If my child were going to die, I would want him to be warm and safe and loved for however long he had. Abortion would mean throwing away some of that precious time; and I just couldn't do that. When life is so fragile and short, my impulse is to protect it--to make every moment count.

This is your maternal instinct talking, - someone without a brain doesn't share your sentiments here, they don't value their life, they do not feel loved or care about anything, you might as well coddle a syntethic baby, they're both equally close to the real deal.

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03 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

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You discovered it would be Neurotypical?

Now they know how it feels.

I was with diagnosed Aspergers a few months ago. A couple of days ago in the supermarket, just by chance, I overheard two women speaking about aspergers:

"If you were preganant with an Asperger, would you abort it?"
"Oh yes, I wouldn't want to blah blah blah,"

Why are Neurotypicals so ignorant and intollerant?
Has anything similar ever happened to you?

I'm sure someone else has said this on the several pages that this thread has gone on, but not all NTs feel like that. I'm NT and my partner has Aspergers. We know the chance we may have to have a child who is an Aspie, and I'd still have a baby with him knowing that. There are many many wonderful things about Aspies, and anyone who would be willing to abort a baby just on the possibility that he or she might be one is really ignorant. I am so sorry you had to experience that.

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03 Jan 2012, 10:13 pm

I would not abort a baby (as several here have also stated).

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03 Jan 2012, 10:30 pm

I support abortion on demand. No-one should have a child they don't want. Even if their reasons for not wanting that child don't seem valid to you, you're not the one who's carrying the foetus.

I don't know whether I would abort a baby in xyz situation because I've never been in that situation yet. Since I don't want children at all, I suspect abortion would be a likely choice, but I can't say,

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03 Jan 2012, 10:43 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Circle989898 wrote:

whats so bad about Autism?

Uh maybe they can end up low functioning they be able to take care of themselves and express themselves. Have you seen severe autism?

It's human nature to want a perfect child. I am betting that lot of parents would have had an abortion if they knew how their kid would have turned out but they are not going to admit it. Heck lot of parents wish if they could do it over again, they would never have kids, NT or not. Even parents of NT kids are stressed out and miserable but my husband thinks those people are in the minority. I read in a childfree blog that a study was done in the 1970's and 70% said they would never had kids if they could do it over again. That is a lot. It's even all over tru mom confessions and you can even google "I hate being a mom."

I say this without a hint of sarcasm: I love the way you accept reality. It's very refreshing.

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03 Jan 2012, 10:47 pm

RandyMeeksPsychoFan wrote:

Not sure. If I discovered it was Aspergian I would probably abort it though purely because I wish every day that this had happened to me. At least neuerotypicals and designed for this world, even if they can be frustrating.
Sorry if this offends anyone.

I don't wish I had been aborted, but I do think my mother would've been well within her rights to have done so.

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03 Jan 2012, 11:51 pm

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"My baby doesn't have blue eyes, I only want babies with blue eyes, I'm gonna abort this one so I can try again." "My baby doesn't have wings, so he won't be able to fly, I'm gonna abort him as a baby who can't fly might not be as happy as a baby who can. "

I say you have control over your own body, which is abortions are usually unneeded: It's extremely easy to avoid getting pregnant if you have control over your body. From the control of own body aspect, the only acceptable abortions would be self-abortions, you can go risk accidentally destroying your own body if you want to get rid of a baby. Clinical abortions are a clinical operation, so it's a step above it just being about the person's body. You can't just walk into a hospital and ask for morphine as it's your body and you can do what you want with it, or ask for them to remove your pancreas for no good reason and live entirely off of insulin injections. Another thing with abortions is that it actually ISN'T your body that is the heart of the matter; it's the babies body. I say abortions should be allowed, but only in certain cases such as rape or pregancies that would kill the mother.

Also regarding quality of life, should black people not have babies as their child might not be as happy as a white children because of racism?

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04 Jan 2012, 12:46 am

Personally, I believe abortion should be an option. Parents who would get abortions are not mentally ready to take care of a child, and the adoption/foster care system is beyond crap here in the US. Hurtful as it is, I would not want to be the child with asperger's being raised by that woman. Someone so horribly insensitive shouldn't be raising a child who will already be struggling with their peers.

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04 Jan 2012, 1:28 am

Her body, her choice. Though if you're a bad role model to begin with, then why are you having a child then?

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04 Jan 2012, 3:41 am

Callista wrote:

If I were pregnant and the child had anencephaly, I think I'd do the same this mom did--carry the baby to term, spend as much time with the child as I could, even if it was only minutes or hours. It seems cruel to deprive a child with such a severe disability of the short lifetime that the child could have had. It feels like taking a man's last loaf of bread because he'll just starve anyway after he eats it. I mean, yeah, it's true; the child is going to die; without a brain nobody can live long. But we're all going to die. Just because an anencephalic infant dies much sooner than everybody else doesn't mean that there's no value in the life that's possible. If my child were going to die, I would want him to be warm and safe and loved for however long he had. Abortion would mean throwing away some of that precious time; and I just couldn't do that. When life is so fragile and short, my impulse is to protect it--to make every moment count.

I agree maternal instincts or not. I also believe you shouldn't give up all hope either.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... ly_normal/
If the women aborted her child early on she wouldn't have know how much healthier her daughter is today.

Where I stand on abortion is if your stupid enough to have unprotected sex you should take responsibility for creating a life. If your raped on the other hand I think it's fair to have an abortion ASAP. I also wouldn't necessarily abort if I found out there was something wrong with my baby, and definitely not if it was NT. But I might not have children anyways because of my AS, I feel I wouldn't make a great mom. That and the thought of something growing inside my body I find terrifying and unappealing. I also know for a fact that I don't have the same nurturing instincts most women naturally have. My best bet is to get fixed so that getting pregnant doesn't become an issue because I don't think abortion would be an option, unless I was raped or something.

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04 Jan 2012, 11:29 am

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puddingmouse wrote:

Those are stupid attitudes, but if anyone had them (unlikely) they should be allowed to abort purely for the future child's sake. People who think like that shouldn't be allowed to have children, but we can't forcibly sterilise them, so letting them abort is the lesser of two evils. I think this way because I don't consider a foetus a human being and I also think the world is horribly overcrowded. I realise that if you think the opposite, the whole argument falls apart, so there is no point in arguing it.

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I say you have control over your own body, which is abortions are usually unneeded: It's extremely easy to avoid getting pregnant if you have control over your body. From the control of own body aspect, the only acceptable abortions would be self-abortions, you can go risk accidentally destroying your own body if you want to get rid of a baby. Clinical abortions are a clinical operation, so it's a step above it just being about the person's body. You can't just walk into a hospital and ask for morphine as it's your body and you can do what you want with it, or ask for them to remove your pancreas for no good reason and live entirely off of insulin injections. Another thing with abortions is that it actually ISN'T your body that is the heart of the matter; it's the babies body. I say abortions should be allowed, but only in certain cases such as rape or pregancies that would kill the mother.

You are more likely to harm your body by carrying a baby to term and much more likely to destroy your mind by carrying a baby to term that you desperately don't want. Pregnancy puts a huge strain on the body and is more dangerous than having a clinical abortion, especially at the early stages of gestation. IMO, the baby has no body because it's not a baby yet - it's a foetus. You think differently, so we can't agree, ever.

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Also regarding quality of life, should black people not have babies as their child might not be as happy as a white children because of racism?

I think AS is a real impairment and not a benign difference. Being black isn't an impairment. If you don't think AS is a disability, we will never agree, ever.

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04 Jan 2012, 11:29 am

Angel_ryan wrote:

Callista wrote:

...what is that article? I want to more know about what happened there, from a MEDICAL stand point.

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04 Jan 2012, 11:54 am

The pudding is right. If abortion is legal no one but the mother is responsible.

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04 Jan 2012, 11:58 am

That baby didn't have anencephaly. When they have that not only is most of the brain gone but a lot of the skull is missing too. In the picture her skull looked pretty intact to me. She was probably misdiagnosed.

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04 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm

Ganondox wrote:

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Yes, it's the baby's body but the baby's body is in the mothers body. That's the issue right there. If there were a way to remove the baby without harming it and allow it to still grow and mature, that would be ideal and there wouldn't be abortion. The problem is that when something or someone, is in someone else's body, they have the right to remove it. Even if it would kill it.

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04 Jan 2012, 12:15 pm

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