Why do so many people on here hate NT's?

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10 Jan 2012, 10:43 am

I don't hate NTs at all...I'm on very good terms with several of them. I know I'm in the minority here, but to me, people are just...you know, people. I don't really see people as this thing or that.

However, I can understand why some people feel about NTs the way they do, and that's totally fine. That's their perogative...they have the right to feel as they do, whether it's from bad experiences or what. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions.

I'm actually mostly NT with traits of AS, so perhaps I can see things from both perspectives...up to a point, that is. All I know is that I take great care to treat people as equals...you know what I mean?

Apologies in advance if I offended anybody...that was not my intent. :oops:


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10 Jan 2012, 12:15 pm

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Of COURSE everyone doesn't, but there's a higher number than I'm comfortable with. I'm not NT myself but it's just awful seeing Anti-NT posts on here. It just seems like a lot of people are trying to make themselves feel better than others. It's just not right. And then there are the people who will hate me BECAUSE I don't hate NT's and then....Idk I'm just saying, acting like that just makes everything worse. No ones going to think we're cool and not dangerous or dumb if we as a group keep on like this. Who else agrees with me?


All too often we get the feeling that some NT's hate us, or something close to it. Autism Speaks, with its aim of thrusting a cure on us without earning our trust first, is one NT organization that provokes such a sentiment. Or is their real aim to use eugenics to breed autistic traits out of the population, no matter what collateral damage may be done?



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10 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm

Phonic wrote:
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I think that when a lot of people here (including me) talk about "NTs" they're referring to "normal people" rather than all non-aspies, because that's clearly what the term suggests. There are plenty of non-autistic folk that are far less "neurologically typical" than most aspies, so I think that if we're going to have a term to refer to all non-ASD types then we should really use something less demeaning.


I don't use NT to refer to all non-autistic people, but I fail to see how "NT" is demeaning.


I believe you're a minority.

Agree?
Disagree. How is "NT" demeaning"?



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10 Jan 2012, 3:23 pm

Because the mamallian part of the brain (that ironically is probably underdevolped in aspsies) responsible for xenophobia, makes nt's view us on a subconscious level as a threat.

Something weird, unusual or alien to them... this can bring out the worst in even decent people, because a primal part of them is afraid. It may not be direct bullying, just a slight snarky comment, but after a few decades, all the disrespect adds up.

And with a lot of negative memories accumulated, perhaps some of us find it very difficult to be better than the NTs, by avoiding insulting them in our private corner of the world.

Is that fair? I think that's fair.



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10 Jan 2012, 3:48 pm

Phonic wrote:
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Phonic wrote:
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I think that when a lot of people here (including me) talk about "NTs" they're referring to "normal people" rather than all non-aspies, because that's clearly what the term suggests. There are plenty of non-autistic folk that are far less "neurologically typical" than most aspies, so I think that if we're going to have a term to refer to all non-ASD types then we should really use something less demeaning.


I don't use NT to refer to all non-autistic people, but I fail to see how "NT" is demeaning.


I believe you're a minority.

Agree?


and you are an nt, thus why the reaction is not surprising.


Bolded the words I was refering to, if you missunderstood me

My mental health status has no bearing on my opinion.


and that's what i meant you are one of their kind and thus will not use the term. typical.


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10 Jan 2012, 3:52 pm

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NT does NOT just refer to people who are not autistic. It refers to people who are not diagnosed with a neurological condition, therefore making them neurotypical.

If you look at sites for other neurological conditions outside of autism, they use the term NT as well. It's not the property of the autism community and it has a specific meaning which many people here seem to forget.


exactly, and all nts whether they accept it or not view us, the ones who are handicaped in any way as lesser then them.

basicly there are two general groups of people, the ones who have a mental condition and those that don't.


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10 Jan 2012, 4:47 pm

Jetfox wrote:
exactly, and all nts whether they accept it or not view us, the ones who are handicaped in any way as lesser then them.

basicly there are two general groups of people, the ones who have a mental condition and those that don't.

So what is it with the term NT that you guys dislike? It can't be the term itself, since it basically means "neurologically normal", so is it the fact that a minority dared to name you as a group? We have been named, and none of us are finding the terms "autistic" or "asperger's" insulting, even though they describe what NTs view as a symbol of social inferiority....We don't get all emotional about that do we.... Imagine if we had the same kind of emotional reactions NTs do, after years of bullying and rejection.....We'd be blowing the planet up :lol:
It's always complicated to discuss anything with NTs I guess, that's not a basis for hatred but I can understand a lack of interest for trying.



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13 Jan 2012, 3:36 am

Well, I don't hate ALL NT's I just hate the ones that bully me. There are some NT's I know that are very nice, that I am friends with.


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13 Jan 2012, 5:58 am

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If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.


I checked the forum you mentioned, unfortunately you are right, the NT spouses blame all their problems on their AS partner/spouse.


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13 Jan 2012, 1:36 pm

Shadi2 wrote:
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If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.


I checked the forum you mentioned, unfortunately you are right, the NT spouses blame all their problems on their AS partner/spouse.


Forgive my ignorance, but what's a Delphi forum?


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13 Jan 2012, 1:44 pm

It's another website that hosts forums and any forums there is called a Delphi forum. Google it. :D



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13 Jan 2012, 4:30 pm

Shadi2 wrote:
Sagroth wrote:
If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.


I checked the forum you mentioned, unfortunately you are right, the NT spouses blame all their problems on their AS partner/spouse.

Ba-dum-tsshhh!



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14 Jan 2012, 3:37 am

LtlPinkCoupe wrote:
Shadi2 wrote:
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If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.


I checked the forum you mentioned, unfortunately you are right, the NT spouses blame all their problems on their AS partner/spouse.


Forgive my ignorance, but what's a Delphi forum?


They have many forums there, here is a link, the first link I see is the one for AS partners, thats the one I checked

Delphi Forums


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14 Jan 2012, 4:28 am

Phonic wrote:
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I think that when a lot of people here (including me) talk about "NTs" they're referring to "normal people" rather than all non-aspies, because that's clearly what the term suggests. There are plenty of non-autistic folk that are far less "neurologically typical" than most aspies, so I think that if we're going to have a term to refer to all non-ASD types then we should really use something less demeaning.


I don't use NT to refer to all non-autistic people, but I fail to see how "NT" is demeaning.


I believe you're a minority.

Agree?


Perhaps on this forum. Neurodiversity goes beyond this forum, however.

This is what's wrong with the idea of neurodiversity as simply referring to autistic people, however: You end up with "Autistics are neuroatypical" and "everyone else is neurotypical." It doesn't acknowledge neurodiversity, it simply positions autistic people as the only kind of neurology that is atypical.

Is schizophrenia in any way a typical neurology? If it is not, why would you be NT?



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13 Jul 2012, 12:16 pm

i agree with Phonic some people shouldnt put there stupid ideas but supernatural crap on here .... really.. what a bunch of crazies



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13 Jul 2012, 12:41 pm

Try to remember that some people are just starting to deal with their diagnosis, or they're surrounded by at least a few judgemental people.
That kind of judgement is taught, and is often a reflexive defense people use for their own insecurities.

There's nothing like a shrink confirming that you're atypical brainwise to make a person defensive and somewhat insecure.

Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the darkside. etc.

Some people need to stew in hate and anger for a while before they learn to let things go and be a bit more forgiving of their and other's faults. And some people get constantly picked on by what are called "NT" types.

We only get a small window into people's worldview and reality here. Reserve judgement and copiously offer understanding to everyone you meet.
Anyone you see using "NT" as a pejorative is probably more in need of your ear than your razor wit.