Thinking in Pictures as Opposed to God Knows What Other Way
HOLY CRAP! I just realized something!
When I write song lyrics, with the exception of Ballads (songs that tell a story), the process is exactly the opposite! It took me a long time to figure out how to do this, because it doesn't come naturally. Imagery is extremely important in songs, but the words can actually be far more important. If you want good cadence and rhyming, choice of words can often supersede the imagery. If I have an image in mind I want to portray, but can't figure out a way to word it in a way that keeps to a particular cadence and rhyming scheme, I have to dump the idea for the image in favor of words that work for the song.
I had to learn to THINK verbally first, then try to manipulate the words to form some sort of imagery scheme that makes sense along with the rest of the song. This explains why and how a song can start out meaning one thing, but in the end have a totally different meaning. I write songs with real meaning by the way. I refuse to write imagery even I have no explanation for.
If I hadn't developed the "talking while working" thing, long before I started writing songs, I don't think I ever would have been able to write a decent song. I think it's that practice that's enabled me to work out a way of thinking that is really the opposite process from how I normally think.
Songwriting is the only process I can think of during which I actually work primarily verbally rather than in images, but the images are still important. Without a doubt it's much more of a challenging process for me to come up with words that not only work with cadence and rhyme schemes, but also form imagery that fits with an overall concept for the song, than it is to work on other processes. It's hard as hell, so that's got me wondering why I'm so driven to do it.
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Would you call this verbal thinking or phonological thinking? I do something similar to what you do, and what I am trying to do is fit eberrything, visuals and meanings to the sounds, phonetics being critical, verry merry berry.
Would you call this verbal thinking or phonological thinking? I do something similar to what you do, and what I am trying to do is fit eberrything, visuals and meanings to the sounds, phonetics being critical, verry merry berry.
Cross posted. See my last post. ^^^^
Verbal, definitely. It's about the words and strings of words meanings. That's most of the time for me, but phonology does also play a very important part of my song writing, of course. It has to.
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I think that autistics think more using direct sensory perceptions or the equivalents that one generates in one's head, whether those are eye units or ear units or nose/mouth/skin units. Verbal thinking is good to layer on top of that for to communicate to others and keep as zip file in own head for to deploy out of zip file when needed, like space saver machine in space saver machine commercials, with the large amounts of clothing and bedding inside those plastic bags with all the air sucked out, and the fabrics cannot connect to each other in 3D arrangments and play.
When I write songs, I manipulate a combination of meaning and sound as well, with more emphasis on sound, so picking words and meanings to fit the sounds that I want.
When I write songs, I manipulate a combination of meaning and sound as well, with more emphasis on sound, so picking words and meanings to fit the sounds that I want.
Trouble with my zip files is that they're so compressed when they're unzipped they'll blow up your entire machine!
Just look at some of my more lengthy posts.
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What happens in my mind is it can be different for different things. if its location / physical orientated I think of it as a picture but if its a question and need more thought it's like i run it through a "tree diagram" such as if I do this then these things might happen against other options and supposed results. or if it's a question I don't know the answer of I go to the next closest thing I know of and guess off that answer. kind of too complicated to write in one post :p
The mind is a complicated thing which I think is pointless to try and find how we think of things or write them down. Its like the article where scientists say it's like a search engine where one word can trigger multiple memories at once. like the word "school" :p kinda like Google 0_0
I had one of these moments again today where a thought can be so disturbing, because you can visualize a certain situation so well, that it messes with your movements and your mood.
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"It's how they see things. It's a way of bringing class to an environment, and I say that pejoratively because, obviously, good music is good music however it's created, however it's motivated." - Thomas Newman
If i am reading i may have thoughts in a word form like reading a text book but more often it translates into images in that its how i read. i read very fast but i dont see words or sentences in mind but rather the words create in my mind a movie that is the novel. so in that sense all books are the same as movies in my mind and i just need suitable background music for it.
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When I write songs, I manipulate a combination of meaning and sound as well, with more emphasis on sound, so picking words and meanings to fit the sounds that I want.
I disagree... we cannot make a blanket statement on this... There are several in this thread that have stated that they un-equivocally, are verbal thinkers. So, making a statement that "autistics think more using direct sensory perceptions" is ignoring the evidence presented.
HOWEVER... I have a theory... That our thought forms may be governed by our "Special interests." For instance, My special interests are creative in nature and almost exclusively based in writing: Novels, essays, scripts and the like. Even film making is very much about language and its use to convey your thoughts and directions.
I am wondering if the same is true for everyone else... That whether you are a visual, verbal or other form of thinker is tied inextricably to your special interests. I am not saying that one begets the other, but that it is a symbiotic relationship between the two.
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What other way of thinking is there? I think in stills, going to the grocery store is seeing a pic of the oranges right by the entrance for example and part of the floor, going to sleep, I see my bed in darkness and so on. Am I misunderstanding something? How else can people think?
I also think in thoughts I guess, that's when I am trying to "think hard" in order to make an important decision, then I force myself to verbalize my thoughts inside my head and I see pics accompanying each sentence and the process is relatively slow in comparison to normal image thinking and it becomes easier if I talk out lout to myself and take notes.
I also think in what I call thought packages, I don't think in sentences, I don't see anything, I just feel this thing, it's like a UPS delivery of an impression, it is very hard to explain, it is just feelings that feel right, and I feel them inside my body, and due to having synesthesia, I feel a motion in my body and I see a colour, and I hear a sound, and I understand what it means instantly rather than rationalizing in phrases and pictures etc
I do see synesthetic impressions of thoughts also, just "paintings" of patterns instead of any other form of thought. I thought everyone did this? Is it uncommon?
So basically, am I misunderstanding the whole thinking in images thing that she was talking about or how do other people think? Do they think in words? Do they hear the words as thoughts? Do they see nothing in their minds? If so, how can they remember everything they thought of? It must be exhausting to think in long paragraphs and to have to remember everything in order to come to a conclusion.
Also if I am talking and I stop and concentrate on actually talking, it is as if I am reading phrases when I talk. Do other people read "mental transcripts" when they talk? I don't mean that every time I am talking I have to look inside my mind's eye and read, but if I am consciously concentrating on talking, I see a typed page and I read it out loud.
Thanx in advance for any responses! (for example now I saw a desk and a type writer and a hand and a cup and a pencil holder and the colour orange when I thought of the phrase "thanx in advance for any responses!")
This might as well had been written by me, I think exactly the same way as it is described there, I have synaesthesia and I completely understand what you mean.
Cool!!
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