15 Jan 2013, 12:30 pm
Anomiel wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Am an aspie. I had basically no friends until I was 18, and then I bonded with the socially deviant folks. The result being that I am one of the few people I know who both HAS smoked pot (and even smoked crack) but has never touched a cigarette.
Let's hear it for the deviants!
I smoke. I don't enjoy it that much anymore and would switch to e-cigs if I weren't so concerned about the chemicals... Saw that there are some e-cig smokers here so if you have any info I'd like to be convinced
Smoking doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Most people start when they are too young to think about the consequences, and not all start due to peer-pressure. It's (kind of) an anxiolytic too.
I've read why they say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is because most people prefer small continuous doses of things throughout the day, and not a few hits that knock you out. Not that the withdrawal is harder. Oh my god, anyone that would actually say that needs to be punched. Sometimes the "more addictive" angle gets turned into "harder to kick" by people (and newspapers/magazines) not knowing the difference. I don't know if I believe it, but it had some good scientific reasoning behind it. Too tired to find it right now though. But comparing addictions is not a good idea at all to begin with.
There was a study done by the FDA a long time ago using sh***y chinese ecigs with questionable liquid. The study has long been exposed as a reefer madness type hit job on e cigs. There have been numerous unbiased studies over the years analyzing many different e cigs and liquids and they have not found the same chemicals as the FDA hit job.
Tobacco lobbyist have a lot of influence over politics and I suspect they were responsible for trying to make e cigs illegal from the start. Even with the chemicals the FDA found it is still safer than burning tobacco. There have been thousands of pets that have died in this country because of contaminated chinese dog food, it doesn't mean all dog food is unsafe, but if the contaminated dog food is the only one you test it might appear that all dog food is unsafe.
As far as heroin and tobacco... Tobacco won't kill you if you try to quit so I don't know how tobacco is more addictive than cigarettes. If I had to steal from family in order to supply my tobacco habit I would quit. If I thought I was going to die if I don't get a fix of heroin I would probably steal from family or knock over a few liquor stores. I totally agree with you, tabacco and heroin are in completely different leagues and addictions should not be compared. Another example would be the comparison of heroin and marijuana that the government does through their drug schedule system. One of the reasons why they are losing their war on drugs, nobody takes them seriously.
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I was at my most productive at work back when I smoked. I've quit, been many years, but smoking definitely helped me get work done and concentrate. I miss it and reading the thread makes me want to smoke. 
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15 Jan 2013, 1:09 pm
15 Jan 2013, 1:30 pm
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Am an aspie. I had basically no friends until I was 18, and then I bonded with the socially deviant folks. The result being that I am one of the few people I know who both HAS smoked pot (and even smoked crack) but has never touched a cigarette.
Let's hear it for the deviants!
I smoke. I don't enjoy it that much anymore and would switch to e-cigs if I weren't so concerned about the chemicals... Saw that there are some e-cig smokers here so if you have any info I'd like to be convinced
Smoking doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Most people start when they are too young to think about the consequences, and not all start due to peer-pressure. It's (kind of) an anxiolytic too.
I've read why they say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is because most people prefer small continuous doses of things throughout the day, and not a few hits that knock you out. Not that the withdrawal is harder. Oh my god, anyone that would actually say that needs to be punched. Sometimes the "more addictive" angle gets turned into "harder to kick" by people (and newspapers/magazines) not knowing the difference. I don't know if I believe it, but it had some good scientific reasoning behind it. Too tired to find it right now though. But comparing addictions is not a good idea at all to begin with.
There was a study done by the FDA a long time ago using sh***y chinese ecigs with questionable liquid. The study has long been exposed as a reefer madness type hit job on e cigs. There have been numerous unbiased studies over the years analyzing many different e cigs and liquids and they have not found the same chemicals as the FDA hit job.
Tobacco lobbyist have a lot of influence over politics and I suspect they were responsible for trying to make e cigs illegal from the start. Even with the chemicals the FDA found it is still safer than burning tobacco. There have been thousands of pets that have died in this country because of contaminated chinese dog food, it doesn't mean all dog food is unsafe, but if the contaminated dog food is the only one you test it might appear that all dog food is unsafe.
As far as heroin and tobacco... Tobacco won't kill you if you try to quit so I don't know how tobacco is more addictive than cigarettes. If I had to steal from family in order to supply my tobacco habit I would quit. If I thought I was going to die if I don't get a fix of heroin I would probably steal from family or knock over a few liquor stores. I totally agree with you, tabacco and heroin are in completely different leagues and addictions should not be compared. Another example would be the comparison of heroin and marijuana that the government does through their drug schedule system. One of the reasons why they are losing their war on drugs, nobody takes them seriously.
I said "addictive" as in first causing psychological addiction more readily according to some, because of most peoples preferences (which I found interesting) and something something neurological, not being a reason for continuing addiction or harder to quit.
yeah quitting cigs don't cause you to feel like someone ripped the skin of you, then started stomping on you and hooked you up to a live wire while you're quite sure that you're dying of a bio-weapon grade strain of flu. I just brought it up because I saw people talking of that connection already and it comes up much all over the internet. The thing about comparing weed to opiates is ridiculous, yes. They would get more supporters if they used facts and not scare-tactics.
I'd much rather talk about e-cigs though. You seem to think I've read that study and agree with it, why? I asked for actual information because I'd like to read some articles about it picked by someone that actually smokes it. Now I know which study to avoid, anyway.
15 Jan 2013, 1:33 pm
15 Jan 2013, 2:20 pm
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15 Jan 2013, 3:48 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't know what that madness earlier in the thread is about being sick of smoking and such
It shouldn't surprise you that there are many people who smoke that are sick of it. "Quitting smoking" wouldn't be such a big industry if everyone that smoked loved it.
Living longer?
And doing without lung cancer and emphysema? What sane person would want THAT?
Madness indeed!
Lol!
who says I'm a sane person....
15 Jan 2013, 4:03 pm
Anomiel wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Am an aspie. I had basically no friends until I was 18, and then I bonded with the socially deviant folks. The result being that I am one of the few people I know who both HAS smoked pot (and even smoked crack) but has never touched a cigarette.
Let's hear it for the deviants!
I smoke. I don't enjoy it that much anymore and would switch to e-cigs if I weren't so concerned about the chemicals... Saw that there are some e-cig smokers here so if you have any info I'd like to be convinced
Smoking doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Most people start when they are too young to think about the consequences, and not all start due to peer-pressure. It's (kind of) an anxiolytic too.
I've read why they say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is because most people prefer small continuous doses of things throughout the day, and not a few hits that knock you out. Not that the withdrawal is harder. Oh my god, anyone that would actually say that needs to be punched. Sometimes the "more addictive" angle gets turned into "harder to kick" by people (and newspapers/magazines) not knowing the difference. I don't know if I believe it, but it had some good scientific reasoning behind it. Too tired to find it right now though. But comparing addictions is not a good idea at all to begin with.
There was a study done by the FDA a long time ago using sh***y chinese ecigs with questionable liquid. The study has long been exposed as a reefer madness type hit job on e cigs. There have been numerous unbiased studies over the years analyzing many different e cigs and liquids and they have not found the same chemicals as the FDA hit job.
Tobacco lobbyist have a lot of influence over politics and I suspect they were responsible for trying to make e cigs illegal from the start. Even with the chemicals the FDA found it is still safer than burning tobacco. There have been thousands of pets that have died in this country because of contaminated chinese dog food, it doesn't mean all dog food is unsafe, but if the contaminated dog food is the only one you test it might appear that all dog food is unsafe.
As far as heroin and tobacco... Tobacco won't kill you if you try to quit so I don't know how tobacco is more addictive than cigarettes. If I had to steal from family in order to supply my tobacco habit I would quit. If I thought I was going to die if I don't get a fix of heroin I would probably steal from family or knock over a few liquor stores. I totally agree with you, tabacco and heroin are in completely different leagues and addictions should not be compared. Another example would be the comparison of heroin and marijuana that the government does through their drug schedule system. One of the reasons why they are losing their war on drugs, nobody takes them seriously.
I said "addictive" as in first causing psychological addiction more readily according to some, because of most peoples preferences (which I found interesting) and something something neurological, not being a reason for continuing addiction or harder to quit.
yeah quitting cigs don't cause you to feel like someone ripped the skin of you, then started stomping on you and hooked you up to a live wire while you're quite sure that you're dying of a bio-weapon grade strain of flu. I just brought it up because I saw people talking of that connection already and it comes up much all over the internet. The thing about comparing weed to opiates is ridiculous, yes. They would get more supporters if they used facts and not scare-tactics.I'd much rather talk about e-cigs though. You seem to think I've read that study and agree with it, why? I asked for actual information because I'd like to read some articles about it picked by someone that actually smokes it. Now I know which study to avoid, anyway.
I didn't think you read it but I see it used by anti-ecig people all the time. It's become sort of an urban legend and you see s**t about ecigs having dangerous chemical all over the internet and people have forgotten the source. I'm just saying most of the misinformation originated with this study. If you go back and read what I said again you'll see that I never implied that you read it or agree with it. I'm just pointing out the source.
15 Jan 2013, 7:35 pm
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Am an aspie. I had basically no friends until I was 18, and then I bonded with the socially deviant folks. The result being that I am one of the few people I know who both HAS smoked pot (and even smoked crack) but has never touched a cigarette.
Let's hear it for the deviants!
I smoke. I don't enjoy it that much anymore and would switch to e-cigs if I weren't so concerned about the chemicals... Saw that there are some e-cig smokers here so if you have any info I'd like to be convinced
Smoking doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Most people start when they are too young to think about the consequences, and not all start due to peer-pressure. It's (kind of) an anxiolytic too.
I've read why they say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is because most people prefer small continuous doses of things throughout the day, and not a few hits that knock you out. Not that the withdrawal is harder. Oh my god, anyone that would actually say that needs to be punched. Sometimes the "more addictive" angle gets turned into "harder to kick" by people (and newspapers/magazines) not knowing the difference. I don't know if I believe it, but it had some good scientific reasoning behind it. Too tired to find it right now though. But comparing addictions is not a good idea at all to begin with.
There was a study done by the FDA a long time ago using sh***y chinese ecigs with questionable liquid. The study has long been exposed as a reefer madness type hit job on e cigs. There have been numerous unbiased studies over the years analyzing many different e cigs and liquids and they have not found the same chemicals as the FDA hit job.
Tobacco lobbyist have a lot of influence over politics and I suspect they were responsible for trying to make e cigs illegal from the start. Even with the chemicals the FDA found it is still safer than burning tobacco. There have been thousands of pets that have died in this country because of contaminated chinese dog food, it doesn't mean all dog food is unsafe, but if the contaminated dog food is the only one you test it might appear that all dog food is unsafe.
As far as heroin and tobacco... Tobacco won't kill you if you try to quit so I don't know how tobacco is more addictive than cigarettes. If I had to steal from family in order to supply my tobacco habit I would quit. If I thought I was going to die if I don't get a fix of heroin I would probably steal from family or knock over a few liquor stores. I totally agree with you, tabacco and heroin are in completely different leagues and addictions should not be compared. Another example would be the comparison of heroin and marijuana that the government does through their drug schedule system. One of the reasons why they are losing their war on drugs, nobody takes them seriously.
I said "addictive" as in first causing psychological addiction more readily according to some, because of most peoples preferences (which I found interesting) and something something neurological, not being a reason for continuing addiction or harder to quit.
yeah quitting cigs don't cause you to feel like someone ripped the skin of you, then started stomping on you and hooked you up to a live wire while you're quite sure that you're dying of a bio-weapon grade strain of flu. I just brought it up because I saw people talking of that connection already and it comes up much all over the internet. The thing about comparing weed to opiates is ridiculous, yes. They would get more supporters if they used facts and not scare-tactics.I'd much rather talk about e-cigs though. You seem to think I've read that study and agree with it, why? I asked for actual information because I'd like to read some articles about it picked by someone that actually smokes it. Now I know which study to avoid, anyway.
I didn't think you read it but I see it used by anti-ecig people all the time. It's become sort of an urban legend and you see sh** about ecigs having dangerous chemical all over the internet and people have forgotten the source. I'm just saying most of the misinformation originated with this study. If you go back and read what I said again you'll see that I never implied that you read it or agree with it. I'm just pointing out the source.
Yeah I can see how you would react like that by criticism of something you obs care about. I like outrage. Just too tired for that right now, even if it wasn't directed against me. Recommend the e-cig model you think is best?
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15 Jan 2013, 7:57 pm
15 Jan 2013, 8:24 pm
Anomiel wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Am an aspie. I had basically no friends until I was 18, and then I bonded with the socially deviant folks. The result being that I am one of the few people I know who both HAS smoked pot (and even smoked crack) but has never touched a cigarette.
Let's hear it for the deviants!
I smoke. I don't enjoy it that much anymore and would switch to e-cigs if I weren't so concerned about the chemicals... Saw that there are some e-cig smokers here so if you have any info I'd like to be convinced
Smoking doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Most people start when they are too young to think about the consequences, and not all start due to peer-pressure. It's (kind of) an anxiolytic too.
I've read why they say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is because most people prefer small continuous doses of things throughout the day, and not a few hits that knock you out. Not that the withdrawal is harder. Oh my god, anyone that would actually say that needs to be punched. Sometimes the "more addictive" angle gets turned into "harder to kick" by people (and newspapers/magazines) not knowing the difference. I don't know if I believe it, but it had some good scientific reasoning behind it. Too tired to find it right now though. But comparing addictions is not a good idea at all to begin with.
There was a study done by the FDA a long time ago using sh***y chinese ecigs with questionable liquid. The study has long been exposed as a reefer madness type hit job on e cigs. There have been numerous unbiased studies over the years analyzing many different e cigs and liquids and they have not found the same chemicals as the FDA hit job.
Tobacco lobbyist have a lot of influence over politics and I suspect they were responsible for trying to make e cigs illegal from the start. Even with the chemicals the FDA found it is still safer than burning tobacco. There have been thousands of pets that have died in this country because of contaminated chinese dog food, it doesn't mean all dog food is unsafe, but if the contaminated dog food is the only one you test it might appear that all dog food is unsafe.
As far as heroin and tobacco... Tobacco won't kill you if you try to quit so I don't know how tobacco is more addictive than cigarettes. If I had to steal from family in order to supply my tobacco habit I would quit. If I thought I was going to die if I don't get a fix of heroin I would probably steal from family or knock over a few liquor stores. I totally agree with you, tabacco and heroin are in completely different leagues and addictions should not be compared. Another example would be the comparison of heroin and marijuana that the government does through their drug schedule system. One of the reasons why they are losing their war on drugs, nobody takes them seriously.
I said "addictive" as in first causing psychological addiction more readily according to some, because of most peoples preferences (which I found interesting) and something something neurological, not being a reason for continuing addiction or harder to quit.
yeah quitting cigs don't cause you to feel like someone ripped the skin of you, then started stomping on you and hooked you up to a live wire while you're quite sure that you're dying of a bio-weapon grade strain of flu. I just brought it up because I saw people talking of that connection already and it comes up much all over the internet. The thing about comparing weed to opiates is ridiculous, yes. They would get more supporters if they used facts and not scare-tactics.I'd much rather talk about e-cigs though. You seem to think I've read that study and agree with it, why? I asked for actual information because I'd like to read some articles about it picked by someone that actually smokes it. Now I know which study to avoid, anyway.
I didn't think you read it but I see it used by anti-ecig people all the time. It's become sort of an urban legend and you see sh** about ecigs having dangerous chemical all over the internet and people have forgotten the source. I'm just saying most of the misinformation originated with this study. If you go back and read what I said again you'll see that I never implied that you read it or agree with it. I'm just pointing out the source.
Yeah I can see how you would react like that by criticism of something you obs care about. I like outrage. Just too tired for that right now, even if it wasn't directed against me. Recommend the e-cig model you think is best?
No that wasn't outrage. I was just telling you how it is. There are a lot more *'s when I'm outraged.
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